Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-17 Thread David Boyes
Oracle is apparently closing down their support for OpenSolaris. In fairness to them, they are closing down support for their own binary distribution of OpenSolaris (eponymously and confusingly named). They still refuse to make any official public statement on the future of the OpenSolaris

Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-17 Thread David Boyes
I was taught it was pronouced something like: wa lay. The latin v is more like a w sound. Also (like Greek), the emphasis is on the penultimate syllable, moving to ultimate syllable if the statement is an imperative (if I remember correctly).

vale openSolaris

2010-08-16 Thread Shane
Any comments from this august assemblage ?. I suppose David has more reason than most to feel umbrage. I kept wanting to get involved (non-z), but didn't see the effort being rewarded long-term. Even the devs that were at the kernel conference I was on when the acquisition was (formally)

Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-16 Thread David Boyes
-- they don't own all the rights to it (for once, the CDDL actually does something positive). OpenSolaris on Z is still engaged, but at a much reduced priority while we see what plays out. The Illumos/Nexenta effort appears to be serious enough to merit additional discussion of what to do next -- at least

Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-16 Thread Dave Jones
Could someone expound a bit on what vale openSolaris refers to, for those of us that don't follow Oracle/Sun that closely? A Google search turns up little of use. Thanks. On 08/16/2010 09:26 AM, David Boyes wrote: Any comments from this august assemblage ?. I suppose David has more reason than

Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-16 Thread van Sleeuwen, Berry
I did see a news item on a (dutch) website where it states that Oracle stops the OpenSolaris in favor of the new Solaris 11. It also points to a memo on http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2010-August/05 9310.html (obviously this memo is in English). Regards, Berry

Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-16 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:26 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: vale openSolaris Could someone expound a bit on what vale openSolaris refers to, for those of us

Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-16 Thread Dave Jones
Thanks for the note, JohnI knew I should have taken Latin in school instead of that FORTRAN IV course. The leaked memo that Berry v S. points to sheds more light on the issue..in short, at Oracle the open source development model has now been axed and OpenSolaris is officially now dead

Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-16 Thread Larry Ploetz
On 8/16/10 7:41 AM, McKown, John wrote: vale is Latin for goodbye. Oracle is apparently closing down their support for OpenSolaris. Oracle does not appear to believe the open software is of much importance. They don't seem to have much interest that I can see in Java either. And suing Google

Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-16 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Larry Ploetz Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:47 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: vale openSolaris On 8/16/10 7:41 AM, McKown, John wrote: vale is Latin for goodbye. Oracle

Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-16 Thread Larry Ploetz
On 8/16/10 10:52 AM, McKown, John wrote: I was taught it was pronouced something like: wa lay. The latin v is more like a w sound. Oh, like waylay: to lie in wait for or attack from ambush. Are you saying Oracle has untoward intentions ?!? ;-) - Larry

Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-16 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Larry Ploetz Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:08 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: vale openSolaris On 8/16/10 10:52 AM, McKown, John wrote: I was taught it was pronouced

Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-16 Thread Rodger Donaldson
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 09:41:10AM -0500, McKown, John wrote: vale is Latin for goodbye. Oracle is apparently closing down their support for OpenSolaris. Oracle does not appear to believe the open software is of much importance. They don't seem to have much interest that I can see in Java

Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-16 Thread Rodger Donaldson
rather than buying the terrible J2SE JVM (which Sun never open sourced), Google have stolen Sunacle's valuable intellectual property. Correcting an error between brain and fingers: that should, of course, read Terrible J2ME JVM. -- Rodger Donaldsonrodg...@diaspora.gen.nz

Re: OpenSolaris and Luminex

2009-09-23 Thread Agblad Tore
Don't know about that gateway, but OpenSolaris on zSeries is a real beta. Not useful for production. It boots yes, but uses a lot of cpu and generates tons of errormessages. There is obviously some work left to do. Cordialement / Vriendelijke Groeten / Best Regards / Med Vänliga Hälsningar Tore

