Re: Help with Mac

[Alejandro Castera]

How kind of you, I thank you very much and I will take your advice, it will 
surely help me. I wish you all the best!

> El 15 abr 2024, a las 3:09 p.m., Maurits Lamers via LilyPond user discussion 
>  escribió:
> 
> Hi Alejandro,
> 
> The DMG was a way to quickly install Lilypond, but it came with a few 
> downsides.
> 
> The biggest one was that Lilypond was bundled as part of the LilyPad editor 
> app. This was what was started when you would doubleclick Lilypond.app. The 
> LilyPad editor was a very barebones editor, and as with every piece of 
> software it needed maintenance. That maintenance became problematic and 
> increasingly pointless when comparing the feature set of that editor with 
> something like Frescobaldi. 
> Additionally, in later versions of macOS, Apple started requiring signed 
> applications, for which you need a (paid) Apple Dev account.
> 
> Therefore, the decision was made to offer lilypond as a download in .zip 
> format (generic package), instead of a .dmg with a .app in it. Sadly it is 
> not as simple as copying over the contents of a .dmg, but the increased 
> strictness by Apple around signed applications is a major cause.
> 
> To install lilypond on a modern mac, you can follow these steps:
> 
> Download the generic package for macOS (lilypond-2.24.3 at the moment of 
> writing) from https://lilypond.org/download.html
> doubleclick on the downloaded zip file, to have the Archive Utility.app unzip 
> it.
> you will find a folder called "lilypond-2.24.3"
> move this folder to the Applications / Apps folder
> Check in System Preferences under Privacy and Security that your App security 
> setting is set to "App store and identified developers"
> open the lilypond-2.24.3 folder in the Applications folder, and open the bin 
> folder inside of that
> right click on the file called lilypond, and choose open
> macOS will prompt you with a warning that it cannot verify the identify of 
> the developer of 'lilypond' and whether you would like to open it or not.
> Choose open.
> Open the libexec folder and repeat step 7 to 9 with the files python3.10, gs 
> and convert-ly.
> Depending on which executables you need to use for your use case in addition 
> to the ones above, you might have to repeat step 7-9 for more executables in 
> the bin and/or libexec folder.
> Assuming you use Frescobaldi as editor, go to the settings in Frescobaldi and 
> add this lilypond version to the list of lilypond versions.
> Following these steps should make things work as expected (without requiring 
> any Terminal knowledge).
> 
> cheers
> 
> Maurits
> 
> Op 15-04-2024 om 22:22 schreef Alejandro Castera:
>> Good afternoon, community.
>> 
>> I've been using Lilypond on Mac for a long time, but for a few years now 
>> they haven't released a new version to install in DMG format. There are some 
>> packages to install via "ports" (which I haven't understood what they are) 
>> and using MacPorts or Homebrew (which I haven't understood how to use 
>> either). All this through the Terminal command line, which I don't 
>> understand how to use. For this reason, I am still using LilyPond version 
>> 2.20 because it was the last one installable as DMG. Please, if someone can 
>> guide me to install the latest version of LilyPond 2.24.3 because I have 
>> tried several times in different ways and have not succeeded. 
>> 
>> Please, LilyPond developers, we need a DMG installer because not all of us 
>> Mac musicians know the Terminal command line.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for your attention. 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 

Re: Help with Mac

[Alejandro Castera]

How kind of you, I thank you very much and I will take your advice, it will 
surely help me. I wish you all the best!

> El 15 abr 2024, a las 3:07 p.m., Carl Sorensen  
> escribió:
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 2:26 PM Alejandro Castera  > wrote:
>> Good afternoon, community.
>> 
>> I've been using Lilypond on Mac for a long time, but for a few years now 
>> they haven't released a new version to install in DMG format. There are some 
>> packages to install via "ports" (which I haven't understood what they are) 
>> and using MacPorts or Homebrew (which I haven't understood how to use 
>> either). All this through the Terminal command line, which I don't 
>> understand how to use. For this reason, I am still using LilyPond version 
>> 2.20 because it was the last one installable as DMG. Please, if someone can 
>> guide me to install the latest version of LilyPond 2.24.3 because I have 
>> tried several times in different ways and have not succeeded. 
>> 
>> Please, LilyPond developers, we need a DMG installer because not all of us 
>> Mac musicians know the Terminal command line.
> 
> Dear Alejandro,
> 
>  Due to Apple's policies on creating applications, there will not be any more 
> .DMG installs of LilyPond.
> 
> However, you can get LilyPond to work on your Mac without using the Terminal.
> 
> You will want to download Frescobaldi, which is available as a DMG.  
> https://www.frescobaldi.org/download
> 
> And then you will install LilyPond as an executable file.  We currently have 
> x86 applications that can be run even on Apple Silicon Macs, but will be a 
> bit slower than the native M1 build:  https://lilypond.org/development.html
> 
> We also have an M1 build available: https://cloud.hahnjo.de/s/x9D62eASSn6Ng7D
> 
> Once you have LilyPond installed, you will need to set the Lilypond 
> Preferences in Frescobaldi to point to your LilyPond executable.  Once you 
> have done that, you can use Frescobaldi to edit your lilypond files.  It's so 
> much better than the LilyPad editor that you will love it.
> 
> Detailed instructions for doing this are found in the Learning Manual: 
> https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/learning/graphical-setup-under-macos
> 
> You don't need to use the Terminal at all if you follow these instructions.
> 
> I hope this is helpful.
> 
> Carl Sorensen

Re: Help with Mac

[Maurits Lamers via LilyPond user discussion]

Hi Alejandro,

The DMG was a way to quickly install Lilypond, but it came with a few 
downsides.


