Re: I checked that it's not April 1
Hello! Actually yes. I definitely agree. - Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 7:14 PM Scott Rohling wrote: > > I believe those 'vendors' just became competitors ... in which case upset > isn't necessarily a bad state to have them in? > > Scott Rohling > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 6:26 PM Gregg Levine wrote: > > > Hello! > > And the CNCBC supplied money news for the 11AM news today included a > > friendly reporting on the whole business. Also one on Red Hat. And > > their opinion on why IBM wanted to buy (is buying, has already bought, > > etc) Red Hat. > > > > Ideally I agree with all of you that it is going to cause some upset > > amongst the other vendors. > > > > I'll leave out my opinions on the whole strange business. > > - > > Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com > > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 8:33 PM John Campbell wrote: > > > > > > And "The Register" plays catch-up: > > > > > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/28/ibm_redhat_acquisition/ > > > > > > Mixed feelings? > > > > > > -soup > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 3:20 PM Neale Ferguson > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://newsroom.ibm.com/2018-10-28-IBM-To-Acquire-Red-Hat-Completely-Changing-The-Cloud-Landscape-And-Becoming-Worlds-1-Hybrid-Cloud-Provider > > > > > > > > -- > > > > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 > > or > > > > visit > > > > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > > > -- > > > > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > > > > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > John R. Campbell Speaker to Machines souperb at gmail > > dot > > > com > > > MacOS X proved it was easier to make Unix user-friendly than to fix > > Windows > > > "It doesn't matter how well-crafted a system is to eliminate errors; > > > Regardless > > > of any and all checks and balances in place, all systems will fail > > because, > > > somewhere, there is meat in the loop." - me > > > > > > -- > > > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 > > or visit > > > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > > -- > > > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > > > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ > > > > -- > > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > > visit > > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > -- > > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ > > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: I checked that it's not April 1
I believe those 'vendors' just became competitors ... in which case upset isn't necessarily a bad state to have them in? Scott Rohling On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 6:26 PM Gregg Levine wrote: > Hello! > And the CNCBC supplied money news for the 11AM news today included a > friendly reporting on the whole business. Also one on Red Hat. And > their opinion on why IBM wanted to buy (is buying, has already bought, > etc) Red Hat. > > Ideally I agree with all of you that it is going to cause some upset > amongst the other vendors. > > I'll leave out my opinions on the whole strange business. > - > Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 8:33 PM John Campbell wrote: > > > > And "The Register" plays catch-up: > > > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/28/ibm_redhat_acquisition/ > > > > Mixed feelings? > > > > -soup > > > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 3:20 PM Neale Ferguson > wrote: > > > > > > > > > https://newsroom.ibm.com/2018-10-28-IBM-To-Acquire-Red-Hat-Completely-Changing-The-Cloud-Landscape-And-Becoming-Worlds-1-Hybrid-Cloud-Provider > > > > > > -- > > > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 > or > > > visit > > > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > > -- > > > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > > > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > John R. Campbell Speaker to Machines souperb at gmail > dot > > com > > MacOS X proved it was easier to make Unix user-friendly than to fix > Windows > > "It doesn't matter how well-crafted a system is to eliminate errors; > > Regardless > > of any and all checks and balances in place, all systems will fail > because, > > somewhere, there is meat in the loop." - me > > > > -- > > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 > or visit > > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > -- > > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: I checked that it's not April 1
Hello! And the CNCBC supplied money news for the 11AM news today included a friendly reporting on the whole business. Also one on Red Hat. And their opinion on why IBM wanted to buy (is buying, has already bought, etc) Red Hat. Ideally I agree with all of you that it is going to cause some upset amongst the other vendors. I'll leave out my opinions on the whole strange business. - Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 8:33 PM John Campbell wrote: > > And "The Register" plays catch-up: > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/28/ibm_redhat_acquisition/ > > Mixed feelings? > > -soup > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 3:20 PM Neale Ferguson wrote: > > > > > https://newsroom.ibm.com/2018-10-28-IBM-To-Acquire-Red-Hat-Completely-Changing-The-Cloud-Landscape-And-Becoming-Worlds-1-Hybrid-Cloud-Provider > > > > -- > > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > > visit > > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > -- > > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ > > > > > -- > John R. Campbell Speaker to Machines souperb at gmail dot > com > MacOS X proved it was easier to make Unix user-friendly than to fix Windows > "It doesn't matter how well-crafted a system is to eliminate errors; > Regardless > of any and all checks and balances in place, all systems will fail because, > somewhere, there is meat in the loop." - me > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: I checked that it's not April 1
And "The Register" plays catch-up: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/28/ibm_redhat_acquisition/ Mixed feelings? -soup On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 3:20 PM Neale Ferguson wrote: > > https://newsroom.ibm.com/2018-10-28-IBM-To-Acquire-Red-Hat-Completely-Changing-The-Cloud-Landscape-And-Becoming-Worlds-1-Hybrid-Cloud-Provider > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ > -- John R. Campbell Speaker to Machines souperb at gmail dot com MacOS X proved it was easier to make Unix user-friendly than to fix Windows "It doesn't matter how well-crafted a system is to eliminate errors; Regardless of any and all checks and balances in place, all systems will fail because, somewhere, there is meat in the loop." - me -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: I checked that it's not April 1
Look, I know this is "the" mainframe list for Linux. (chuckles) Let us not forget that Linux works rather nicely on pSeries, and, in fact, is pretty competent there. IIRC, Linux was able to handle changes to memory size before AIX could. Linux, without a specific buncha patches isn't as "real time" as AIX, though, with patches, it becomes a somewhat "harder" RealTime OS than AIX. Real Time Operating Systems _do_ p!ss away CPU cycles being aggressive about servicing interrupts more deeply each time one arrives-- i.e. "running the scheduler"-- and, for compute bound work, you lose a teeny amount of CPU throughput (this slice "depends" and is likely better reported by _someone_ out there) servicing interrupts. So, if you do _mostly_ I/O (and, lemme tell you, AIX has a very thin veneer of a Unix-like API wrapped around an I/O system just so it acts, vaguely, like a Unix system, which made Caldera's claim of Unix code move to Linux seem ludicrous) AIX is a "better" system for it, but, if you wanna do some honkin' serious number crunching, you'll run a Linux instance in a pSeries virtual instance. (The VIO engine for pSeries, as I recall, which is a bit dated, now, uses an AIX engine to manage the DASD. And, yeah, I miss this stuff.) So, really, RedHat covers a bunch of IBM's platforms. If there was any indication RedHat would de-emphasize any of IBM's platforms (be it Z or P or something far more covert) I could see IBM wanting to engulf and devour RedHat to protect the hardware investment from abandonment (kind of how Windows NT was originally on bot Intel and Alpha CPUs until Intel sucked up DEC's Alpha platform and let it fade out...). Am I surprised? Kind of. Is it a bad idea? Maybe yes, maybe no. (What of IBM's competitors dependent upon RedHat Linux? They're not going to want IBM able to interfere with them.) I guess it is fortunate Oracle (Sun) isn't really interested in putting up Linux LDOMs on their hardware. The only "real" Unix platforms these days are Oracle (Sun not-so-Microsystems-anymore) and HP/UX. AIX, to people as users, has the right look-and-feel, though, to an admin, it's a weird animal. So who will this acquisition most (expletive deleted)-off? -soup On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 2:39 PM David Boyes wrote: > On 10/29/18, 11:37 AM, "Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Mark Post" < > LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU on behalf of mp...@suse.com> wrote: > > I don't think that matches the reality of the market place, however, > considering that Red Hat's market share with mainframe customers has been > _far_ less than 50%. > > If you limit it to Z, true. I was thinking of the larger picture on all > architectures. Procurement people don't like extra work, and if they can > extend an existing agreement with a little work vs a whole new vendor, > they'll go with the existing agreement. IBM is a good example of that. > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ > -- John R. Campbell Speaker to Machines souperb at gmail dot com MacOS X proved it was easier to make Unix user-friendly than to fix Windows "It doesn't matter how well-crafted a system is to eliminate errors; Regardless of any and all checks and balances in place, all systems will fail because, somewhere, there is meat in the loop." - me -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: I checked that it's not April 1
On 10/29/18, 11:37 AM, "Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Mark Post" wrote: > I don't think that matches the reality of the market place, however, > considering that Red Hat's market share with mainframe customers has been > _far_ less than 50%. If you limit it to Z, true. I was thinking of the larger picture on all architectures. Procurement people don't like extra work, and if they can extend an existing agreement with a little work vs a whole new vendor, they'll go with the existing agreement. IBM is a good example of that. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: I checked that it's not April 1
>>> On 10/28/2018 at 09:00 PM, David Boyes wrote: -snip- > most of those traditional IBM customers preferred Red Hat because > they didn't have to think about it too much because it was like all their > other software license agreements. I don't think that matches the reality of the market place, however, considering that Red Hat's market share with mainframe customers has been _far_ less than 50%. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: I checked that it's not April 1
