Re: Valse des Sylphes - Charles GOUNOD

[Brian Barker]

At 21:44 02/11/2015 +, Alberto Simões wrote:
After your precious help, I consider my task of 
transcribing this music complete. Of course, I am happy to fix any issue:


There are still a few differences here:

Bar 1: As others have said, the third beat in the 
upper staff should be an E, not an F-sharp.


Bar 84: The decrescendo should end a beat 
earlier. Surely this should match what you have 
(correctly) in bars 92, 100, 108, and 116?


I'm puzzled by repeated reminder accidentals on tied notes in:
Bar 110: Natural sign before the tied C in the lower staff
Bar 112: Sharp sign before the tied F-sharp in the upper staff
Bar 120: Sharp sign before the tied F-sharp in the upper staff
Bar 122: Sharp sign before the tied F-sharp in the upper staff
Bar 124: Natural sign before the tied C in the lower staff

Surely these are simply confusing? (They are not 
present in the original.) Even if the accidentals 
in the previous bars were not reminders, they 
would affect the tied notes too, and - since the 
notes are tied - they couldn't be anything else 
but the same pitch. (The accidental in bar 120 
would be necessary if it were not a reminder one, 
since a system break now occurs here, but that 
doesn't apply in this case and Lilypond would 
insert it automatically anyway.) This problem 
seems to result from your use of the chord 
repetition symbol "q"; to avoid this, you may 
want to repeat the chords explicitly instead - without the exclamation marks.


Brian Barker  



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Re: Valse des Sylphes - Charles GOUNOD

[Alberto Simões]

On 03/11/15 14:04, Alberto Simões wrote:

I did not like them too, but no clue how to remove them.

GNU LilyPond 2.18.2 here, but I can try to update (even on El Capitan!)


Oh, damn.
2.18.2 is the latest stable :-/

Best,
A.

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Re: Valse des Sylphes - Charles GOUNOD

[David Kastrup]

Alberto Simões  writes:

> Hello
>
> On 03/11/15 16:05, Brian Barker wrote:
>> Easy. In the case of bar 110, you have:
>> 2 ~ | q4
>> Replace this with:
>> 2 ~ | 4
>> - and similarly.
>
> Ah, good point :-)
>
> Me being lazy.
>
> Will fix it :)

Which explains the difference to development versions.

commit bbaf95bbad502905c487290b4b6d9bf7856f
Author: David Kastrup 
Date:   Mon Dec 1 18:17:41 2014 +0100

Issue 4010: Chord repeats should not repeat forced/cautionary accidentals

was committed to version 2.19.16.

-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: Valse des Sylphes - Charles GOUNOD

[Simon Albrecht]

On 03.11.2015 16:43, Alberto Simões wrote:



On 03/11/15 14:04, Alberto Simões wrote:

I did not like them too, but no clue how to remove them.

GNU LilyPond 2.18.2 here, but I can try to update (even on El Capitan!)


Oh, damn.
2.18.2 is the latest stable :-/


The ‘unstable’ versions also use to be very reliable, and there’s a huge 
number of new features/bugfixes (such as this) to gain by upgrading.


Yours, Simon

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Re: Valse des Sylphes - Charles GOUNOD

[David Kastrup]

Simon Albrecht  writes:

> On 03.11.2015 16:43, Alberto Simões wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 03/11/15 14:04, Alberto Simões wrote:
>>> I did not like them too, but no clue how to remove them.
>>>
>>> GNU LilyPond 2.18.2 here, but I can try to update (even on El Capitan!)
>>
>> Oh, damn.
>> 2.18.2 is the latest stable :-/
>
> The ‘unstable’ versions also use to be very reliable, and there’s a
> huge number of new features/bugfixes (such as this) to gain by
> upgrading.

Well, 2.19.29 and 2.19.30 had some rather ugly problems.  It's rare but
it happens.

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Re: Valse des Sylphes - Charles GOUNOD

[Brian Barker]

At 14:04 03/11/2015 +, Alberto Simões wrote:

At 09:59 03/11/2015 +, Brian Barker wrote:

I'm puzzled by repeated reminder accidentals on tied notes in:
Bar 110: Natural sign before the tied C in the lower staff
[...]


I did not like them too, but no clue how to remove them.


Easy. In the case of bar 110, you have:
2 ~ | q4
Replace this with:
2 ~ | 4
- and similarly.


GNU LilyPond 2.18.2 here, but I can try to update (even on El Capitan!)


No need, with this workaround.