Re: OpenSolaris and Luminex

2009-09-23 Thread David Boyes
Is OpenSolaris on zLinux viable or is it still in early development? Well, we think so. It's been very stable so far. It's available, with support, etc. Drop me a note offlist and let's see what can be done. -- db

OpenSolaris and Luminex

2009-09-22 Thread Bernie Saward
Gateway' is normally configured on a Sun server running Solaris - I am not sure what they use for physical channel attachment. I'm wondering if there is any merit on this software being ported to zLinux and OpenSolaris - we already have the mainframe and real FICON channels. Is OpenSolaris

Build 100 of OpenSolaris for System z available for download.

2009-03-30 Thread David Boyes
The system images for build 100 of OpenSolaris for System z are available for download from: http://distribution.sinenomine.net/opensolaris Three packaging choices are available: VMARC, AWSTAPE and a DVD image. There is also a tarball containing gcc 4.3.3 which will install in /usr/local. All

OpenSolaris for System z IPL

2008-11-04 Thread Livio Sousa
Hi Guys, I decided to install an OpenSolaris in IBM System zCenter in Brazil. I made the installations procedures but I can't IPL the Sirius. When I try to IPL the RAMDISK I receive these messages: 17:31:34 * MSG FROM SOLDIST : panicفcpu0¨/thread=264200: 17:31:34 * MSG FROM SOLDIST : BAD

Re: OpenSolaris for System z IPL

2008-11-04 Thread David Boyes
17:31:34 * MSG FROM SOLDIST : panicفcpu0¨/thread=264200: 17:31:34 * MSG FROM SOLDIST : BAD TRAP: type=6 ctx=261dd0 addr=68062e98 You need to apply VM64466 to your VM system. See page 2 of the install guide. -- For

Re: OpenSolaris for System z IPL

2008-11-04 Thread Livio Sousa
I believe that this APAR is already installed: service all status VM64466 VMFSRV2760I SERVICE processing started VMFSRV1226I CP (5VMCPR30%CP) APAR VM64466 (PTF UM32482) status: VMFSRV1226IRECEIVED 11/03/08 18:43:28 VMFSRV1226IAPPLIED 11/03/08 18:43:32 VMFSRV1226IBUILT 11/03/08

Re: OpenSolaris for System z IPL

2008-11-04 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Livio Sousa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: q cplevel z/VM Version 5 Release 3.0, service level 0701 (64-bit) Generated at 05/29/07 23:21:12 BDT IPL at 04/25/08 12:58:27 BDT Ready; T=0.01/0.01 18:51:30 The RSU level is not uptodate, do you believe that this can be

Re: OpenSolaris for System z IPL

2008-11-04 Thread Adam Thornton
On Nov 4, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Livio Sousa wrote: The RSU level is not uptodate, do you believe that this can be the problem? Any another idea? This is a z9 or z10? If not, you're going to have the same result. Adam -- For

Re: OpenSolaris for System z IPL

2008-11-04 Thread Livio Sousa
It's a z9 and I did NOT IPL the system after the service. Thanks for the help. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Nov 4, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Livio Sousa wrote: The RSU level is not uptodate, do you believe that this can be the problem? Any another idea?

OpenSolaris for System z finally available for download...

2008-10-14 Thread David Boyes
We've finally received all the clearances necessary, and the system images for build 95 of OpenSolaris for System z are finally available for download from http://distribution.sinenomine.net/opensolaris. 3 packaging choices are available: VMARC, AWSTAPE and a DVD image. All three

Re: Sol-390 mailing list created to discuss OpenSolaris for System z

2008-10-02 Thread Harold Grovesteen
created to discuss the forthcoming availability of the OpenSolaris port for System z. We're very, very close, and if you're interested in the topic, I'd strongly encourage you to subscribe. The process for signing up for the mailing list is the same as signing up for the Linux-390 mailing list; send

