Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
- Original Message - From: Son_V vincenzo.a...@gmail.com To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:56 PM Subject: Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)? Well, I now include an image; I usually write a long underscore when there is something that lasts in a next syllable; like in the example, Sa -- cra -- men __ tum (here you can see what i mean in men __ tum, or to __que). I do not give trace about the syllable to be sung after cer -- nu -- i. The i http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n166284/Appunto_Tantum_ergo.jpg must be sung for the other three notes; is there a rule that says what should be done? I hope to have expressed myself in a comprehensible way. Thanks. I believe you are confusing the syntax for hyphens with that for extenders. Use 2 minus signs with a space either side for a hyphen (like -- but with no quote marks). Use two underscores for extenders __ . -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
Well, I now include an image; I usually write a long underscore when there is something that lasts in a next syllable; like in the example, Sa -- cra -- men __ tum (here you can see what i mean in men __ tum, or to __que). I do not give trace about the syllable to be sung after cer -- nu -- i. The i http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n166284/Appunto_Tantum_ergo.jpg must be sung for the other three notes; is there a rule that says what should be done? I hope to have expressed myself in a comprehensible way. Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/In-wait-for-a-subsequent-word-sorry-how-can-I-put-it-tp166204p166284.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
Yes, there is a rule. All of the places where you have used underscore, like er__go should be hyphens: er-go and the last words in both lines (cernui and jubilatio) should both end with an underscore that goes through the last note. Larry in Tampa On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Son_V vincenzo.a...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I now include an image; I usually write a long underscore when there is something that lasts in a next syllable; like in the example, Sa -- cra -- men __ tum (here you can see what i mean in men __ tum, or to __que). I do not give trace about the syllable to be sung after cer -- nu -- i. The i http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n166284/Appunto_Tantum_ergo.jpg must be sung for the other three notes; is there a rule that says what should be done? I hope to have expressed myself in a comprehensible way. Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/In-wait-for-a-subsequent-word-sorry-how-can-I-put-it-tp166204p166284.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
- Original Message -
From: Son_V vincenzo.a...@gmail.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 4:21 PM
Subject: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
Sorry for the uncomprehensible subject - the question: it's easy when you
have a word hyphenated between some notes - like San __ \skip4 ctus; but
if you have a word that's finished but must be sung for some other notes,
like ctus that must be sung for say other four notes, I usually leave no
__ or --; sometimes it can be misunderstooding. Is THERE A RULE FOR
THESE SITUATIONS, and how could eventually I make these signs appear?
Thanks.
You should generally add a lyric extender, like this:
\score {
\new Voice = one {
c''4 d'' c'' d'' e'' f'' e'' f''
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto one {
Sanc -- _ _ _ tus __ _ _ _
}
}
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Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
- Original Message -
From: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net
To: Son_V vincenzo.a...@gmail.com; lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
- Original Message -
From: Son_V vincenzo.a...@gmail.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 4:21 PM
Subject: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
Sorry for the uncomprehensible subject - the question: it's easy when you
have a word hyphenated between some notes - like San __ \skip4 ctus;
but
if you have a word that's finished but must be sung for some other notes,
like ctus that must be sung for say other four notes, I usually leave
no
__ or --; sometimes it can be misunderstooding. Is THERE A RULE FOR
THESE SITUATIONS, and how could eventually I make these signs appear?
Thanks.
You should generally add a lyric extender, like this:
\score {
\new Voice = one {
c''4 d'' c'' d'' e'' f'' e'' f''
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto one {
Sanc -- _ _ _ tus __ _ _ _
}
}
I meant to attach this image.
