Re: Singularity

2005-11-14 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 11:14 +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: On Saturday, 12 בNovember 2005 01:32, Gilboa Davara wrote: About buffer overflow: you are missing the point. You are not overflowing the host stack, but the VMs one. This actually is good thing from that point of view. Um and

Re: Singularity

2005-11-13 Thread Oded Arbel
On Saturday, 12 בNovember 2005 01:32, Gilboa Davara wrote: About buffer overflow: you are missing the point. You are not overflowing the host stack, but the VMs one. This actually is good thing from that point of view. Um and once I did that, what prevents me from generating a code

Re: Singularity

2005-11-13 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 11:14:23AM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: I'm not sure what the MS guys are doing, but if I were them I would run the networking code with no file system permissions. The up side of running everything in a VM(*) is that you don't have to link in file system operations for

Re: Singularity

2005-11-11 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 20:23 +0200, Diego Iastrubni wrote: Can you spell php...? cgi? How many computers ending up running php/cgi? 1% maybe 2%? How many Windows /desktop/ machines got comprimised since this thread began...? How can you even begin to compare these two cases. Perl gets

Singularity

2005-11-10 Thread Danny Lieberman
Microsoft is developing a new O/S in c#- looks like they reincarnated IBM VM in a 2005 version Quoting: The Singularity project http://research.microsoft.com/os/singularity contains new languages and tools, and a whole new architecture and operating system design. Singularity is built around

Re: Singularity

2005-11-10 Thread Oded Arbel
On Wednesday 09 November 2005 22:48, Danny Lieberman wrote: Microsoft is developing a new O/S in c#- looks like they reincarnated IBM VM in a 2005 version sarcasmSurprisingly enough/sarcasm, Microsoft does a lot of operating system research. Part of that research is of course thinking up new

Re: Singularity

2005-11-10 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 22:48 +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote: Microsoft is developing a new O/S in c#- looks like they reincarnated IBM VM in a 2005 version Quoting: The Singularity project http://research.microsoft.com/os/singularity contains new languages and tools, and a whole new

Re: Singularity

2005-11-10 Thread Diego Iastrubni
Gilboa Davara wrote: They are talking about code isolation and preventing code manipulation, while their framework devision has designed the hideous .NET framework that forces people to dynamically generate code just to read raw (?!?!) TCP (!!!) traffic. (The application devs around me use it

Re: Singularity

2005-11-10 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 18:45 +0200, Diego Iastrubni wrote: Gilboa Davara wrote: They are talking about code isolation and preventing code manipulation, while their framework devision has designed the hideous .NET framework that forces people to dynamically generate code just to read raw

Re: Singularity

2005-11-10 Thread Diego Iastrubni
Gilboa Davara wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 18:45 +0200, Diego Iastrubni wrote: Gilboa Davara wrote: They are talking about code isolation and preventing code manipulation, while their framework devision has designed the hideous .NET framework that forces people to dynamically

Re: Singularity

2005-11-10 Thread Gábor Szabó
On 11/10/05, Diego Iastrubni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilboa Davara wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 18:45 +0200, Diego Iastrubni wrote: Didnt you ever program a TCP/IP application in perl...? ;-) Well, lets say Python, since you can store the compiled binary... I wrote maybe