On Nov 30, 2007 12:41 AM, Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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The excessive number of blank lines in your post are to me by far the
most informative part of your contribution to this thread.
Rob
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Mark Post
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:39 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on
Systemz
On Fri, Nov 30,
I've been watching the OQO for a couple of years now. The only thing
holding me back has been the price. There are a number of similar
devices in the UMPC form factor.
I DID buy a mini-pc a couple of years ago that runs Linux and Hercules
very well. It's about the size of a CD player, but that
Peter E. Abresch Jr. - at Pepco wrote:
SuSE sudo levels
We are working on a project to consolidate Linux userid management. We are
moving our Linux Users from each Linux Guest and will manage them using
CA-ACF2 and PAM.
Interesting; I'm about to embark on the same process.
However we ran into
Rich Smrcina wrote:
If you do a Google search on Linux OQO you'll get a bunch of hits.
Puppy Linux, Ubuntu and some others.
Last year a guy at the bowling alley was playing with one, pretty cool!
I think Puppy's quite small, and then there's DSL.
Imagine someone turning up at a job
parsimonious thrift!!!
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From: John Summerfield
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on
Systemz
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:21:46 +0900
McKown, John wrote:
Many object to the phrase kill list
Mark Post wrote:
Yes, they're now trying to push Ubuntu in the server market. I have no idea just how
minuscule their market share is in that regard, but I imagine it's pretty
small. Most people who really want a F/LOSS server have gone with Debian. Those who are
more pragmatic use SLES or
I was at a CMG Canada presentation that was a repeat of the one given at SHARE
regarding this project.
I thought the number was closer to 140; that could just be the ORACLE serversn
though (my so-called mind could be failing).
That was with three IFL's.
You can go up to 54 of them.
While not
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 8:18 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Ivan Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark Post wrote:
Yes, they're now trying to push Ubuntu in the server market. I have
no idea
just how minuscule their market share is in that regard, but I
imagine it's
pretty small. Most
Is that a threat?
Seems to me something _I_ don't understand here.
I didn't, either.
But, the discussion was getting dicey!
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John Summerfield wrote:
Rich Smrcina wrote:
If you do a Google search on Linux OQO you'll get a bunch of hits.
Puppy Linux, Ubuntu and some others.
Last year a guy at the bowling alley was playing with one, pretty cool!
I think Puppy's quite small, and then there's DSL.
Imagine someone
Mark Post wrote:
SLES9 SP4 is well under way. I can't find the RPMs associated with it right
now, so I can't tell if the version of sudo will be newer or not. I suspect it
will not be newer. If you download sudo from source and compile it yourself,
it will void support for sudo, but not
Ivan Warren wrote:
The day I showed that to some IBM person, he kind of freaked out.. Not
because I was running hercules.. But because I was running VM on a *HP*
branded machine[1] ;)
--Ivan
[1] In retrospect, I now realize how gross that was !
yeah, should have been a Fujitsu-branded
Coming into this a bit late, so sorry if I missed the point...
On Red Hat, there's a supplied kernel-devel package that has JUST ENOUGH
of the kernel source to allow you to build third-party modules. You
only really need the full source package if you're going to rebuild the
kernel itself, or
If you do a Google search on Linux OQO you'll get a bunch of hits.
Puppy Linux, Ubuntu and some others.
Last year a guy at the bowling alley was playing with one, pretty cool!
Jay Maynard wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 01:30:49PM -0500, Gentry, Stephen wrote:
Mark, goto oqo.com I didn't
On Nov 30, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Jay Maynard wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 01:30:49PM -0500, Gentry, Stephen wrote:
Mark, goto oqo.com I didn't know such a device existed, but it was
inevitable that it would. Yeah, it would be pretty neat with it
running
Hercules and then a mainframe os
Has
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 01:30:49PM -0500, Gentry, Stephen wrote:
Mark, goto oqo.com I didn't know such a device existed, but it was
inevitable that it would. Yeah, it would be pretty neat with it running
Hercules and then a mainframe os
Has anyone gotten Linux running on it? I'm not
Mark, goto oqo.com I didn't know such a device existed, but it was
inevitable that it would. Yeah, it would be pretty neat with it running
Hercules and then a mainframe os
Steve G.
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On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 8:36 AM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Hall,
Ken (GTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of my personal fantasies is to run zOS under Hercules on an OQO.
