Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-28 Thread Kim Holburn
On 2014/Apr/28, at 8:41 AM, Tom Worthington wrote: In practice there may be little difference between FTTP and FTTN, due to the last 3m, in old homes. That is just silly. That's like saying there may be little difference between FTTP and FTTN because some households have computers with

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-28 Thread Frank O'Connor
Sorry, I meant CDMA ... collision detection. Error correction, as Hamish said ... is a level 3 Feature. Again ... just my 2 cents worth ... --- On 28 Apr 2014, at 6:39 pm, Hamish Moffatt ham...@cloud.net.au wrote: On 28/04/14 18:22, Frank O'Connor wrote: Well, yeah ... but: 1. ANY form

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt
There's no CDMA on a switched network... Hamish On 28/04/14 19:29, Frank O'Connor wrote: Sorry, I meant CDMA ... collision detection. Error correction, as Hamish said ... is a level 3 Feature. Again ... just my 2 cents worth ... --- On 28 Apr 2014, at 6:39 pm, Hamish Moffatt

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-28 Thread Tom Worthington
On 28/04/14 09:32, Richard Archer wrote: Sorry to be a spoil sport, but your story about networking inside the premises has nothing to do with FTTP nor FTTN. ... Sorry to disagree, but why spend billions of dollars getting high speed broadband up to people's homes, if you can't then get it

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-28 Thread Richard Archer
On 29/04/14 8:37 AM, Tom Worthington wrote: On 28/04/14 09:32, Richard Archer wrote: Sorry to be a spoil sport, but your story about networking inside the premises has nothing to do with FTTP nor FTTN. ... Sorry to disagree, but why spend billions of dollars getting high speed broadband up

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-28 Thread Richard Archer
On 28/04/14 11:38 AM, Rachel Polanskis wrote: This is where it gets tricky - if there is a power outage, the ONT will stay up, but we need a UPS for the switch now, as with the phone. Some of this kind of logic may be beyond ordinary users, as they may expect to have a phone service in a

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-28 Thread Paul Brooks
On 29/04/2014 8:37 AM, Tom Worthington wrote: On 28/04/14 09:32, Richard Archer wrote: Sorry to be a spoil sport, but your story about networking inside the premises has nothing to do with FTTP nor FTTN. ... Sorry to disagree, but why spend billions of dollars getting high speed broadband

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-28 Thread Roger Clarke
At 23:32 +1000 28/4/14, Hamish Moffatt wrote: There's no CDMA on a switched network... C'mon Hamish. You know he meant CSMA/CD.(:-)} Lots of us have had that slip of the tongue. On 28/04/14 19:29, Frank O'Connor wrote: Sorry, I meant CDMA

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On 29/04/14 12:41, Roger Clarke wrote: At 23:32 +1000 28/4/14, Hamish Moffatt wrote: There's no CDMA on a switched network... C'mon Hamish. You know he meant CSMA/CD.(:-)} Lots of us have had that slip of the tongue. Oops, I actually overlooked that. Still not on a switched network

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-27 Thread Tom Worthington
On 25/04/14 18:20, Stephen Loosley wrote: ... FTTP model directly contradicts statements by Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull that the telco is focusing on the Coalition’s preferred Fibre to the Node model ... In practice there may be little difference between FTTP and FTTN, due to

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-27 Thread Jan Whitaker
At 09:32 AM 28/04/2014, Richard Archer you wrote: Sorry to be a spoil sport, but your story about networking inside the premises has nothing to do with FTTP nor FTTN. ...R. True, Richard, but it does set up a 'last meter/yard/whatever' connection question. What is the transfer speed

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-27 Thread Christopher Vance
A lot of Ethernet these days is 1000Mb/s. On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Jan Whitaker jw...@internode.on.netwrote: At 09:32 AM 28/04/2014, Richard Archer you wrote: Sorry to be a spoil sport, but your story about networking inside the premises has nothing to do with FTTP nor FTTN.

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-27 Thread Scott Howard
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Rachel Polanskis gr...@exemail.com.auwrote: Also, when it comes to the internal fibre link from the wall outside, we were told it is Single Mode Fibre and so is only suitable for short runs. You probably mean Multi-mode fiber, which is only good for runs up

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-27 Thread Paul Brooks
It's single-mode fibre, so is OK for long runs - but the installer might have been trying to use the tech-speak to justify doing a lazy installation. NBN's standards allow for around 40m of flexible fibre inside the premises from memory as a standard install - or longer if needed to replicate

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-27 Thread Jan Whitaker
At 12:58 PM 28/04/2014, Paul Brooks wrote: Sounds like there is a lot of snow from installers trying to get away with the fewest minutes on-site as they can get away with, irrespective of NBNCo's standards. The new 'pink batts' scandal since the handover to the new NBNCo? They are under the

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-27 Thread Rachel Polanskis
On 28 Apr 2014, at 12:58 pm, Paul Brooks pbrooks-l...@layer10.com.au wrote: It's single-mode fibre, so is OK for long runs - but the installer might have been trying to use the tech-speak to justify doing a lazy installation. NBN's standards allow for around 40m of flexible fibre inside the

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-27 Thread Frank O'Connor
Mmmm, Most WiFi routers you buy nowadays are 380Mbs, or better, multichannel devices that can handle much more bandwidth than the old 54Mbs puppies. The default WiFi in any 'puter you buy nowadays can handle this no problems. New WiFi standards are on the horizon to take routers and PC WiFi

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-26 Thread Stephen Loosley
Scott writes, Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:56:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal Up to 100 cities in 25 markets is very, very far from pretty much standard. Despite living in the middle of Silicon Valley, my city isn't on their list of 100 cities. Even their own map

Re: [LINK] FTTP soon normal

2014-04-25 Thread Scott Howard
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Stephen Loosley step...@melbpc.org.auwrote: Wow. Sounds like 1Gbps speeds are shortly going to become pretty standard across much of the United States. Up to 100 cities in 25 markets is very, very far from pretty much standard. Despite living in the middle of