On 27/01/15 08:07, jore wrote:
> ... what I'm trying to get at with this discussion in terms of
> personal solutions. ...
Yes, my person solution to sustainability is to teach IT professionals
about energy and e-waste reduction. Their personal solution can then be
to implement it, in their day
http://climatechangeinaustralia.gov.au/
"There will be a decrease in snowfall." - phew!
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On 26/01/2015 10:12 AM, Tom Worthington wrote:
> On 24/01/15 16:24, jore wrote:
>> ... What can you do? ...
> I teach how to reduce carbon emissions using computers and provide the
> course notes for free so others can teach it (used from Hong Kong to
> Canada): http://www.tomw.net.au/ict_sustain
On 24/01/15 16:24, jore wrote:
> ... What can you do? ...
I teach how to reduce carbon emissions using computers and provide the
course notes for free so others can teach it (used from Hong Kong to
Canada): http://www.tomw.net.au/ict_sustainability/introduction.shtml
In terms of preventing nuc
On 24/01/2015 12:50 PM, Tom Worthington wrote:
> The Board of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists Science and
> Security appear to agree. They have advanced the hands of the
> "Doomsday Clock" to 3 Minutes To Midnight". This is in response to
> "... unchecked climate change and a nuclear arms rac
On 22/01/15 08:36, I wrote:
> ... Changing climate ... may well increase the risk of global nuclear
> war ...
The Board of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists Science and Security
appear to agree. They have advanced the hands of the "Doomsday Clock" to
3 Minutes To Midnight". This is in respo
Just watched this one. BBC production. Multiple points of view. Explains why
neolib/con (whatever you want to call it) is a dead end for all of us, globally.
Thanks for prodding, Jore. There is so much in this one that anyone who votes
needs to understand. The two main parties in Australia are as
Hey there
Nice to see more thoughts.
On 23/01/2015 9:45 PM, Frank O'Connor wrote:
> At some stage we may push the environment into a new climate equilibrium ...
> which would be bad, and which at the moment we have very few means of
> reversing ... which probably won't kill all of us, but it wi
Personally, I don't have a lot of time for either the 'What a Work is Man'
argument or the sanctity of Nature arguments.
The bottom line is that if we were even remotely collectively intelligent we
would realise that you can't keep dumping your garbage in a closed system (the
world), and you ca
On 23/01/2015 1:10 PM, Jim Birch wrote:
> It is certainly what allows some the "advanced" life of humans...
Hey Jim,
I can see what you're saying, but I still disagree with your human
supremacist views. We can agree to disagree.
But beyond that, we're still talking about this culture. For insta
I just don't get this.
Have you ever heard of the "Fertile Crescent"? This was an extensive
fertile region where the agricultural revolution that produced the
surpluses that generated western civilisation occurred. I use the quotes
because it's the name is a kind of a joke now. The Fertile Cres
On 23/01/2015 1:10 PM, Jim Birch wrote:
> ...
> Exploitation wasn't invented by late 20thy century capitalists or wingnut
> libertarians ...
It's only recently that we've gone to rabid, ruinous extremes.
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/01/16/was-easy-just-60-years-neoliberal-capitalism-has-ne
On 22 January 2015 at 17:11, jore wrote:
> Most built on cooperation and mutual aid. It's what makes life possible.
>
It is certainly what allows some the "advanced" life of humans and possibly
some other mammals to occur but it by no means underlies nature. We are
exceptions.
Call it what you
Hi there,
Some more notes for where things are going discussion wise:
On 22/01/15 11:56, Jim Birch wrote:
> The impacts of continuing along the current path are clearly disastrous. I
> just can't see it wiping out the human race.
Yes it is disastrous, as we see. But the logic of the second par
On 21 January 2015 at 20:47, David Boxall wrote:
I hate to break it to you, but the human race will end.
>
I have no doubt about that.
Just to clarify, I fully support active CO2 reduction policy of a more
serious kind than anything on offer yet. And I'm personally 100% willing
to take an the
On 21/01/2015 8:47 PM, David Boxall wrote:
> On 21/01/2015 11:20 AM, Jim Birch wrote:
>> ...
>> I can't see that global warming could wipe out the human race. It's a
>> fantasy. ... not that the human
>> race will be wiped out. It won't.
>> ...
> Jim, nothing lasts forever. Not even us. I hate
On 21/01/2015 8:47 PM, David Boxall wrote:
> On 21/01/2015 11:20 AM, Jim Birch wrote:
>> ...
>> I can't see that global warming could wipe out the human race. It's a
>> fantasy. ... not that the human
>> race will be wiped out. It won't.
>> ...
> Jim, nothing lasts forever. Not even us. I hate
On 21/01/2015 11:20 AM, Jim Birch wrote:
> ...
> I can't see that global warming could wipe out the human race. It's a
> fantasy. ... not that the human
> race will be wiped out. It won't.
> ...
Jim, nothing lasts forever. Not even us. I hate to break it to you, but
the human race will end.
T
Despite it's obviously profound emotional attractiveness, doomsday thinking
is IMHO usually counterproductive, sometime extremely counterproductive.
The idea of the whole human species being eliminated by anything other than
an astronomic event is so fanciful that it is hardly worth even talking
a
At 10:45 PM 20/01/2015, Stephen Loosley you wrote:
>And, anyway, luckily the BBC with their "Infographic Guide to Doomsday
>Threats" are also much more optimistic. They say that the death of bees is the
>only think likely to do us in within the next five years. They say climate
>change death and
Interesting isn't it Janet.
What does the future of the earth look like?
You do seem pessimistic .. especially as a result of climate change .. whilst,
the study quoted may seem optimistic.
And sure, I might agree, climate change might well cause an end to humankind.
On our newly very warm, w
Improbable don't you think?
We are fracking our water infrastructure which underpins everything else.
Fighting bushfire in a landscape with leaking methane and flammable
groundwater is going to be fun.
Our climate is already crispy.
We are largely dependent on things coming in and going out (includ
"This table shows the vulnerability and readiness of different nations around
the world to adapt to climate change."
1Norway
2New Zealand
3Sweden
4Finland
5Denmark
6Australia
7United Kingdom
8United States
9Germany
10 Iceland
snip
178 Samoa (etc)
Ref: Uni
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