What's an OQO? I haven't seen that name before.
Mark Post
But first we would need a really good PL/I compiler, which in itself,
is
not a bad thing. I would really like to have a reasonable alternative
to
C for implementing things in Linux, for all of the reasons plus some,
that DB mentions below.
Multics actually has a good PL/1 compiler; it's the
Hi,
I am here... just busy doing some real work but I would answer some
questions quickly :
a) What am doing on this list ?
We are running Susse Linux on a Z box and we are also runiing Linux on
Servers... and gradually phasing Microsoft out..
Even at home I am phasing Linux-Mce in but it's
An old aphorism from a boxing gym: it's not the size of the dog in the fight
but the size of the fight in the dog.
I can have less than 10 linux Domino servers providing mail to over 100,000
users -
- or 200 servers doing Oracle -
- or 300 doing WAS -
You get the picture.
It's all in the apps.
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From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of John Summerfield
McKown, John wrote:
Many object to the phrase kill list that is often used by people
to
describe email which is automatically deleted upon reception. I once
got a very strong email for using the
Eric Gericke wrote:
parsimonious thrift!!!
That's not the primary meaning here, and the whole point.
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McKown, John wrote:
Many object to the phrase kill list that is often used by people to
describe email which is automatically deleted upon reception. I once got
a very strong email for using the phrase twit list. Apparently that
word is much stronger in other parts of the world than it is here
accumulator patterns in the proper DEC colors. Includes REAL Emacs,
and
most of the DEC languages (Bliss, C, COBOL, Fortran, etc) that
survived.
As they used to say Bliss is ignorance ;)
On the other hand, at least it (Bliss) actually shipped to customers
(vis a vis PL/S). You could fix the
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 9:31 AM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter
E. Abresch Jr. - at Pepco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-snip-
Here is the problem, we are running the following guests:
SuSE SLES10x SP1 Kernel 2.6.16.53-0.18-default with Sudo version 1.6.8p12
SuSE SLES9x SP3 Kernel
Free speech is a good thing but if you do not agree with me, it does not
imply that you are a terrorist and should be bombed/killed... even if you
are in another Continent.
Is that a threat?
Do you not get it?
Nobody is truly interested in your posts!
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
Hi, Mark.
I'm aware of that effort and I have been keeping an eye on it from time
to time. It does look promising, and we'll know a lot more when it
finally begins to generate real executable code.
BTW, if you go to the SourceForge page for the project and download the
current *.zip file,
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 11:46 AM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Anton Britz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-snip-
b) Why do I have spaces in my email and lets debate the spaces in my
email ?
I am not going here because this should not be relevant to the debate and
hopefully, I do not get
Dave Jones wrote:
But first we would need a really good PL/I compiler, which in itself, is
not a bad thing. I would really like to have a reasonable alternative to
C for implementing things in Linux, for all of the reasons plus some,
that DB mentions below.
http://pl1gcc.sourceforge.net/
Alan Cox wrote:
I used to have Hercules running on an IBM PC-110 (handheld PC). Not
terribly useful but very good for This is the new S/390 portable mind
games with sales people.
I did something similar sometime ago.. Had a stripped down version
(S/370 only) of hercules running on an iPaq
I shutdown Linux,
DDR copy the minidisk,
update the directory,
restart Linux.
If you have multiple CMS IDs you multi-task the copies.
On Nov 30, 2007 5:20 AM, Jorge Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I'm starting a migration of linux minidisk from a 3390 group to another
3390s.
First
Dave Jones wrote:
But first we would need a really good PL/I compiler, which in itself, is
not a bad thing. I would really like to have a reasonable alternative to
C for implementing things in Linux, for all of the reasons plus some,
that DB mentions below.
Dave,
I think they are looking for
But first we would need a really good PL/I compiler, which in itself, is
not a bad thing. I would really like to have a reasonable alternative to
C for implementing things in Linux, for all of the reasons plus some,
that DB mentions below.
David Boyes wrote:
Yeah, I was going to mention that.
SuSE sudo levels
We are working on a project to consolidate Linux userid management. We are
moving our Linux Users from each Linux Guest and will manage them using
CA-ACF2 and PAM. However we ran into a slight problem. We use sudo to
control root access and then define the privileged users to
I think it was user error! I thought I did an install of kernel-source,
but when I went into YaST, it wasn't installed. I redid the install and
now it is there. Thanks for the help.