Re: Sol-390 mailing list created to discuss OpenSolaris for System z

2008-10-02 Thread Rich Smrcina
I actually had to request access twice, so try again. -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 Harold

Re: Sol-390 mailing list created to discuss OpenSolaris for System z

2008-10-02 Thread David Boyes
I don't see your address on the list (although apparently half the IBM Corporation is -- sheesh.) Give it another try and see if you see it. The www interface should be the same as the linux-390 list -- it's hosted on the same server. You can get archives by sending INDEX SOL-390 to [EMAIL

Early draft of architecture and porting guide for OpenSolaris on Z available

2008-10-01 Thread John Campbell
it with Hercules? Or is openSolaris unable to run on the bare metal as yet? -soup -- John R. Campbell Speaker to Machines souperb at gmail dot com MacOS X proved it was easier to make Unix user-friendly than to fix Windows

Re: Early draft of architecture and porting guide for OpenSolaris on Z available

2008-10-01 Thread Neale Ferguson
, one jarring note: Sirius? Huh? Is this an obscure-- or not so obscure-- reference to the infamous Sirius Cybernetics Company? Fortunately, it is hard to Share and Enjoy when none of the downloads are present... I wonder if anyone will bundle it with Hercules? Or is openSolaris unable

Re: Early draft of architecture and porting guide for OpenSolaris on Z available

2008-10-01 Thread Rich Smrcina
OpenSolaris will only run under z/VM. -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 John Campbell wrote: I dipt

Re: Early draft of architecture and porting guide for OpenSolaris on Z available

2008-10-01 Thread Adam Thornton
On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:59 AM, John Campbell wrote: I dipt my fingers into the flow... However, one jarring note: Sirius? Neale answered that. I wonder if anyone will bundle it with Hercules? Or is openSolaris unable to run on the bare metal as yet? It will not run on bare metal

Early draft of architecture and porting guide for OpenSolaris on Z available

2008-10-01 Thread John Campbell
Neale, Ahhh... but could you have picked something other than Canis Majoris (the Dog Star)??? Solaris for x86 already gets snarky remarks as being pronounced Slolaris... (smirks) Spica, maybe? See: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080930.html (sighs) Won't run on bare metal, eh? Oh,

Re: Early draft of architecture and porting guide for OpenSolaris on Z available

2008-10-01 Thread David Boyes
? Or is openSolaris unable to run on the bare metal as yet? We aren't planning to make it run on the metal; it's intended to be a z/VM guest. If someone gets a wild hair and decides to do it, good for them. Java is the next big evil scientist task. Let's move this discussion over to the sol-390 mailing list. It's

Re: Early draft of architecture and porting guide for OpenSolaris on Z available

2008-10-01 Thread David Boyes
a VM guest) are probably somewhat questionable on Z in the first place if you need more than just data proximity. The z10 helps, but it's a bigger question of infrastructure and data management. The other goal of the z/VM orientation of the OpenSolaris port was to truly get the virtualization

Re: Early draft of architecture and porting guide for OpenSolaris on Z available

2008-10-01 Thread John McKown
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Adam Thornton wrote: snip It will not run on bare metal. Hercules would need to implement DIAGS 24, 64, 210, 250, and 2A8 in order for OpenSolaris to run. Of those, all but 2A8 are documented. I do not know whether IBM plans to document 2A8, although it is available

Re: Early draft of architecture and porting guide for OpenSolaris on Z available

2008-10-01 Thread Adam Thornton
On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:10 AM, John McKown wrote: Of those, all but 2A8 are documented. I do not know whether IBM plans to document 2A8, although it is available now for z/VM 5.3 as a PTF and will be available for z/VM 5.4 later this year. Adam Wouldn't the use of 2A8 in OpenSolaris

Early draft of architecture and porting guide for OpenSolaris on Z available

2008-09-29 Thread David Boyes
An early draft of the architecture and porting guide for OpenSolaris for Z is available from distribution.sinenomine.net. It covers the release 95 build. This is a draft, so there will be a few changes yet, but comments and corrections are always welcome. File is at http

