Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Shane G
And which real address 0 might that be ?. Remembering that most people will be running as a guest under a hipervisor (z/VM) running second level under another hipervisor (PR/SM). I note our German maintainers have been conspicuously quiet Shane ... On Thu, Mar 17th, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Mark Post

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Shane G ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: And which real address 0 might that be ?. Remembering that most people will be running as a guest under a hipervisor (z/VM) running second level under another  hipervisor (PR/SM). And when? At any given time, each virtual

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Heiko Carstens
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 01:40:36PM -0500, Mark Wheeler wrote: Greetings all, Is there a way to tell externally (command or otherwise) where the zLinux kernel is loaded in memory? The kernel gets loaded to address absolute zero and uses a 1:1 mapping for virtual to physical pages. /proc/iomem

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Shane G
As Rob pointed out, good luck trying to figure what that actually resolves to hardware-wise. Shane ... On Thu, Mar 17th, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Heiko Carstens wrote: The kernel gets loaded to address absolute zero ... -- For

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Richard Troth
Originally, the kernel loaded at real addr 64k. That is the default for Linux on most platforms. But you could change that, and for 1M alignment, some do so on S/390. Going with mapped memory, it sounds like absolute zero is the virtual pref for kernel space. Cool. Easily handled in all virt

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Martin Schwidefsky
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:46:18 +0100 Heiko Carstens heiko.carst...@de.ibm.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 01:40:36PM -0500, Mark Wheeler wrote: Greetings all, Is there a way to tell externally (command or otherwise) where the zLinux kernel is loaded in memory? The kernel gets loaded

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Richard Gasiorowski
Martin is correct Richard (Gaz) Gasiorowski Solution Architect CSC 3170 Fairview Park Dr., Falls Church, VA 22042 845-889-8533|Work|845-392-7889 Cell|rgasi...@csc.com|www.csc.com This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 03/17/2011 at 08:28 EDT, Richard Gasiorowski rgasi...@csc.com wrote: Martin is correct LOL! That goes without saying ;-) Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile;

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Richard Gasiorowski
So I suppose I wasted my time heh? thx for the update Alan - will remember not to add my two cents in the future Richard (Gaz) Gasiorowski Solution Architect CSC 3170 Fairview Park Dr., Falls Church, VA 22042 845-889-8533|Work|845-392-7889 Cell|rgasi...@csc.com|www.csc.com This is a PRIVATE

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 03/17/2011 at 02:55 EDT, Shane G ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: And which real address 0 might that be ?. Remembering that most people will be running as a guest under a hipervisor (z/VM) running second level under another hipervisor (PR/SM). That's a difference that makes no

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread David Boyes
Perspective is everything. Perspective is offset 33 degrees left or right of horizontal. Depending on where the vanishing point is supposed to be. 8-) -- db (who says art classes are not useful in technical jobs? 8-)) -- For

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Carsten Otte
Quote: I note our German maintainers have been conspicuously quiet Allright, so here's the short answer to the original question. You can build the kernel with either a tape or a card reader boot loader. When you IPL that, it gets loaded into guest real memory starting from address 0. However, if

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread RPN01
An obvious question that no one has bothered to ask as yet: What is the problem you're trying to solve with this? Or, why do you want to know where the kernel loads, and what will you gain from it? Too many times, users or other people (programmers, other sysadmins, ...) come to us with a

lun multipathing / file system

2011-03-17 Thread Rogério Soares
People, Apparently, i have the same problem describe in this old thread ( http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/linux-390@vm.marist.edu/12394163.html ) i have try setting up lvm.conf like suggest to use filter like : filter = [ a|/dev/mapper/*|,r|/dev/sd*|,r|/dev/.*/by-path/.*|,

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Wheeler
Bob, No, the question was asked previously, but I chose to ignore it. For one, because it would take way too long to explain adequately, and also that the thread would quickly expand exponentially. Quick answer: we have an app that sees elongated response times on the first transaction of

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Re: lun multipathing / file system

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Post
On 3/17/2011 at 12:49 PM, Rogério Soaresrogerio.soa...@gmail.com wrote: People, Apparently, i have the same problem describe in this old thread ( http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/linux-390@vm.marist.edu/12394163.html ) i have try setting up lvm.conf like suggest to use filter

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Marcy Cortes
Mark, is this WAS? Is it possible it involves the heap? (BTDT :) Marcy -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Wheeler Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 9:56 AM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Where is kernel

Re: lun multipathing / file system

2011-03-17 Thread Rogério Soares
Mark, sorry for long post, but, i modify the filter to: filter = [ r|/dev/.*/by-path/.*|, r|/dev/.*/by-id/.*|, a|/dev/mapper/*|, a/.*/ ] this way, all file systems are remount ok after boot.. but i confess, i can't understand the output from vgscan -vvv , appears all the same to be...

Re: lun multipathing / file system

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Post
On 3/17/2011 at 01:43 PM, Rogério Soaresrogerio.soa...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, sorry for long post, but, i modify the filter to: filter = [ r|/dev/.*/by-path/.*|, r|/dev/.*/by-id/.*|, a|/dev/mapper/*|, a/.*/ ] this way, all file systems are remount ok after boot.. but i

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Wheeler
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:22:35 -0500 From: marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com Subject: Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory? To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Mark, is this WAS? Is it possible it involves the heap? (BTDT :) Marcy MQ Broker.