Wayne
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Mark Post
Sent:
There are other reasons to use Linux on Z as well.
In our case, we are using it as a front end to handle XML input from our
users. We run libXML under Linux, convert the inbound XML messages back
to our existing message formats and process them right into the existing
CICS applications running
Hi,
I'm starting a migration of linux minidisk from a 3390 group to another
3390s.
First option is manual process: stop linux, dirm cloned from old to new disk
group (or ddr), update guest directory, and test !
I've seen DRM tool and I've read some about DFSMS, but I don't know exactly
if they
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 8:09 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], David Kreuter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All: THE NUMBERS FOR SERVERS COUNTED IN THE PREVIOUS POST AT THE PROVINCE OF
QUEBEC ARE NOT CORRECT AS STATED.
Nor do any of my presentations contain numbers remotely close to those
All: THE NUMBERS FOR SERVERS COUNTED IN THE PREVIOUS POST AT THE PROVINCE OF
QUEBEC ARE NOT CORRECT AS STATED.
Nor do any of my presentations contain numbers remotely close to those stated
in the email post referenced below.
The correct number is on or nearer to 200 or so servers.
Repeat: the
My wife got in trouble once for describing someone as niggardly. If
you think that's racist, please check a dictionary, and don't vote.
Dennis
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with sense, reason, and
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 5:55 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Anton Britz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-snip-
Ubuntu is a world-class server platform today, providing evrything you'd
expect from a server OS and with the human flavor that makes Ubuntu
different.
Yes, they're now trying to push
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
Free speech is a good thing but if you do not agree with me, it does not
imply that you are a terrorist and should be bombed/killed... even if you
are in another Continent.
Is that a threat?
Seems to me something _I_ don't understand here.
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When I heard that the Multics source code had been released, and that
it
included a PL/I compiler, I tried to find it, but had no luck.
SYS:SYSOBJ.PLISTAGE1 on the install volume is the executable for the
lexical analyzer. I'm still hunting for the source; the published
version isn't the
-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Adam Thornton
On Nov 29, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Anton Britz wrote:
In the mean time, we have to gradually interlace Linux with zOS,
duplicate Scheduling software, Accounting packages etc. because
IBM and zOS has failed us.
On Nov 30, 2007 6:29 AM, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where do I get the source that comes with the distribution? I installed
the kernel-source package, but it doesn't appear to have everything I
need.
That should have been good enough (assuming you already have glibc-devel and
John Summerfield wrote:
Don't forget the Windows doesn't actually run very well on Zeds. I'd say
doesn't run, but someone here will stick his hand up and say, I've
done it.
Yea, done that in bochs :-)
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accumulator patterns in the proper DEC colors. Includes REAL Emacs, and
most of the DEC languages (Bliss, C, COBOL, Fortran, etc) that survived.
As they used to say Bliss is ignorance ;)
I have it running on my handheld -- full-on OPCOM and Galaxy batch in a
shirt pocket. Now that's personal
One of my personal fantasies is to run zOS under Hercules on an OQO.
Licensing issues aside, THAT would be cool!
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Alan Cox
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:18 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 11:24 AM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], David
Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-snip-
Multics actually has a good PL/1 compiler; it's the hardware emulator
that needs work.
When I heard that the Multics source code had been released, and that it
included a PL/I
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Post
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:59 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris
running on Systemz
snip
Free speech is a good thing but
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 1:44 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jay Maynard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-snip-
Has anyone gotten Linux running on it? I'm not interested in a Windows box,
but if it ran Linux, I'd buy one just to run Hercules on for the cool
factor.
It would appear a number of
On Friday, 11/30/2007 at 12:59 EST, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No one said anything like this,until you did just now. From my
perspective,
this appears to be a threat against Rob, which is clearly unacceptable.
Stop
it. I'm copying the owner of this list so he can look and make his
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 3:40 AM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Rob van der Heij
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-snip-
I have a vague recollection that you also need to install the
additional packages that ship the source of assorted kernel modules
(like vmcp for example). Admitted my most intimate
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The Ubuntu Server :
The system administrator crowds, easily irritable and feisty by nature, were
greatly annoyed:
They procliamed Ubuntu was just a desktop Distribution and sauntered back to
their caves in contempt.
Luckily, the sentiment is just that.. a MYTH.
Ubuntu is a
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