On 10/28/18, 6:42 PM, "Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Harder, Pieter" wrote: > In the past IBM has been extremely reluctant to outright own a Linux distro. > Likely for fear of alienating the Linux people by corporate behaviour. Why > now? My guess is that Red Hat probably is the most culturally compatible of the Linux distributors to IBM, and Red Hat's customer base overlaps the traditional IBM customer base to a great degree, so the retraining of salespeople would be minimal. It would be a smaller task to adapt IBM sales to the enterprise engagement and license model that Red Hat has traditionally used, and most of those traditional IBM customers preferred Red Hat because they didn't have to think about it too much because it was like all their other software license agreements. It's actually quite clever in that it extends the old, profitable model of enterprise hardware support and services that keeps the lights on at IBM and still buys them a seat at the cloud fantasy table with the kind of big guns IBM is used to having. Gives them a whole bunch of new customers to mine, plus a place back at the strategic center of a lot of old ones. HPE's hardware division would be another smart acquisition, particularly the Tandem stuff, and all of the VMS bits and bobs. There's a lot of possibility with something like zVMS. Hmm If you think about it, IBM's been trying to get credibility in the cloud market for a long time, and has pretty much failed to do so at most turns. If you can't beat em, buy them. Presto, cloud success, and all the higher-ups clock their bonuses. Wash, rinse, repeat. This finally relieves the development side of IBM from having to reinvent stuff that's already been done in the Linux world for ages, in a way that will maintain the legal fiction of control that their whole licensing model is based on. A lot of progress can be made quickly in areas where we don't have to try to bolt useful stuff onto the CMS and z/OS ways of doing things, and to get simple things like multitasking and proper process control. I'd expect a lot of the constraints on Linux-based appliances for z/VM will be lifted, although the 7 dwarves case may still restrict them to shipping assemble-it-yourself kits so that no one can claim a shutout of the other distributors. IBM can ship a minimal environment that works for the purpose, and if you have a full Linux distribution, goodie for you - kind of like GCS. I bet there is great rubbing of hands in Somers this evening - no new wheels invented; see the new world, same as the old world. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: I checked that it's not April 1
Lets just hope that the blue washing doesn't flush the red tide with a big Wave! Hopefully this winds up really helping z focused hybrid clouds however noting that Red Hat licensing seems to favor x86 sales like much of IBM's software portfolio does. - And it does make some sense when you look at IBM's investment into things like KVM and Openshift. . On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 6:41 PM Harder, Pieter < pieter.har...@brabantwater.nl> wrote: > > In the past IBM has been extremely reluctant to outright own a Linux > distro. Likely for fear of alienating the Linux people by corporate > behaviour. Why now? Is this a preventive strike to prevent somebody else > from owning Red Hat? Microsoft seems to be on the prowl to buy open source > stuff and Microsoft owning Red Hat could be really bad for IBM. > > > > https://newsroom.ibm.com/2018-10-28-IBM-To-Acquire-Red-Hat-Completely-Changing-The-Cloud-Landscape-And-Becoming-Worlds-1-Hybrid-Cloud-Provider > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ > -- ><º>`·.¸¸´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸>(((º> .·´¯`·.><º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><º> <>< Go fishing ><> -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: I checked that it's not April 1
In the past IBM has been extremely reluctant to outright own a Linux distro. Likely for fear of alienating the Linux people by corporate behaviour. Why now? Is this a preventive strike to prevent somebody else from owning Red Hat? Microsoft seems to be on the prowl to buy open source stuff and Microsoft owning Red Hat could be really bad for IBM. > https://newsroom.ibm.com/2018-10-28-IBM-To-Acquire-Red-Hat-Completely-Changing-The-Cloud-Landscape-And-Becoming-Worlds-1-Hybrid-Cloud-Provider -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: I checked that it's not April 1
On 18Oct28:1919+, Neale Ferguson wrote: > https://newsroom.ibm.com/2018-10-28-IBM-To-Acquire-Red-Hat-Completely-Changing-The-Cloud-Landscape-And-Becoming-Worlds-1-Hybrid-Cloud-Provider On the other hand, it IS Sunday... -- May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ "So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe." __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: I checked that it's not April 1
WOW Sent from my iPhone On Oct 28, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Mark Post wrote: On 10/28/2018 at 03:19 PM, Neale Ferguson wrote: >> https://newsroom.ibm.com/2018-10-28-IBM-To-Acquire-Red-Hat-Completely-Changin >> g-The-Cloud-Landscape-And-Becoming-Worlds-1-Hybrid-Cloud-Provider > > I wonder how this is all going to play out in the long run. I can't imagine > SUSE or Canonical being very happy about this. Sigh. > > > Mark Post > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: I checked that it's not April 1
>>> On 10/28/2018 at 03:19 PM, Neale Ferguson wrote: > https://newsroom.ibm.com/2018-10-28-IBM-To-Acquire-Red-Hat-Completely-Changin > g-The-Cloud-Landscape-And-Becoming-Worlds-1-Hybrid-Cloud-Provider I wonder how this is all going to play out in the long run. I can't imagine SUSE or Canonical being very happy about this. Sigh. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: I checked that it's not April 1
In the immortal words of Frank Barone.Holy Crap! At least now, we might get better RHEL support on Z. Martha On 10/28/2018 3:19 PM, Neale Ferguson wrote: https://newsroom.ibm.com/2018-10-28-IBM-To-Acquire-Red-Hat-Completely-Changing-The-Cloud-Landscape-And-Becoming-Worlds-1-Hybrid-Cloud-Provider -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- Martha McConaghy Marist: System Architect/Technical Lead Vice President, SHARE Association Marist College IT Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
