Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-09-01 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:35:02 PM Hugo Mills wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:50:12AM +0200, George Duffield wrote: > > Running a traditional raid5 array of that size is statistically > > guaranteed to fail in the event of a rebuild. > >Except that if it were, you wouldn't see anyone runnin

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:52 AM, George Duffield wrote: > Funny you should say that, whilst I'd read about it it didn't concern > me much until Neil Brown himself advised me against expanding the > raid5 arrays any further (one was built using 3TB drives and the other > using 4TB drives). My unde

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-29 Thread George Duffield
Funny you should say that, whilst I'd read about it it didn't concern me much until Neil Brown himself advised me against expanding the raid5 arrays any further (one was built using 3TB drives and the other using 4TB drives). My understanding is that larger arrays are typically built using more dr

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-28 Thread Austin S Hemmelgarn
On 2015-08-28 11:42, Chris Murphy wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Hugo Mills wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:50:12AM +0200, George Duffield wrote: Running a traditional raid5 array of that size is statistically guaranteed to fail in the event of a rebuild. Except that if it wer

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-28 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Hugo Mills wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:50:12AM +0200, George Duffield wrote: >> Running a traditional raid5 array of that size is statistically >> guaranteed to fail in the event of a rebuild. > >Except that if it were, you wouldn't see anyone running R

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-28 Thread Austin S Hemmelgarn
On 2015-08-28 05:47, Duncan wrote: Austin S Hemmelgarn posted on Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:01:58 -0400 as excerpted: Someone (IIRC it was Austin H) posted what I thought was an extremely good setup, a few weeks ago. Create two (or more) mdraid0s, and put btrfs raid1 (or raid5/6 when it's a bit more

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-28 Thread Duncan
Austin S Hemmelgarn posted on Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:01:58 -0400 as excerpted: >> Someone (IIRC it was Austin H) posted what I thought was an extremely >> good setup, a few weeks ago. Create two (or more) mdraid0s, and put >> btrfs raid1 (or raid5/6 when it's a bit more mature, I've been >> recommen

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-28 Thread Roman Mamedov
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:50:12 +0200 George Duffield wrote: > Running a traditional raid5 array of that size is statistically > guaranteed to fail in the event of a rebuild. Yeah I consider RAID5 to be safe up to about 4 devices. As you already have 5 and looking to expand, I'd recommend going RAI

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-28 Thread Hugo Mills
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:50:12AM +0200, George Duffield wrote: > Running a traditional raid5 array of that size is statistically > guaranteed to fail in the event of a rebuild. Except that if it were, you wouldn't see anyone running RAID-5 arrays of that size and (considerably) larger. And su

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-28 Thread George Duffield
Running a traditional raid5 array of that size is statistically guaranteed to fail in the event of a rebuild. I also need to expand the size of available storage to accomodate future storage requirements. My understanding is that a Btrfs array is easily expanded without the overhead associated with

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-27 Thread Austin S Hemmelgarn
On 2015-08-26 22:58, Duncan wrote: Austin S Hemmelgarn posted on Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:03:40 -0400 as excerpted: On 2015-08-26 07:50, Roman Mamedov wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:56:03 +0200 George Duffield wrote: I'm looking to switch from a 5x3TB mdadm raid5 array to a Btrfs based solution t

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-26 Thread Duncan
Austin S Hemmelgarn posted on Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:03:40 -0400 as excerpted: > On 2015-08-26 07:50, Roman Mamedov wrote: >> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:56:03 +0200 George Duffield >> wrote: >> >>> I'm looking to switch from a 5x3TB mdadm raid5 array to a Btrfs based >>> solution that will involve dupli

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-26 Thread Austin S Hemmelgarn
On 2015-08-26 07:50, Roman Mamedov wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:56:03 +0200 George Duffield wrote: I'm looking to switch from a 5x3TB mdadm raid5 array to a Btrfs based solution that will involve duplicating a data store on a second machine for backup purposes (the machine is only powered up

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-26 Thread Duncan
George Duffield posted on Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:56:03 +0200 as excerpted: > Two quick questions: > - If I were simply to create a Btrfs volume using 5x3TB drives and not > create a raid5/6/10 array I understand data would be striped across the > 5 drives with no reduncancy ... i.e. if a drive fails

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-26 Thread Roman Mamedov
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:56:03 +0200 George Duffield wrote: > I'm looking to switch from a 5x3TB mdadm raid5 array to a Btrfs based > solution that will involve duplicating a data store on a second > machine for backup purposes (the machine is only powered up for > backups). What do you want to ac

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-26 Thread Hugo Mills
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:56:03AM +0200, George Duffield wrote: > Hi > > Is there a more comprehensive discussion/ documentation of Btrfs > features than is referenced in > https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page...I'd love to learn > more but it seems there's no readily available autho

Re: Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-26 Thread Austin S Hemmelgarn
On 2015-08-26 04:56, George Duffield wrote: Hi Is there a more comprehensive discussion/ documentation of Btrfs features than is referenced in https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page...I'd love to learn more but it seems there's no readily available authoritative documentation out ther

Understanding BTRFS storage

2015-08-26 Thread George Duffield
Hi Is there a more comprehensive discussion/ documentation of Btrfs features than is referenced in https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page...I'd love to learn more but it seems there's no readily available authoritative documentation out there? I'm looking to switch from a 5x3TB mdadm r