Brian Barker  



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Re: Valse des Sylphes - Charles GOUNOD

[Alberto Simões]

Hello

On 03/11/15 16:05, Brian Barker wrote:

Easy. In the case of bar 110, you have:
2 ~ | q4
Replace this with:
2 ~ | 4
- and similarly.


Ah, good point :-)

Me being lazy.

Will fix it :)

Thanks
Alberto

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Re: Valse des Sylphes - Charles GOUNOD

[Alberto Simões]

On 03/11/15 11:20, Michael Gerdau wrote:

I'm puzzled by repeated reminder accidentals on tied notes in:
Bar 110: Natural sign before the tied C in the lower staff
Bar 112: Sharp sign before the tied F-sharp in the upper staff
Bar 120: Sharp sign before the tied F-sharp in the upper staff
Bar 122: Sharp sign before the tied F-sharp in the upper staff
Bar 124: Natural sign before the tied C in the lower staff


Interstingly enough these do not appear when I create the PDF on my
local LP 2.19.30. In fact, the PDF I create myself clearly differs from
the one found on github.

When I compare my self created PDF it seems very much in agreement
with the original though I have not done this check against the newest
version (only done that with the previous one).


All fixed \o/

Thank you!

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Re: Valse des Sylphes - Charles GOUNOD

[Brian Barker]

At 12:20 03/11/2015 +0100, Michael Gerdau wrote:
Interestingly enough these do not appear when I create the PDF on my 
local LP 2.19.30.


Yes: that *is* interesting! (Like the transcriber, I was using 2.18.2.)

Brian Barker  



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Re: Valse des Sylphes - Charles GOUNOD

[Alberto Simões]

On 03/11/15 11:20, Michael Gerdau wrote:

I'm puzzled by repeated reminder accidentals on tied notes in:
Bar 110: Natural sign before the tied C in the lower staff
Bar 112: Sharp sign before the tied F-sharp in the upper staff
Bar 120: Sharp sign before the tied F-sharp in the upper staff
Bar 122: Sharp sign before the tied F-sharp in the upper staff
Bar 124: Natural sign before the tied C in the lower staff


Interstingly enough these do not appear when I create the PDF on my
local LP 2.19.30. In fact, the PDF I create myself clearly differs from
the one found on github.


I did not like them too, but no clue how to remove them.

GNU LilyPond 2.18.2 here, but I can try to update (even on El Capitan!)

Best,
Alberto

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Re: Valse des Sylphes - Charles GOUNOD

[Michael Gerdau]

> I'm puzzled by repeated reminder accidentals on tied notes in:
> Bar 110: Natural sign before the tied C in the lower staff
> Bar 112: Sharp sign before the tied F-sharp in the upper staff
> Bar 120: Sharp sign before the tied F-sharp in the upper staff
> Bar 122: Sharp sign before the tied F-sharp in the upper staff
> Bar 124: Natural sign before the tied C in the lower staff

Interstingly enough these do not appear when I create the PDF on my
local LP 2.19.30. In fact, the PDF I create myself clearly differs from
the one found on github.

When I compare my self created PDF it seems very much in agreement
with the original though I have not done this check against the newest
version (only done that with the previous one).

Kind regards,
Michael
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Re: Valse des Sylphes - Charles GOUNOD

[Johan Vromans]

On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 23:18:08 +0100
Malte Meyn  wrote:

> Hi, I don’t have the time to look at the whole score. But the f sharp in 
> m. 1 is wrong. Maybe you or someone else should check again the whole 
> piece for correct pitches.

Listening to the midi often quickly reveals false pitches.

-- Johan

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Re: Valse des Sylphes - Charles GOUNOD

[Malte Meyn]

Hi, I don’t have the time to look at the whole score. But the f sharp in 
m. 1 is wrong. Maybe you or someone else should check again the whole 
piece for correct pitches.


Am 02.11.2015 um 22:44 schrieb Alberto Simões:

Hello

After your precious help, I consider my task of transcribing this music
complete. Of course, I am happy to fix any issue:

   https://github.com/ambs/music/tree/master/Gounod/ValseDesSylphes

Best regards,
Alberto



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Re: Valse des Sylphes - Charles GOUNOD

[Michael Gerdau]

> Hi, I don’t have the time to look at the whole score. But the f sharp in
> m. 1 is wrong. Maybe you or someone else should check again the whole
> piece for correct pitches.

Correct and I did not spot that while I did my proofreading...
[I did check the whole piece for correct pitches]

Kind regards,
Michael
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