Sol-390 mailing list created to discuss OpenSolaris for System z

2008-08-20 Thread David Boyes
To avoid dragging these two lists off-topic constantly, by grace of the fine people at Marist College, a mailing list called sol-390 has been created to discuss the forthcoming availability of the OpenSolaris port for System z. We're very, very close, and if you're interested in the topic, I'd

OpenSolaris on System z [Was: re: Java on zLinux]

2008-03-17 Thread Jeff Savit
Hi Harold, Harold Grovesteen wrote: While not much has been shared publicly on the topic of virtualization of OpenSolaris on System z by the participants (and it could be argued as off topic), what little has been shared seems to get posted here. There are clearly some opinions about what

Re: OpenSolaris on System z [Was: re: Java on zLinux]

2008-03-17 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 03/17/2008 at 08:45 EDT, Jeff Savit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said, I don't think one should look to Sun Microsystems for great enthusiasm about OpenSolaris on System z as a commercial product or as an attractive venue for running Solaris. Without being partisan - this list

Re: OpenSolaris on System Z live at SHARE in Orlando

2008-02-20 Thread Mark Post
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 3:52 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Of course it is OpenSolaris on System z. Eventually (by the time I retire) I will get people to spell our product names right. :-) . I'm not betting on it. It hasn't happened so

Re: OpenSolaris on System Z live at SHARE in Orlando

2008-02-20 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Feb 20, 2008 10:20 AM, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not betting on it. It hasn't happened so far, and it's been about 7 or 8 years. So how many different names did we have in 8 years.. and I would not even be surprised if IBM now would start to use a product name that we already

Re: OpenSolaris on System Z live at SHARE in Orlando

2008-02-20 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Mark Post On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Jim Elliott wrote: -snip- Of course it is OpenSolaris on System z. Eventually (by the time I retire) I will get people to spell our product names right. :-) . I'm

OpenSolaris on System Z live at SHARE in Orlando

2008-02-19 Thread David Boyes
For those of you who have been following the saga of bringing OpenSolaris to System Z, I'm pleased to say that those of you coming to SHARE in Orlando will get a chance to get your hands on it live. IBM has allowed us to put a few copies of the virtual machine on the z9 in their booth, and we'll

Re: OpenSolaris on System Z live at SHARE in Orlando

2008-02-19 Thread Jim Elliott
For those of you who have been following the saga of bringing OpenSolaris to System Z, I'm pleased to say that those of you coming to SHARE in Orlando will get a chance to get your hands on it live. IBM has allowed us to put a few copies of the virtual machine on the z9 in their booth

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-12-04 Thread David Boyes
David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Still, if Microsoft were to offer me a reasonable sum of money to do it, I'd seriously think about it. Why shouldn't it run under z/VM? ... after all, all the other cool operating systems are doing it...8-) Because Certain Things are Just Evil.

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-12-04 Thread Adam Thornton
On Dec 4, 2007, at 3:02 PM, David Boyes wrote: David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Still, if Microsoft were to offer me a reasonable sum of money to do it, I'd seriously think about it. Why shouldn't it run under z/VM? ... after all, all the other cool operating systems are doing

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Nov 30, 2007 12:41 AM, Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ snip ] The excessive number of blank lines in your post are to me by far the most informative part of your contribution to this thread. Rob -- For LINUX-390

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Evans, Kevin R
Little piddley PC - handheld. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:39 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz On Fri, Nov 30

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz: oqo

2007-11-30 Thread Hall, Ken (GTI)
-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz: oqo On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 1:44 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jay Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Has anyone gotten Linux running on it? I'm not interested in a Windows box

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz: oqo

2007-11-30 Thread John Summerfield
Rich Smrcina wrote: If you do a Google search on Linux OQO you'll get a bunch of hits. Puppy Linux, Ubuntu and some others. Last year a guy at the bowling alley was playing with one, pretty cool! I think Puppy's quite small, and then there's DSL. Imagine someone turning up at a job

