Re: [LINK] NBN costs

2017-07-31 Thread David Lochrin 
On Monday 31 July 2017 at 17:35 Stephen Loosley wrote:

> Mr Budde said it was shameful that politicians had turned the NBN into a 
> "political football," rather than treating it as a national interest 
> investment, and said it was time for a bipartisan plan to be drawn up to fix 
> the current situation and provide a sustainable trajectory for the network 
> build.

The Coalition parties, state & federal, see everything as a business rather 
than an investment in national infrastructure or culture.  I believe it's 
conservative ideology.

A little while ago I went through the list of Coalition members without finding 
anyone qualified in science, maths or engineering.  However I can no longer 
find any list which details MP's tertiary qualifications.

David L.
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Re: [LINK] NBN costs

2017-07-31 Thread Karl Auer 
On Mon, 2017-07-31 at 18:14 +1000, David Lochrin wrote:
> The Coalition parties, state & federal, see everything as a business
> rather than an investment in national infrastructure or culture.  I
> believe it's conservative ideology.

The simplest way IMHO to describe the difference between the left and
the right is to say that the right believes that if you take care of
the money, things will work out OK. The left believes that if you take
care of the people, things will work out OK.

Both extremes are wrong, but I do agree with the thesis that "the facts
have a left-wing bias". Probably because money is a construct and
people are real.[1] There must be some reason why less than 10% of
American scientists are Republicans :-)

Regards, K.

[1] cf Douglas Adams (misremembered I'm sure) "most solutions offered
were based on the movements of little green pieces of paper, which was
strange because on the whole it wasn't the little green pieces of paper
that were unhappy."

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Re: [LINK] NBN costs

2017-07-31 Thread David Lochrin 
On Monday 31 July 2017 at 16:40 JanW wrote:

> Some bright spark from some dodgy tech company came in with a nice colour 
> brochure. Can't think of anything else that make sense.

Maybe that's also the reason the NSW Coalition, under our revered leader 
Gladys, ordered a large light-rail project without specifying that it had to be 
compatible with existing infrastructure - I believe there's about 75mm 
difference in the track gauges.  This is bungling incompetence at a level which 
would bring tears of frustration and hopelessness.

See 
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/why-sydneys-new-light-rail-trams-wont-carry-passengers-on-inner-west-line-20170725-gxida4.html

David L.
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Re: [LINK] NBN costs

2017-07-31 Thread JanW 
At 04:26 PM 31/07/2017, Andy Farkas wrote:

>Mr. Trumble, please explain how a node is upgradable? Oh, you rip it all out 
>and start again? M, more affordable

Some bright spark from some dodgy tech company came in with a nice colour 
brochure. Can't think of anything else that make sense.

JW


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Re: [LINK] NBN costs

2017-07-31 Thread Andy Farkas 



http://www.afr.com/technology/web/nbn/what-a-bunch-of-ding-dongs-heres-why-the-nbn-is-far-worse-than-you-think-20170728-gxl1t7

-andyf

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Re: [LINK] NBN costs

2017-07-31 Thread Andy Farkas 


Pardon the French, but the asshole is full of shit (no pun intended).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6DDYOJ8phQ

Mr. Trumble, please explain how a node is upgradable? Oh, you rip it all 
out and start again? M, more affordable


[sorry all, it's been a bitch of a Monday]

-andyf

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Re: [LINK] NBN costs

2017-07-31 Thread Andy Farkas 

On 31/07/2017 16:40, JanW wrote:

Some bright spark from some dodgy tech company came in with a nice colour 
brochure. Can't think of anything else that make sense.



Yay for the new season of Utopia! :)

-andyf

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Re: [LINK] NBN costs

2017-07-31 Thread Stephen Loosley 
Andy writes,

> Mr. Trumble, please explain how a node is upgradable? Oh, you rip
> it all out and start again? M, more affordable  -andyf



… Leading telecommunications expert Paul Budde has released a mid-year 
assessment of the NBN, which blasts the politicisation of digital 
infrastructure.

He says it is time for a politically agnostic review to determine how the 
project should proceed.

Mr Budde notes that while the pricing model was under debate, the decision by 
NBN to stick to the Coalition's fibre to the node-based network, rather than 
the earlier fibre to the premise (FTTP) model, ultimately meant it was building 
an asset that was of greatly reduced value to a future buyer.

He said the fact that NBN was increasing the number of premises that would 
receive fibre to the curb (FTTC) technology was an indication that it 
understood that there was a longer term problem with fibre to the node (FTTN), 
and said it was actively building in random inequality for residents across 
Australia.

"FTTN is inferior to FTTC/FTTP and customers are worried about getting an FTTN 
connection because they understand others will get the superior service," Mr 
Budde said.

"Interestingly, and telling, is that there are little or no complaints from the 
one million plus FTTH connections."

Mr Budde said it was shameful that politicians had turned the NBN into a 
"political football," rather than treating it as a national interest 
investment, and said it was time for a bipartisan plan to be drawn up to fix 
the current situation and provide a sustainable trajectory for the network 
build.

"It would be a proper review by real experts – not by handpicked political 
appointees Let the engineers and other experts decide on the best 
solution," he said.


http://www.afr.com/technology/web/nbn/nbn-chief-blames-isps-for-poor-performance-as-experts-call-for-policy-review-20170731-gxm94w
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