RE: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-10 Thread Shai Bentin
I've read what you all have written. I tend to agree with all of you. On the one hand, looking at it through a business perspective, Open Source does promote waist of programming hours, thus I agree that one way is to form some sort of a committee which will be as widely accepted as possible

RE: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-10 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Shai Bentin wrote: I've read what you all have written. I tend to agree with all of you. On the one hand, looking at it through a business perspective, Open Source does promote waist of programming hours, thus I agree that one way is to form some sort of a committee

Re: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-10 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Shai Bentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've read what you all have written. I tend to agree with all of you. Oh... Now you'll get flamed by everybody... 1. Give out certification for Open Source programs, according to some well thought out and defined requirement list which they will post.

Transparent background in KDE

2002-04-10 Thread Ishay Inbar
Hi all, Though I am an enthusiast on Linux (I am using RH 7.2) I wasn’t able to fully become a Linux desktop user. The solution I fond was to use an X server on my Win2000 (I use Exceed 6.2), work with XDMCP, and get both Linux and Windows desktops. Since my main desktop is the

Re: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-10 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 21:37, Yehuda Drori wrote: hi... I would like to raise a point about OPEN SOURCE.. I think there are a lot of human resources getting wasted with OPEN SOURCE projects. I've written a review where I spill my gut about it at:

Re: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-10 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 09:36:03AM +0200, Shai Bentin wrote: I've read what you all have written. I tend to agree with all of you. First of all, please print out and read at least three times Gilad's post. He makes the point with eloquence unmatched. Nontheless, I shall now respond verbatim

KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Ben-Nes Michael
Damn I fallowed KDE instruction of how to install the new KDE and obviously it didn't work. all the dependencies are ruined and now I need to guess what lib belong to what package. I think its shame that they put such instruction that don't work :( Here is a snip -

Re: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002, Ben-Nes Michael wrote about KDE 3.0 Instelation: I fallowed KDE instruction of how to install the new KDE and obviously it didn't work. all the dependencies are ruined and now I need to guess what lib belong to what package. I think its shame that they put such

Re: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-10 Thread Herouth Maoz
At 21:37 +0300 on 9/4/2002, Yehuda Drori wrote: I've written a review where I spill my gut about it at: http://whatsup.org.il/modules.php?name=Reviewsrop=showcontentid=7 and I would like you to response to that.. FLAME HEAT=MODERATE I am starting to agree with Gilad Ben-Yossef (in the

Re: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep kde` --nodeps rpm -Uvh *rpm --nodeps --force... worked perfect here ;) Hetz On Wednesday 10 April 2002 03:08 pm, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: Damn I fallowed KDE instruction of how to install the new KDE and obviously it didn't work. all the dependencies are ruined and

Re: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Ben-Nes Michael
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002, Ben-Nes Michael wrote about KDE 3.0 Instelation: I fallowed KDE instruction of how to install the new KDE and obviously it didn't work. all the dependencies are ruined and now I need to guess what lib belong to what package. I think its shame that they put such

Re: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep kde` --nodeps You left out the '^' rpm -Uvh *rpm --nodeps --force... worked perfect here ;) 'rm -rf /' will work fine next time you try it givenm you are root) What if you have a package called 'hookdesktop' ? It will be

Re: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Ariel Biener
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: I just did: cd /usr/local/src mkdir kde3 cd kde3 ftp ftp.sunet.se login as anonymous cd /pub/kde/stable/latest/Red Hat/i386 bin prompt mget *.rpm quit then, rpm -Uvh --nodeps --force *.rpm After that, worked like a charm. Make sure you have

[Shameful plug warning] Re: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-10 Thread Omer Zak
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Herouth Maoz wrote: In the mailing lists that I manage myself, I have a rule: no plugging your own website (maybe not even plugging your own article in somebody else's website). The exceptions are very few. This way, we know people will share *interesting* information,

rpm -Uvh --nodeps --force

2002-04-10 Thread Ariel Biener
Hi, Someone earlier said --force implies --nodeps. That is wrong. --Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP(6.5.8) public key http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL

Re: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Ariel Biener wrote: I just did: cd /usr/local/src mkdir kde3 cd kde3 ftp ftp.sunet.se login as anonymous cd /pub/kde/stable/latest/Red Hat/i386 bin prompt mget *.rpm quit then, rpm -Uvh --nodeps --force *.rpm Just out of curiosity: what happens if you don't

Re: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Ariel Biener
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Except ... Except nothing. Everything worked. RPM's dependencies should have verified such silly stuff for you, right? Sure, but I used --nodeps --Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP(6.5.8) public key

Re: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Ben-Nes Michael
I didnt left the ^, probobly it was coment out using the copy paste -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 http://sites.canaan.co.il -- - Original Message - From: Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL

RE: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Dvir Volk
which kinda makes you wonder: why isn't there just one big package for each distro, with all the needed dependecies (qt, libxml, openssh and such), and seperate packages for the extra stuff such as devel packages, koffice and maybe kdevelop? i mean, most people install it lock, stock and libs -

Re: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-10 Thread frodo
GB 4. To assume that we should somehow benefit from central planning is GB to assume that there is someone, or even a group of people, who knows GB what's best. This is in some way the premise behind commercial Not exactly. It's assuming that some people have more manager talents than others -

Re: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-10 Thread Yehuda Drori
On Tuesday 09 April 2002 21:37, Yehuda Drori wrote: hello to all of you co-responders I would like to thank you for your time writing down your points of view. I when I wrote that review I did it out of pure dedication for the future of open source. I must first admit that I didn't write any

RE: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Dvir Volk wrote: which kinda makes you wonder: why isn't there just one big package for each distro, with all the needed dependecies (qt, libxml, openssh and such), and seperate packages for the extra stuff such as devel packages, koffice and maybe kdevelop? i mean,

Re: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-10 Thread Herouth Maoz
At 22:40 +0300 on 10/4/2002, Yehuda Drori wrote: other then that if you don't want to be directed to our site just don't press on the link to go there. you don't have a gun pointed to your head !! I personally think you missed that all IDEA but this is up to you and not for me to say

Re: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Arie Folger
On Wednesday 10 April 2002 15:19, you wrote: which kinda makes you wonder: why isn't there just one big package for each distro, with all the needed dependecies (qt, libxml, openssh and such), and seperate packages for the extra stuff such as devel packages, koffice and maybe kdevelop? i

KDE 3.0 install

2002-04-10 Thread Arie Folger
Is CUPS indispensable for KDE to work? I didn't install any printers under CUPS, and wanted to force it to uninstall, but then I tried to print a PDF doc that had lots of tables in it (a bunch of forms) and got an error message from kghostview about something not being implemented for printing

Re: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002, Dvir Volk wrote about RE: KDE 3.0 Instelation: which kinda makes you wonder: why isn't there just one big package for each distro, with all the needed dependecies (qt, libxml, openssh and such), and seperate packages for the extra stuff such as devel packages, koffice

RE: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Dvir Volk
I liked the zillion packages. You see, sometimes I jsut want one component, not the entire warehouse. I didn't say that there shouldn't be seperate packages, of course that IS GOOD. but you i would also like to see a bundled package with all the necessary files and libs inside. i mean,

Re: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Arie Folger
On Wednesday 10 April 2002 18:43, Dvir Volk wrote: I didn't say that there shouldn't be seperate packages, of course that IS GOOD. but you i would also like to see a bundled package with all the necessary files and libs inside. agreed. Linux is among others about choice. maybe there should

RE: KDE 3.0 Instelation

2002-04-10 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Dvir Volk wrote: I liked the zillion packages. You see, sometimes I jsut want one component, not the entire warehouse. I didn't say that there shouldn't be seperate packages, of course that IS GOOD. but you i would also like to see a bundled package withall the