The biggest one was that Lilypond was bundled as part of the LilyPad 
editor app. This was what was started when you would doubleclick 
Lilypond.app. The LilyPad editor was a very barebones editor, and as 
with every piece of software it needed maintenance. That maintenance 
became problematic and increasingly pointless when comparing the feature 
set of that editor with something like Frescobaldi.
Additionally, in later versions of macOS, Apple started requiring signed 
applications, for which you need a (paid) Apple Dev account.


Therefore, the decision was made to offer lilypond as a download in .zip 
format (generic package), instead of a .dmg with a .app in it. Sadly it 
is not as simple as copying over the contents of a .dmg, but the 
increased strictness by Apple around signed applications is a major cause.


To install lilypond on a modern mac, you can follow these steps:

1. Download the generic package for macOS (lilypond-2.24.3 at the
   moment of writing) from https://lilypond.org/download.html
2. doubleclick on the downloaded zip file, to have the Archive
   Utility.app unzip it.
3. you will find a folder called "lilypond-2.24.3"
4. move this folder to the Applications / Apps folder
5. Check in System Preferences under Privacy and Security that your App
   security setting is set to "App store and identified developers"
6. open the lilypond-2.24.3 folder in the Applications folder, and open
   the bin folder inside of that
7. right click on the file called lilypond, and choose open
8. macOS will prompt you with a warning that it cannot verify the
   identify of the developer of 'lilypond' and whether you would like
   to open it or not.
9. Choose open.
10. Open the libexec folder and repeat step 7 to 9 with the files
   python3.10, gs and convert-ly.
11. Depending on which executables you need to use for your use case in
   addition to the ones above, you might have to repeat step 7-9 for
   more executables in the bin and/or libexec folder.
12. Assuming you use Frescobaldi as editor, go to the settings in
   Frescobaldi and add this lilypond version to the list of lilypond
   versions.

Following these steps should make things work as expected (without 
requiring any Terminal knowledge).


cheers

Maurits

Op 15-04-2024 om 22:22 schreef Alejandro Castera:

Good afternoon, community.

I've been using Lilypond on Mac for a long time, but for a few years now they haven't 
released a new version to install in DMG format. There are some packages to install via 
"ports" (which I haven't understood what they are) and using MacPorts or 
Homebrew (which I haven't understood how to use either). All this through the Terminal 
command line, which I don't understand how to use. For this reason, I am still using 
LilyPond version 2.20 because it was the last one installable as DMG. Please, if someone 
can guide me to install the latest version of LilyPond 2.24.3 because I have tried 
several times in different ways and have not succeeded.

Please, LilyPond developers, we need a DMG installer because not all of us Mac 
musicians know the Terminal command line.

Thanks in advance for your attention.
Regards

Re: Help with Mac

[Carl Sorensen]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 2:26 PM Alejandro Castera 
wrote:

> Good afternoon, community.
>
> I've been using Lilypond on Mac for a long time, but for a few years now
> they haven't released a new version to install in DMG format. There are
> some packages to install via "ports" (which I haven't understood what they
> are) and using MacPorts or Homebrew (which I haven't understood how to use
> either). All this through the Terminal command line, which I don't
> understand how to use. For this reason, I am still using LilyPond version
> 2.20 because it was the last one installable as DMG. Please, if someone can
> guide me to install the latest version of LilyPond 2.24.3 because I have
> tried several times in different ways and have not succeeded.
>
> Please, LilyPond developers, we need a DMG installer because not all of us
> Mac musicians know the Terminal command line.
>

Dear Alejandro,

 Due to Apple's policies on creating applications, there will not be any
more .DMG installs of LilyPond.

However, you can get LilyPond to work on your Mac without using the
Terminal.

You will want to download Frescobaldi, which is available as a DMG.
https://www.frescobaldi.org/download

And then you will install LilyPond as an executable file.  We currently
have x86 applications that can be run even on Apple Silicon Macs, but will
be a bit slower than the native M1 build:
https://lilypond.org/development.html

We also have an M1 build available:
https://cloud.hahnjo.de/s/x9D62eASSn6Ng7D

Once you have LilyPond installed, you will need to set the Lilypond
Preferences in Frescobaldi to point to your LilyPond executable.  Once you
have done that, you can use Frescobaldi to edit your lilypond files.  It's
so much better than the LilyPad editor that you will love it.

Detailed instructions for doing this are found in the Learning Manual:
https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/learning/graphical-setup-under-macos

You don't need to use the Terminal at all if you follow these instructions.

I hope this is helpful.

Carl Sorensen