Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
*???* Pulseaudio, 64-bit and JACK are a strange issue. I'm using 64-bit, the proprietary flash for 64-bit and I can run JACK, use audio software, e.g. Qtractor and at the same time watch YouTube etc.. Pulseaudio is not installed. Am I missing something, because I don't have Pulseaudio? Ralf

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 15:22 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: PAE is required for NX support, and furthermore enables larger swapspace support for non-overcommit purposes. It has the cost of more pagetable lookup overhead, and also consumes more pagetable space per process. That suggests to

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/10/2009 05:14 PM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 15:22 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: PAE is required for NX support, and furthermore enables larger swapspace support for non-overcommit purposes. It has the cost of more pagetable lookup overhead, and also consumes more

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Arnold Krille
On Sunday 09 August 2009 23:47:17 Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:59:29PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: If aeolus is small that is good. Because that leaves more memory to cache the samples (outside of aeolus itself). The 120 MB includes all precomputed wavetables, and they

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/10/2009 05:44 PM, Arnold Krille wrote: On Sunday 09 August 2009 23:47:17 Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:59:29PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: If aeolus is small that is good. Because that leaves more memory to cache the samples (outside of aeolus itself).

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 18:01 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Oooh snap! :-D - Closed source binaries such as those provided by companies like Adobe, Skype and Real Networks should provide flexibility for changing the audio library path and not be hardcoded to /usr/lib/ - For 32 Bit systems

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Loki Davison
On 8/10/09, Patrick Shirkey pshir...@boosthardware.com wrote: On 08/10/2009 05:14 PM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 15:22 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: PAE is required for NX support, and furthermore enables larger swapspace support for non-overcommit purposes. It has the

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Nick Copeland
The following is all opinion which I think is what was requested: Here's an updated list of the possible official recommendations for discussion: We should not really be recommending anything and 'official' makes it sound rather orchestrated. We should be selling the benefits of the

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/11/2009 08:59 AM, Nick Copeland wrote: The following is all opinion which I think is what was requested: Here's an updated list of the possible official recommendations for discussion: We should not really be recommending anything and 'official' makes it sound rather orchestrated.

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Kjetil S. Matheussen
Patrick Shirkey: On 08/08/2009 09:57 PM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 16:44 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Here's what I have found after extensive testing with the latest dev version of pulseaudio-v0.9.16-4 and jack-0.116.1 on a 2 core amd, 4GB notebook running Fedora 11.

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Kjetil S. Matheussen
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Patrick Shirkey wrote: On 08/09/2009 08:12 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: Patrick Shirkey: On 08/08/2009 09:57 PM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 16:44 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Here's what I have found after extensive testing with the

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/09/2009 10:12 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Patrick Shirkey wrote: On 08/09/2009 08:12 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: Patrick Shirkey: On 08/08/2009 09:57 PM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 16:44 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Here's what

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Kjetil S. Matheussen
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Patrick Shirkey wrote: On 08/09/2009 10:12 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Patrick Shirkey wrote: On 08/09/2009 08:12 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: Patrick Shirkey: On 08/08/2009 09:57 PM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Sat, 2009-08-08 at

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/09/2009 10:35 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Patrick Shirkey wrote: On 08/09/2009 10:12 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Patrick Shirkey wrote: On 08/09/2009 08:12 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: Patrick Shirkey: On 08/08/2009 09:57 PM,

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Arnold Krille
On Sunday 09 August 2009 14:12:56 Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: No, as I said, the solution is very simple: Don't install a 64 bit OS. That's what's causing your problems, apparently. Helloo! Please leave the 20th century where it belongs. Nowadays 64bit are normal with new computers and its a

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Robin Gareus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shirkey wrote: On 08/09/2009 10:35 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Patrick Shirkey wrote: On 08/09/2009 10:12 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Patrick Shirkey wrote: On 08/09/2009 08:12 PM,

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Kjetil S. Matheussen
Arnold Krille: On Sunday 09 August 2009 14:12:56 Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: No, as I said, the solution is very simple: Don't install a 64 bit OS. That's what's causing your problems, apparently. Helloo! Please leave the 20th century where it belongs. Nowadays 64bit are normal with new

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/10/2009 01:42 AM, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: Arnold Krille: On Sunday 09 August 2009 14:12:56 Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: No, as I said, the solution is very simple: Don't install a 64 bit OS. That's what's causing your problems, apparently. Helloo! Please leave the

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Arnold Krille
On Sunday 09 August 2009 19:06:15 Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 16:31 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: Helloo! Please leave the 20th century where it belongs. Nowadays 64bit are normal with new computers and its a terrible waste not to use them (reminds me of 640kB should be

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread alex stone
Well spoken Arnold. The bigger picture here is the conditioning computer users have been subjected to from the first moment Blinky Bill attached a mouse to a box. As one who spent most of his working life struggling with professional audio and midi apps in a win and mac environment, before i got

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread alex stone
That should read ..if everything switched to 64bit all of a sudden Sorry about that. On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:24 PM, alex stonecompos...@gmail.com wrote: Well spoken Arnold. The bigger picture here is the conditioning computer users have been subjected to from the first

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 08:56:21PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: What single application - apart from Mozilla - really needs more than 4GB? Ardour (by the way of the os) for the cache of the soundfiles. Linuxsampler (by the way of the os) to hold more of the samples data in memory.

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Arnold Krille
On Sunday 09 August 2009 22:20:50 Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 08:56:21PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: What single application - apart from Mozilla - really needs more than 4GB? Ardour (by the way of the os) for the cache of the soundfiles. Linuxsampler (by the way of

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread David Robillard
On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 23:24 +0400, alex stone wrote: It still goes on, and in our little slice of the planet, it's a tragedy, because the majority of users are still stuck in that 32bit paradigm. Even on Linux? Really? -dr ___ Linux-audio-dev

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 16:31 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: Looking away by only using 32bits is _not_ the solution. How about CONFIG_X86_PAE? Wouldn't this allow for a balance between domestic use as well as a handful of memory hungry audio/video applications (or up to 64GB of buffered data)

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Loki Davison
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:06 AM, Jens M Andreasenjens.andrea...@comhem.se wrote: On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 16:31 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: Helloo! Please leave the 20th century where it belongs. Nowadays 64bit are normal with new computers and its a terrible waste not to use them (reminds me

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-09 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/10/2009 12:21 PM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 16:31 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: Looking away by only using 32bits is _not_ the solution. How about CONFIG_X86_PAE? Wouldn't this allow for a balance between domestic use as well as a handful of memory hungry

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-08 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/08/2009 10:32 AM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 10:50 -0400, Sean Corbett wrote: Of course it would be a voluntary standards base, and every developer / distro team can still do whatever they like, so that innovation can continue... but as

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-08 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/08/2009 09:57 PM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 16:44 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Here's what I have found after extensive testing with the latest dev version of pulseaudio-v0.9.16-4 and jack-0.116.1 on a 2 core amd, 4GB notebook running Fedora 11. 1. 32 bit apps

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-08 Thread Gabriel M. Beddingfield
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009, Jens M Andreasen wrote: That being said, what are the points that a distro must consider to be truely catering for sound. What are the targets for starters? * Entertainment: Everybody will vote for this, piratebayed or not. This is what Pulse is doing well if I have

[LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Corbett
I'm not a developer, just interested in Linux audio development because I use Linux audio software almost daily, and as such I've been lurking on this list for awhile. So this is just a practical suggestion / brainstorming idea, not meant to incur flames (I wish I could heat my studio by the