Re: lun multipathing / file system

2011-03-17 Thread Rogério Soares
here is output with de filter suggest by Deric.. dtsh101:~ # vgscan -vvv Processing: vgscan -vvv O_DIRECT will be used Setting global/locking_type to 1 File-based locking selected. Setting global/locking_dir to /var/lock/lvm Wiping cache of LVM-capable

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Wheeler
MQ Broker. Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:22:35 -0500 From: marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com Subject: Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory? To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Mark, is this WAS? Is it possible it involves the heap? (BTDT :) Marcy

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread David Kreuter
Have you considered SET RESERVE for this guest? What about expanded storage tweaks/increase? David Original Message Subject: Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory? From: Mark Wheeler mwheele...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, March 17, 2011 2:11 pm To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU MQ Broker.

Re: lun multipathing / file system

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Post
On 3/17/2011 at 02:09 PM, Rogério Soaresrogerio.soa...@gmail.com wrote: here is output with de filter suggest by Deric.. From the looks of this, you didn't modify the scan parameter in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf as he did. Personally, I don't think what he did was strictly necessary, although it

Re: Cups, Samba, and Usernames

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Post
On 3/15/2011 at 06:06 PM, Lester, Doug dles...@harryanddavid.com wrote: Hi Mark, Unfortunately, the user still shows up as guest. I guess my next question is whether the users are going through Samba at all, or hitting the printer via CUPS on HTTP port 631. When I look at my wife's

Re: lun multipathing / file system

2011-03-17 Thread Rogério Soares
Mark, i set up the filter recommend, add dm-multipath on /etc/sysconfig/kernel INITRD_MODULES section.. made mkinitrd -f mpath and reboote... but now my server dead :) we are using / on dasd disk any tips? thanks again sdc: Write Protect is off SCSI device sdc: drive cache: write back SCSI

Re: lun multipathing / file system

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Post
On 3/17/2011 at 03:33 PM, Rogério Soaresrogerio.soa...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, i set up the filter recommend, add dm-multipath on /etc/sysconfig/kernel INITRD_MODULES section.. made mkinitrd -f mpath and reboote... but now my server dead :) we are using / on dasd disk any tips? Yeah,

Re: lun multipathing / file system

2011-03-17 Thread Rogério Soares
Mark, just to learn something new today, except how to kill a server hehehe, i can recover this without reinstall? i have tried boot with kernel failsafe, but don't work too... On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Mark Post mp...@novell.com wrote: On 3/17/2011 at 03:33 PM, Rogério

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Wheeler
Yes to both. The fundamental problem is one of expectations. One of z/VM's strengths is that it virtualizes storage. While that means storage can be overcommitted, it also means that unused storage gets paged out. Alas, some of that storage needs to get paged back in when the server awakens.

Re: lun multipathing / file system

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Post
On 3/17/2011 at 03:54 PM, Rogério Soaresrogerio.soa...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, just to learn something new today, except how to kill a server hehehe, i can recover this without reinstall? i have tried boot with kernel failsafe, but don't work too... Boot the system with the installation

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Marcy Cortes
When you have some memory intensive night time activities, like say scanning checks in cron jobs, or heavy batch stuff, these things happen. We added more memory :(, although lowering the heap size did help some. Anyway you can prime the pump (script to touch your pages in a cron job?)? Marcy

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Post
On 3/17/2011 at 04:47 PM, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: When you have some memory intensive night time activities, like say scanning checks in cron jobs, or heavy batch stuff, these things happen. We added more memory :(, although lowering the heap size did help some.

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread RPN01
Could you set up a cron job / set of cron jobs to go out and wake things up in the morning before things actually start to get busy? Take the edge off starting things up? -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OC-1-18 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844

Re: Cups, Samba, and Usernames

2011-03-17 Thread Lester, Doug
Mark, On the printer test page, the printer name is \\techlnux\MF_PRT6-7 and the port name is Samba Printer Port. The same is true in Windows Explorer. So, I am assuming it is using samba. Doug -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark

Re: Cups, Samba, and Usernames

2011-03-17 Thread David Boyes
On the printer test page, the printer name is \\techlnux\MF_PRT6-7 and the port name is Samba Printer Port. The same is true in Windows Explorer. So, I am assuming it is using samba. Doug, Just for grins, go to one of the Windows boxes and try defining a printer like this: When it asks

Re: Where is kernel loaded in memory?

2011-03-17 Thread Shane G
And another good thread was had by all. Whilst I suspect the initial question was in no way related to the problem observed, the asking elucidated some fine information on the zSeries port for those of us with a morbid fascination in such matters. Thanks to all. Shane ...

WebSphere Application Server in a z/VM DCSS

2011-03-17 Thread Mark Post
Speaking of good threads, there is a new white paper available on the above topic at http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/WP101860 Abstract: This paper will attempt to answer the question: *Does it make sense for me to run WebSphere* Application Server in a z/VM* DCSS