Re: fisisis impossible?

[Torsten Hämmerle]

Karlin High wrote
> 
> How about quadruple or more? Never know when someone will show up trying 
> to engrave some John Stump stuff.
> [...]
> 

That's absolutely hilarious!
A complete set of accidentals covering a full octave including quarter tone
steps and specialist non-fretted string symbols to accurately capture the
accuracy nuances of novice viola players will be provided in LilyPond
version 10^13.8, accidentally (pun intended).

You made my day
Torsten





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Re: fisisis impossible?

[Karlin High]

On 3/12/2018 7:50 AM, Torsten Hämmerle wrote:

it'd be nice to have triple flats/sharps in LilyPond




How about quadruple or more? Never know when someone will show up trying 
to engrave some John Stump stuff.




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Re: fisisis impossible?

[Marc Hohl]

Am 12.03.2018 1:50 nachm. schrieb Torsten Hämmerle :Marc Hohl wrote

> This is on the issue tracker:

> 

> https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/3356/



Thank you, Marc,



This 2013 issue (like this thread, too) may be related mainly to \chordmode,No. If LilyPond has no internal representation of triple signs, neither notes nor chords will work at all.

but generally, it'd be nice to have triple flats/sharps in LilyPond.

I've started working on the case.
That's cool!Regards, Marc


All the best,

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Re: fisisis impossible?

[Torsten Hämmerle]

Marc Hohl wrote
> This is on the issue tracker:
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/3356/

Thank you, Marc,

This 2013 issue (like this thread, too) may be related mainly to \chordmode,
but generally, it'd be nice to have triple flats/sharps in LilyPond.
I've started working on the case.

All the best,
Torsten



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Re: fisisis impossible?

[Marc Hohl]

Am 10.03.2018 um 21:20 schrieb bart deruyter:

Hi all,

got in a situation, trying to describe the bis augmented chord in second 
inversion, which would contain fisisis in a slashed chord name.


Lilypond returns an error, unexpected symbol, expecting tonicname pitch, 
which makes me believe that lilypond does not know triple sharps (isisis).


Am I right? Are there solutions for this?


This is on the issue tracker:

https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/3356/

Marc

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Re: fisisis impossible?

[Noeck]

Hi,

you mean like this?

<<
  \new FretBoards \chordmode { bis/gis }
  \new ChordNames \chordmode {
\once\override ChordName.text = \markup \line {
  \concat { "B" \raise #0.8 \small \sharp } "/"
  \concat { "F" \raise #0.8 \small \sharp
\hspace #0.1
\raise #0.8 \fontsize #-0.5 \doublesharp }
}
bis/gis }
>>

Best,
Joram

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Re: fisisis impossible?

[bart deruyter]

Hey,

thanks for the info :-) .

I thought about something like that, but now how to get that in
"\chordmode". I make a \chordmode entry for both the chord names and the
diagrams, looks like this would only work on notes.

I know it is a rare situation in which triple sharps and flats are used.

But out of curiousity I looked at the the big shots: finale handles it
without any problem for quite a while (just read a post from 2013:
https://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6=404097),
and sibelius made it easier (but it was possible earlier) only since 2017
in an update of a plugin (
http://www.sibelius.com/download/plugins/index.html?plugin=411).

So I guess the demand for handling them is there, or they wouldn't develop
it for sure.

grtz
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2018-03-10 22:08 GMT+01:00 Noeck :

> Hi Bart,
>
> fisisis is not part of the input language (of any defined input
> language). So from this technical point, it can't work.
>
> I wanted to write that there is no symbol for it. But then I found this:
> http://dictionary.onmusic.org/terms/3687-triple_sharp
>
> > Etude no. 10 from Douze etudes dans tous les tons mineur, Op. 39 (1857),
> by Charles-Valentin Alkan.
>
> You can make a fisis look like a fisisis by this override (which can
> surely be made more elegant or turned into a tweak):
>
> \version "2.19.80"
>
> isisis = {
>   \once \override Accidental.stencil = #ly:text-interface::print
>   \once \override Accidental.text = \markup {
> \concat {
>   \musicglyph #"accidentals.sharp"
>   \musicglyph #"accidentals.doublesharp"
> }
>   }
> }
> \relative {
>   \isisis fisis'
> }
>
> It's not impossible that these triple-accidentals could be added to both
> the input language and the music font. However, I am not convinced that
> it should be used :)
>
> Best,
> Joram
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Re: fisisis impossible?