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Eric Gericke
parsimonious thrift!!! - Original Message - From: John Summerfield To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:21:46 +0900 McKown, John wrote: Many object to the phrase kill list

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Is that a threat? Seems to me something _I_ don't understand here. I didn't, either. But, the discussion was getting dicey! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access

OpenSolaris Follows Linux to the Mainframe

2007-11-30 Thread Rich Smrcina
http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9826527-39.html -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2008 - Chattanooga - April 18-22, 2008

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz: oqo

2007-11-30 Thread John Summerfield
John Summerfield wrote: Rich Smrcina wrote: If you do a Google search on Linux OQO you'll get a bunch of hits. Puppy Linux, Ubuntu and some others. Last year a guy at the bowling alley was playing with one, pretty cool! I think Puppy's quite small, and then there's DSL. Imagine someone

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread John Summerfield
Ivan Warren wrote: The day I showed that to some IBM person, he kind of freaked out.. Not because I was running hercules.. But because I was running VM on a *HP* branded machine[1] ;) --Ivan [1] In retrospect, I now realize how gross that was ! yeah, should have been a Fujitsu-branded

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz: oqo

2007-11-30 Thread Rich Smrcina
If you do a Google search on Linux OQO you'll get a bunch of hits. Puppy Linux, Ubuntu and some others. Last year a guy at the bowling alley was playing with one, pretty cool! Jay Maynard wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 01:30:49PM -0500, Gentry, Stephen wrote: Mark, goto oqo.com I didn't

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz: oqo

2007-11-30 Thread Adam Thornton
On Nov 30, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Jay Maynard wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 01:30:49PM -0500, Gentry, Stephen wrote: Mark, goto oqo.com I didn't know such a device existed, but it was inevitable that it would. Yeah, it would be pretty neat with it running Hercules and then a mainframe os Has

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz: oqo

2007-11-30 Thread Jay Maynard
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 01:30:49PM -0500, Gentry, Stephen wrote: Mark, goto oqo.com I didn't know such a device existed, but it was inevitable that it would. Yeah, it would be pretty neat with it running Hercules and then a mainframe os Has anyone gotten Linux running on it? I'm not

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz: oqo

2007-11-30 Thread Gentry, Stephen
Mark, goto oqo.com I didn't know such a device existed, but it was inevitable that it would. Yeah, it would be pretty neat with it running Hercules and then a mainframe os Steve G. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff /

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Mark Post
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 8:36 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hall, Ken (GTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my personal fantasies is to run zOS under Hercules on an OQO. What's an OQO? I haven't seen that name before. Mark Post

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread David Boyes
But first we would need a really good PL/I compiler, which in itself, is not a bad thing. I would really like to have a reasonable alternative to C for implementing things in Linux, for all of the reasons plus some, that DB mentions below. Multics actually has a good PL/1 compiler; it's the

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Anton Britz
Hi, I am here... just busy doing some real work but I would answer some questions quickly : a) What am doing on this list ? We are running Susse Linux on a Z box and we are also runiing Linux on Servers... and gradually phasing Microsoft out.. Even at home I am phasing Linux-Mce in but it's

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of John Summerfield McKown, John wrote: Many object to the phrase kill list that is often used by people to describe email which is automatically deleted upon reception. I once got a very strong email for using the

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread John Summerfield
Eric Gericke wrote: parsimonious thrift!!! That's not the primary meaning here, and the whole point. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread John Summerfield
McKown, John wrote: Many object to the phrase kill list that is often used by people to describe email which is automatically deleted upon reception. I once got a very strong email for using the phrase twit list. Apparently that word is much stronger in other parts of the world than it is here

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread David Boyes
accumulator patterns in the proper DEC colors. Includes REAL Emacs, and most of the DEC languages (Bliss, C, COBOL, Fortran, etc) that survived. As they used to say Bliss is ignorance ;) On the other hand, at least it (Bliss) actually shipped to customers (vis a vis PL/S). You could fix the

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Free speech is a good thing but if you do not agree with me, it does not imply that you are a terrorist and should be bombed/killed... even if you are in another Continent. Is that a threat? Do you not get it? Nobody is truly interested in your posts! - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Mark Post
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 11:46 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- b) Why do I have spaces in my email and lets debate the spaces in my email ? I am not going here because this should not be relevant to the debate and hopefully, I do not get

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Carsten Otte
Dave Jones wrote: But first we would need a really good PL/I compiler, which in itself, is not a bad thing. I would really like to have a reasonable alternative to C for implementing things in Linux, for all of the reasons plus some, that DB mentions below. http://pl1gcc.sourceforge.net/

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Ivan Warren
Alan Cox wrote: I used to have Hercules running on an IBM PC-110 (handheld PC). Not terribly useful but very good for This is the new S/390 portable mind games with sales people. I did something similar sometime ago.. Had a stripped down version (S/370 only) of hercules running on an iPaq

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Mark Perry
Dave Jones wrote: But first we would need a really good PL/I compiler, which in itself, is not a bad thing. I would really like to have a reasonable alternative to C for implementing things in Linux, for all of the reasons plus some, that DB mentions below. Dave, I think they are looking for

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Dave Jones
But first we would need a really good PL/I compiler, which in itself, is not a bad thing. I would really like to have a reasonable alternative to C for implementing things in Linux, for all of the reasons plus some, that DB mentions below. David Boyes wrote: Yeah, I was going to mention that.

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Evans, Kevin R
: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz On Thursday, 11/29/2007 at 06:42 EST, Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the explanation but my background is IBM and maybe I am still trying to get use to the need to change everything to a Hierarchal file structure

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. -- Galileo Galilei -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 15:44 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread John Summerfield
Ted MacNEIL wrote: Free speech is a good thing but if you do not agree with me, it does not imply that you are a terrorist and should be bombed/killed... even if you are in another Continent. Is that a threat? Seems to me something _I_ don't understand here. -- Cheers John -- spambait

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Adam Thornton On Nov 29, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Anton Britz wrote: In the mean time, we have to gradually interlace Linux with zOS, duplicate Scheduling software, Accounting packages etc. because IBM and zOS has failed us.

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Carsten Otte
John Summerfield wrote: Don't forget the Windows doesn't actually run very well on Zeds. I'd say doesn't run, but someone here will stick his hand up and say, I've done it. Yea, done that in bochs :-) -- For LINUX-390

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Alan Cox
accumulator patterns in the proper DEC colors. Includes REAL Emacs, and most of the DEC languages (Bliss, C, COBOL, Fortran, etc) that survived. As they used to say Bliss is ignorance ;) I have it running on my handheld -- full-on OPCOM and Galaxy batch in a shirt pocket. Now that's personal

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Hall, Ken (GTI)
: [LINUX-390] Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz accumulator patterns in the proper DEC colors. Includes REAL Emacs, and most of the DEC languages (Bliss, C, COBOL, Fortran, etc) that survived. As they used to say Bliss is ignorance ;) I have it running on my handheld

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Mark Post
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 11:24 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Multics actually has a good PL/1 compiler; it's the hardware emulator that needs work. When I heard that the Multics source code had been released, and that it included a PL/I

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz snip Free speech is a good thing

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz: oqo

2007-11-30 Thread Mark Post
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 1:44 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jay Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Has anyone gotten Linux running on it? I'm not interested in a Windows box, but if it ran Linux, I'd buy one just to run Hercules on for the cool factor. It would appear a number of

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-30 Thread Alan Altmark
On Friday, 11/30/2007 at 12:59 EST, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one said anything like this,until you did just now. From my perspective, this appears to be a threat against Rob, which is clearly unacceptable. Stop it. I'm copying the owner of this list so he can look and make his

Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on System z

2007-11-29 Thread Evans, Kevin R
Nice to see a face to David Boyes, having seen him post numerous times. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:33 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Demo of OpenSolaris running on System z

Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on System z

2007-11-29 Thread Hall, Ken (GTI)
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:29 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Demo of OpenSolaris running on System z On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 06:36 -0500, Evans, Kevin R wrote: Nice to see a face to David Boyes, having seen him post numerous times. Look here for more monitor abuse

Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on System z

2007-11-29 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 06:36 -0500, Evans, Kevin R wrote: Nice to see a face to David Boyes, having seen him post numerous times. Look here for more monitor abuse: http://linuxvm.org/community/index.html -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on System z

2007-11-29 Thread Mark Post
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 6:36 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice to see a face to David Boyes, having seen him post numerous times. I agree, it's always nice to be able to put a face with a name. Which is why http://linuxvm.org/community/ is there.

Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on System z

2007-11-29 Thread Mark Post
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 9:38 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hall, Ken (GTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wore wrist braces because of carpal tunnel problems. Hope he's doing better with that. I haven't seen any on him lately, so I suspect he is. Mark Post

Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on System z

2007-11-29 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 09:38 -0500, Hall, Ken (GTI) wrote: Nice guy, very smart. How about that! Who would have guessed that the cinnamon roll guy also knows a thing or two about computers? A real renaissance man. -- For

Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on System z

2007-11-29 Thread Jon Brock
That gave me a real shock: due to the order in which my browser loaded the images the first thing I saw was Marcy Cortes' picture . . . labeled Oliver Benke. Jon snip Look here for more monitor abuse: http://linuxvm.org/community/index.html /snip

Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-29 Thread Pieter Harder
I had a look at the scoundrels gallery and apart from the wonderfull people in Boeblingen the only one I could identify as certifyably European is Rob vd Heij. Are we that behind the times in Europe (or anywhere else in the world besides the US for that matter)??? No wonder it is hard to get

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-29 Thread Anton Britz
Maybe it's because zSeries and Linux in one sentence, is a contradiction of purpose. I have just read the History of Ubuntu and Linux is the answer to Open Source and no constant Upgrade fees but putting zSeries in the same sentence, nullifies the whole justification to play with another

Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on System z

2007-11-29 Thread David Boyes
David is clearly not having any fun... :) Indeed. What these videos *didn't* show was the complete laptop failure 30 minutes before the presentation was supposed to start, and the resulting panicking by various and sundry people (including me) while wiring up a replacement. I also was *not*

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-29 Thread Mark Pace
I must be totally brain-dead today. That makes no sense whatsoever. If I run zSeries, it's a contradiction to run Linux? I must not be parsing your sentence correctly. On Nov 29, 2007 3:32 PM, Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's because zSeries and Linux in one sentence, is a

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-29 Thread Mark Pace
On Nov 29, 2007 4:18 PM, Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you can call your self brain dead if you have not been part of the IBM world for the last 30 years but IBM makes money out of adding a few buttons to the same boxes/software every year and then they sell it back to their own

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-29 Thread John Summerfield
Mark Pace wrote: The reason why the market is moving to Linux is precisely because of the constant Upgrade fees of IBM/Microsoft. Maybe 1 of the reasons. There are many others. Better OS than Microsoft, more secure than Microsoft. Does a better job, for certain workloads. Don't forget

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-29 Thread Mark Post
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 3:32 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's because zSeries and Linux in one sentence, is a contradiction of purpose. You couldn't be more wrong. Are you sure you're not Ed Gould posting under a different name? He was

Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz

2007-11-29 Thread Anton Britz
Yes, you can call your self brain dead if you have not been part of the IBM world for the last 30 years but IBM makes money out of adding a few buttons to the same boxes/software every year and then they sell it back to their own customers. So now you want to run Linux on an IBM box ? The

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