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Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
Thanks Phil, for your answer - but I usually (is it right?), as in your example, write Sanc __tus and if tus must be sung for say other four notes I do not add anything after tus . But it could be miserunderstooding for who plays the score. But I wonder if there is a RULE for those situations. Thanks again. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/In-wait-for-a-subsequent-word-sorry-how-can-I-put-it-tp166204p166207.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
- Original Message - From: Son_V vincenzo.a...@gmail.com To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 5:05 PM Subject: Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)? Thanks Phil, for your answer - but I usually (is it right?), as in your example, write Sanc __tus and if tus must be sung for say other four notes I do not add anything after tus . But it could be miserunderstooding for who plays the score. But I wonder if there is a RULE for those situations. Thanks again. The rule is as I gave it: hyphens between syllables; extenders at the end of a word that spans multiple notes. You can break the rule if you wish, but that's the rule. -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
At 09:05 07/09/2014 -0700, Vincenzo Auer wrote: ... I usually (is it right?), as in your example, write Sanc __tus and if tus must be sung for say other four notes I do not add anything after tus. But it could be miserunderstooding for who plays the score. But I wonder if there is a RULE for those situations. Yes. Elaine Gould (Behind Bars, page 447) says: An extender, a line of stave-line thickness, follows a final syllable or monosyllabic word that extends beyond one written note, including a tied note. The line extends to the last written note, but not to the end of the duration. Any punctuation goes at the end of the word, before the extender and No extender is needed where a syllable occupies the length of its written duration Brian Barker ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
I must understand. Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/In-wait-for-a-subsequent-word-sorry-how-can-I-put-it-tp166204p166209.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
Am 07.09.2014 um 18:05 schrieb Son_V: Thanks Phil, for your answer - but I usually (is it right?), as in your example, write Sanc __tus The problem is that you confuse hyphens (-) with underscores (_). In your examples, you have two underscores inbetween the syllables of ‘sanctus’; but what you need in that place are two hyphens: sanc -- tus, in order to obtain a correct lyric hyphen from LilyPond. And the two underscores __ are used to make an extender line in such cases as you asked about, when the last syllable of a word has many notes. (And a single underscore serves as an empty syllable, so to speak, in order to skip notes.) HTH, Simon PS. I’d rather write san -- ctus instead of sanc -- tus, but I don’t know of any fixed rules for Latin hyphenation and therefore am not sure. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
Simon, Regarding the hyphenation of sanctus, the difference is between the spoken word and the sung word. If spoken the hyphenation would be sanc-tus, since that is how it is pronounced. Only vowel sounds can be sustained by the voice. This negates the possibility of singing sanc-tus. The only pronunciation that can be sung is sa-nctus. Now this hyphenation would have rather strange appearance to a singer. I think that most singers would recognize the hyphenation sanc-tus and realize that the nc sound must come with the tus. Mark -Original Message- From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Simon Albrecht Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 11:27 AM To: Son_V; lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)? Am 07.09.2014 um 18:05 schrieb Son_V: Thanks Phil, for your answer - but I usually (is it right?), as in your example, write Sanc __tus The problem is that you confuse hyphens (-) with underscores (_). In your examples, you have two underscores inbetween the syllables of 'sanctus'; but what you need in that place are two hyphens: sanc -- tus, in order to obtain a correct lyric hyphen from LilyPond. And the two underscores __ are used to make an extender line in such cases as you asked about, when the last syllable of a word has many notes. (And a single underscore serves as an empty syllable, so to speak, in order to skip notes.) HTH, Simon PS. I'd rather write san -- ctus instead of sanc -- tus, but I don't know of any fixed rules for Latin hyphenation and therefore am not sure. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: In wait for a subsequent word (sorry how can I put it)?
Hi all, Regarding the hyphenation of sanctus Sanc - tus (e.g., http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Sanctus) Hyphenation is the same in sung and spoken typesetting. The rules have nothing to do with what sound you can hold (i.e., pitched versus unpitched phonemes), but rather what syllabic division is likeliest to lead to correct prediction of the completion of the word (regardless of whether the word is spoken or sung or simply read). Hope this helps! Kieren. ___ Kieren MacMillan, composer www: http://www.kierenmacmillan.info email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
