Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 22:55 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: And is there a snowballs chance in hell that this is un-encumbered? http://electronicdesign.com/tabid/57/default.aspx?topic=algorithm_delivers_lossless_compression_to_adc_samplescatpath=fltrTitle=fltrSummary=fltrPublication.aspx?nl=1

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-22 Thread Victor Lazzarini
Then there is the situation where you write a plugin using VST (and its non-free license) and GPL. GPL should 'contaminate' the plugin making it Free, but then Steinberg will come back at you for breaking its license. Surely if you use GPL code, then you need to publish your header files

Re: [LAD] Testing... There is a problem with the list?

2010-06-22 Thread Natanael Olaiz
Hi Robin and Marc, Thanks for the reply, and I apologize for the noise: checking further I see that the messages ARE in my gmail account via the web interface. It looks like suddenly gmail decided to stop the delivering through POP of some mailing lists to my client. But not all of them, so I

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-22 Thread Chris Cannam
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:10 AM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote: i think, in fact, i ADAMANTLY believe that run-time linking of an object module as a result of explicit user action (i.e. not part of the predestined lifetime of the process) is semantically distinct from dynamic

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-22 Thread Chris Cannam
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Victor Lazzarini victor.lazzar...@nuim.ie wrote: Then there is the situation where you write a plugin using VST (and its non-free license) and GPL. GPL should 'contaminate' the plugin making it Free, but then Steinberg will come back at you for breaking its

Re: [LAD] Testing... There is a problem with the list?

2010-06-22 Thread Natanael Olaiz
I found the problem! It was not gmail, but my message filters!! The new Thunderbird 3 threads-indexing feature freezes the GUI for A LOT of time while is running on my big message folders... somehow I must did a drag and drop while doing that of 4 folders, to a sub-sub-folder with lists that

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread Philipp Überbacher
Excerpts from Jens M Andreasen's message of 2010-06-22 08:36:53 +0200: On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 22:55 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: And is there a snowballs chance in hell that this is un-encumbered?

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 22 June 2010, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 22:55 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: And is there a snowballs chance in hell that this is un-encumbered? http://electronicdesign.com/tabid/57/default.aspx?topic=algorithm_deliv

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread Adrian Knoth
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 06:38:45AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: from TFA: : Implemented in a DSP chip or microprocessor, this simple compressor : requires about 50 instructions per sample. However, lossless : compression ratios fall between 1.3:1 and 2:1 on baseband signals. So a size of 75%

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 14:00 +0200, Adrian Knoth wrote: That's more or less the end of the story. Any further discussion would only make sense with measured results at hand. There is this 50 instructions/sample thingie also. Size is comparable to other lossless algos, but how about

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 22 June 2010, Adrian Knoth wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 06:38:45AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: from TFA: : Implemented in a DSP chip or microprocessor, this simple compressor : requires about 50 instructions per sample. However, lossless : compression ratios fall between 1.3:1 and

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-22 Thread drew Roberts
On Monday 21 June 2010 22:10:23 Paul Davis wrote: and even if they did this, if their host was the only application that used the API, the burden of guilt would fall heavily upon them in any court (legal or public opinion). Just fund the development of a simple app that used the api and gpl

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread drew Roberts
On Tuesday 22 June 2010 06:38:45 Gene Heskett wrote: It was the lossless claim that got my attention, Jens.  I am well aware that current compressors can beat that at acceptable quality. Foe lossless check out: http://www.wavpack.com/ http://flac.sourceforge.net/ drew

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread Jeremy
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Adrian Knoth a...@drcomp.erfurt.thur.dewrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 06:38:45AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: from TFA: : Implemented in a DSP chip or microprocessor, this simple compressor : requires about 50 instructions per sample. However, lossless :

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread Jeremy
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Adrian Knoth a...@drcomp.erfurt.thur.dewrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 06:38:45AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: from TFA: : Implemented in a DSP chip or microprocessor, this simple compressor : requires about 50 instructions per sample. However, lossless :

[LAD] remember ??

2010-06-22 Thread fons
Hello all, those of you who attended LAC2009 will recognise the Sala Bianca and lovely metal girl Giorgia: http://www.youtube.com/user/WinterHaze01 Enjoy ! -- FA O tu, che porte, correndo si ? E guerra e morte ! ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread fons
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 04:09:27PM -0400, Jeremy wrote: I've tested flac -8 and the given matlab script on a wav file. The matlab script reports a compression ratio of 7.9908, and flac reports a compression ratio of 0.521, obviously, they measure in inverse ways, but 7.99 still seems

Re: [LAD] remember ??