[Noeck]

Hi Bart,

fisisis is not part of the input language (of any defined input
language). So from this technical point, it can't work.

I wanted to write that there is no symbol for it. But then I found this:
http://dictionary.onmusic.org/terms/3687-triple_sharp

> Etude no. 10 from Douze etudes dans tous les tons mineur, Op. 39 (1857), by 
> Charles-Valentin Alkan.

You can make a fisis look like a fisisis by this override (which can
surely be made more elegant or turned into a tweak):

\version "2.19.80"

isisis = {
  \once \override Accidental.stencil = #ly:text-interface::print
  \once \override Accidental.text = \markup {
\concat {
  \musicglyph #"accidentals.sharp"
  \musicglyph #"accidentals.doublesharp"
}
  }
}
\relative {
  \isisis fisis'
}

It's not impossible that these triple-accidentals could be added to both
the input language and the music font. However, I am not convinced that
it should be used :)

Best,
Joram

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Re: fisisis impossible?

[Ben]

On 3/10/2018 3:44 PM, bart deruyter wrote:
The "why" is described in my mail: showing the logic behind the 
structure of chords.


grtz,
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Hi Bart,

Ok. I think LilyPond has some issues with triple-sharps. I remember 
reading that it didn't deal with them well, so you may be in a tough 
spot. But this was back a few years...
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Re: fisisis impossible?

[bart deruyter]

The "why" is described in my mail: showing the logic behind the structure
of chords.

grtz,
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2018-03-10 21:33 GMT+01:00 Ben :

> On 3/10/2018 3:20 PM, bart deruyter wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> got in a situation, trying to describe the bis augmented chord in second
> inversion, which would contain fisisis in a slashed chord name.
>
> Lilypond returns an error, unexpected symbol, expecting tonicname pitch,
> which makes me believe that lilypond does not know triple sharps (isisis).
>
> Am I right? Are there solutions for this?
>
> using version 2.19.65 here.
>
> I'm making a list of guitar chord diagrams of triads, and their inversions
> for my students. Using an enharmonic equivalent would fail in showing the
> logic behind the structure of chords, so that wouldn't work for me.
>
> grtz,
> Bart
>
>
> Triple sharps? For a classroom chord chart? Just curious, but why?
>
> http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Triple-b-or-do-
> they-exist-td55106.html
>
>
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Re: fisisis impossible?

[Ben]

On 3/10/2018 3:20 PM, bart deruyter wrote:

Hi all,

got in a situation, trying to describe the bis augmented chord in 
second inversion, which would contain fisisis in a slashed chord name.


Lilypond returns an error, unexpected symbol, expecting tonicname 
pitch, which makes me believe that lilypond does not know triple 
sharps (isisis).


Am I right? Are there solutions for this?

using version 2.19.65 here.

I'm making a list of guitar chord diagrams of triads, and their 
inversions for my students. Using an enharmonic equivalent would fail 
in showing the logic behind the structure of chords, so that wouldn't 
work for me.


grtz,
Bart



Triple sharps? For a classroom chord chart? Just curious, but why?

http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Triple-b-or-do-they-exist-td55106.html


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fisisis impossible?

[bart deruyter]

Hi all,

got in a situation, trying to describe the bis augmented chord in second
inversion, which would contain fisisis in a slashed chord name.

Lilypond returns an error, unexpected symbol, expecting tonicname pitch,
which makes me believe that lilypond does not know triple sharps (isisis).

Am I right? Are there solutions for this?

using version 2.19.65 here.

I'm making a list of guitar chord diagrams of triads, and their inversions
for my students. Using an enharmonic equivalent would fail in showing the
logic behind the structure of chords, so that wouldn't work for me.

grtz,
Bart


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