Re: [LINK] Why you may not own, or drive your vehicle in 10 years time

2016-06-09 Thread Andy Farkas
On 09/06/2016 22:29, David Lochrin wrote: On 2016-06-09 21:32 I wrote: Suppose there's been heavy rain for three days and numerous warnings about flooding on local roads. Ignoring the warnings, I drive around a bend and hit water 30cm deep at the speed limit with the result the car

Re: [LINK] Why you may not own, or drive your vehicle in 10 years time

2016-06-09 Thread David Lochrin
On 2016-06-09 12:23 Jim Birch wrote: >> Only a human can assume moral or legal responsibility, so who would be >> responsible for a death caused by the actions of a vehicle computer? > > A company has responsibilities if your electric kettle explodes, or your new > fence falls on a passing

Re: [LINK] Why you may not own, or drive your vehicle in 10 years time

2016-06-09 Thread David Lochrin
On 2016-06-09 21:32 I wrote: > Suppose there's been heavy rain for three days and numerous warnings about > flooding on local roads. Ignoring the warnings, I drive around a bend and > hit water 30cm deep at the speed limit with the result the car aquaplanes > causing an accident with multiple

Re: [LINK] Why you may not own, or drive your vehicle in 10 years time

2016-06-09 Thread Ivan Trundle
I get very frustrated with discussions about car driving and robots, for a bunch of reasons: - Odious comparisons are made between cars and other forms of transport, or other technology, most of which is far less complicated or with far less risk involved. - Gross generalisations are made

Re: [LINK] Why you may not own, or drive your vehicle in 10 years time

2016-06-09 Thread Karl Auer
On Fri, 2016-06-10 at 09:04 +1000, Andy Farkas wrote: > Chess and Go have finite logical outcomes that are governed > by strict rules. The laws of physics are pretty strict. I tried to go faster than light once, and got fined. > Driving is a learning experience. Something different happens >

Re: [LINK] Why you may not own, or drive your vehicle in 10 years time

2016-06-09 Thread JanW
At 09:32 PM 9/06/2016, David Lochrin wrote: >If Volvo are unconditionally accepting "full liability for accidents involving >its driverless cars" such questions would not arise, but it seems a very brave >move indeed. Maybe they've run the risk/return numbers on this and figured in the law

Re: [LINK] Why you may not own, or drive your vehicle in 10 years time

2016-06-09 Thread Andy Farkas
On 09/06/2016 23:11, Karl Auer wrote: Computers were never going to play chess. Until they did. Computers were never going to play Go. Until they did. Computers will never drive cars... until they do. Chess and Go have finite logical outcomes that are governed by strict rules. Driving (and

Re: [LINK] Why you may not own, or drive your vehicle in 10 years time

2016-06-09 Thread Paul Bolger
Personally I can’t wait for advertising subsidised travel. “Sir, in a moment we’ll be passing your local supermarket, and for a short time I’m authorised to offer you, at an incredible %25 off … SIR! If you don’t take those earbuds out in five seconds I will be charging you the full price for this

Re: [LINK] Why you may not own, or drive your vehicle in 10 years time

2016-06-09 Thread Karl Auer
On Fri, 2016-06-10 at 15:10 +1200, Paul Bolger wrote: > SIR! If you don’t take those earbuds out in five seconds I will be > charging you the full price for this trip, and a $10 contract > dishonorment fee.” "Hullo Car. Nice to hear from you. You may have noted that I am holding a large axe? I

Re: [LINK] Why you may not own, or drive your vehicle in 10 years time

2016-06-09 Thread David Lochrin
On 2016-06-10 10:13 Karl Auer wrote: > Working computers have only been around for half a century or so. In that > time they have gone from electrical monsters to electronic marvels. They have > taken on a multitude of tasks that we once said with great confidence they > would never be able to

Re: [LINK] Why you may not own, or drive your vehicle in 10 years time

2016-06-09 Thread Karl Auer
On Fri, 2016-06-10 at 11:38 +1000, David Lochrin wrote: > Way back in the 60's artificial intelligence comparable with human > intelligence was confidently forecast to be a reality in 10 or 15 > years. Ten years later it was another decade or so away. We're now > half a century further on and

Re: [LINK] Why you may not own, or drive your vehicle in 10 years time

2016-06-09 Thread Karl Auer
On Thu, 2016-06-09 at 22:52 +1000, Andy Farkas wrote: > Most weekdays I drive 25 kms to work (one way). I > experience things that I'm sure only a human could > comprehend. Comprehend? Perhaps. Deal with? Hmmm. > Auto-cars are not going to cut it in rural Oz. Not now, perhaps. Tomorrow? You