2010-06-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 22 June 2010, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Hello all, those of you who attended LAC2009 will recognise the Sala Bianca and lovely metal girl Giorgia: http://www.youtube.com/user/WinterHaze01 Enjoy ! Unforch Fons, while its decent video, the total silence is deafening. Flash 10

Re: [LAD] remember ??

2010-06-22 Thread fons
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 04:50:46PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Unforch Fons, while its decent video, the total silence is deafening. Flash 10 doing the playing according to the report from swiftfox, on mdv 2010-x64. I've been watching this using plain standard Firefox on my laptop sitting in

Re: [LAD] [LAU] remember ??

2010-06-22 Thread Harry Van Haaren
Hey, Cheers for the link. Was nice to see the Sala again, although the context was a little different.. :-) -Harry On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:12 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Hello all, those of you who attended LAC2009 will recognise the Sala Bianca and lovely metal girl Giorgia:

Re: [LAD] remember ??

2010-06-22 Thread Joshua Boyd
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 04:50:46PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 22 June 2010, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Hello all, those of you who attended LAC2009 will recognise the Sala Bianca and lovely metal girl Giorgia: http://www.youtube.com/user/WinterHaze01 Enjoy ! Unforch

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread A. C. Censi
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 5:31 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Does it decompress to the original ? The algorithm, patented by the way, is oriented to lossless compression of HIGH SPEED signals, New data compression technologies can save power and cost in applications with sampling rates above

Re: [LAD] Linux-audio-dev Digest, Vol 40, Issue 28

2010-06-22 Thread Jeff McClintock
I think that situation is simpler, and is just as you surmise -- you can't redistribute a plugin that claims to be under the GPL if it uses the VST SDK headers. There _are_ some VST plugins out there that use the SDK but claim to be under the GPL, and I think that is really borne of

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread fons
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 06:18:17PM -0300, A. C. Censi wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 5:31 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Does it decompress to the original ? ... lots of text but no answer ... So I'll repeat the question: Does it decompress to the original ? ( _it_ meaning the file

Re: [LAD] Linux-audio-dev Digest, Vol 40, Issue 28

2010-06-22 Thread Paul Davis
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Jeff McClintock j...@synthedit.com wrote: The PC itself famously became an open platform after Compaq clean-room reverse engineered the BIOS. This is considered legal - Someone who has NOT agreed to the VST SDK license can re-create headers that mirror the

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread Jeremy
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 5:32 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 06:18:17PM -0300, A. C. Censi wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 5:31 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Does it decompress to the original ? ... lots of text but no answer ... So I'll repeat the

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread A. C. Censi
There is no decompress code in the article ... Someone has to wright one to check. The author and his company claim that it can operate in lossless mode and it is already in use in some medical systems, so probably yes. But the improvement, if any, when compared with established algorithms used

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread fons
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 05:47:04PM -0400, Jeremy wrote: No algorithm is provided to decompress OK. If I don't have to demonstrate that the result can be decompressed to the original input I can write a 'lossless' compression algo in 5 minutes or less. Under these conditions it's not even

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread fons
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 06:48:02PM -0300, A. C. Censi wrote: There is no decompress code in the article ... Someone has to wright one to check. ??? The author and his company claim that it can operate in lossless mode and it is already in use in some medical systems, so probably yes.

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread A. C. Censi
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:52 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 05:47:04PM -0400, Jeremy wrote: No algorithm is provided to decompress By searching I found that in MATLAB repositories in

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread A. C. Censi
On Tuesday, June 22, 2010, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 06:48:02PM -0300, A. C. Censi wrote: There is no decompress code in the article ... Someone has to wright one to check. ??? s/wright/write 'Medical' means 2-D or 3-D images, or ECG or EEG data. ). None of

Re: [LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-22 Thread Jeremy
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 5:48 PM, A. C. Censi acce...@gmail.com wrote: There is no decompress code in the article ... Someone has to wright one to check. The author and his company claim that it can operate in lossless mode and it is already in use in some medical systems, so probably yes.

Re: [LAD] remember ??

2010-06-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 22 June 2010, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 04:50:46PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Unforch Fons, while its decent video, the total silence is deafening. Flash 10 doing the playing according to the report from swiftfox, on mdv 2010-x64. I've been watching this

Re: [LAD] remember ??

2010-06-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 22 June 2010, Joshua Boyd wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 04:50:46PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 22 June 2010, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Hello all, those of you who attended LAC2009 will recognise the Sala Bianca and lovely metal girl Giorgia: