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I give up. What language is that? APL?
This is proof positive the Chen Shapira is _not_ a member of the cabal.
On the other
hand, her denying
Nadav Har'El wrote:
Ok, this thread has gone for some time now, but PLEASE, if you plan on
continuing, at least do us a favor and explain what the f*** you're talking
about?
What on earth is a "cabal"? I'm assuming you're not talking about a
capacitor :)
A cabal is a capacitor.
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Marc A. Volovic wrote:
This is proof positive the Chen Shapira is _not_ a member of the cabal.
There is no IGLU cabal.
On the other
hand, her denying recognition of the secret handshake signal is likely
proof positive
that she is well aware of the cabal, is on the
Hi, Gaal!
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 08:56:22AM +0300, you wrote the following:
But another question: I don't have grep-available on my system. What
package provides it?
grep-dctrl
Okay, thanks! Any idea why this thing isn't installed by default?
It's 28k of download and takes
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Ury Segal wrote:
C++ is an object-oriented programming language? Gimme a break.
YOU do not define what is an OO language. The world
aroud you, which you obviously Ignore, defined, long time
ago, that C++ is an OO language.
I don't think one can decide whether C++
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Ira Abramov wrote:
b. a symposium we could organize with Vadik, Ury, Zadka, Chen, Gaal and
other illuminaries (pun intended) of this list giving their definitions
of OO. we may not agree but we will ALL be wiser, and it's better than
this stupid flamewar.
and before
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Moshe Zadka wrote:
Ok, if people really want this (please answer to me personally) I can
organize a "what is OO?" symposium. Ira, can you send me the contact info
for the guys at SGI?
One more note: I'll argue any way other people don't, so I'll have to have
your views
Hi List,
I buy a domain named: GeneOriented.com
Why not to take our minds and make a new
Open OO Language, OR Open GeneO...
Think about This,
:-)
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Omer Zak wrote:
3. The IGLU Cabal was founded by Harvey J. Stein and the mysterious Asker
Of The First Question Which Started It All (the First Question was:
"are there Linux users in Israel?" and it was posted to one of the
Israeli Usenet groups sometime at 1994).
Note that
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Note that Harvey is no longer in Israel. He is alive and well in
New York.
that does not disqualifying him from joining in, we have people from all
over the world in here and more joining each week (Hi Robin!), IGLU is
geographicly bound,
Who cares?
OO is a programming design method, which attempts to make the process of
writing software and maintaing it easier than it's predecessor (structured
programming? Procedural programming? whatever). These are goals, and the
principles behind OO, in my humble opinion, are just means to an
I got the feeling hat some people here think that C has
a standard that is commonly followed, (more that C++ in
any case.) This is SO FAR from the truth. C has profound
standartzation problem, some of them built-in in the language.
Let me give you some examples.
1) The "standard" IO library
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Ury Segal wrote:
b. If you ar not familiar with sscanf, how about fopen(), eh ? Old
timer, mentioned in KR. Even THIS has no standard. On most
Windows/DOS compilers, if you does not use the letter "b" in the
2nd argument to open, it will
Hi list,
I would like to hear comments about commercial Linux Backup Solutions (for
a mixed Linux/Windows network).
After a quick search of the web I found three main candidates:
- Arkeia (by Know) www.arkeia.com
- Backup Professional (by Unitrends) www.unitrends.com
- NovaNet 8 (by NovaStor)
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000, Ury Segal wrote about ""C" is standartizied - In your dreams!":
I got the feeling hat some people here think that C has
a standard that is commonly followed, (more that C++ in
any case.) This is SO FAR from the truth. C has profound
standartzation problem, some of them
On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 05:40:52PM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote:
I need ssh1 functionality.
Have you seen the following debs:
[17:39:20 /tmp]$ grep-available -P ssh | grep Package
Package: ssh2
[...]
Thanks, Shaul, and everybody else who replied by email. Indeed I had to
use a
Quoth Moshe Zadka on Sun, Jul 23, 2000:
Maybe we can stop this irresponsible spread of rumours? Someone might
just take this seriously, and think Linux is some kind of weird cult.
Thats it. There is no IGLU cabal. C'est la Vie.
Of course there is no IGLU Cabal, Moshe!
Vadik.
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The reader
Quoth Marc A. Volovic on Mon, Jul 24, 2000:
A cabal is a capacitor. Just a capacitor. Nothing but a simple, humble capacitor.
It cannot and wil not, under any circumstances, alter weather, divert aircraft,
cause localized thunderclaps or influence the wheeling and dealing among
the nations
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 01:51:05AM +0300, Alex Shnitman wrote:
But another question: I don't have grep-available on my system. What
package provides it?
grep-dctrl
Okay, thanks! Any idea why this thing isn't installed by default?
It's 28k of download and takes 127k of space. (If
Vadim Vygonets wrote:
Quoth Marc A. Volovic on Mon, Jul 24, 2000:
A cabal is a capacitor. Just a capacitor. Nothing but a simple, humble capacitor.
It cannot and wil not, under any circumstances, alter weather, divert aircraft,
cause localized thunderclaps or influence the wheeling
Quoth Adam Morrison on Sun, Jul 23, 2000:
I haven't sene many programmers who go and fiddle with struct
__jmp_buf instead of using setjmp/longjmp.
You don't have to look very far, actually.
http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/course/os/Ex3/demo.c
I know. I did this exercise too. But my point
Hi Schlomo,
I wonder you didn't mention NetWorker product from Legato - www.legato.com ,
that has the biggest installed base Worldwide, as well as above 250
installations
in Israel. The distributer of this product is "MBI, Advanced Computer
solutions"
and we are located at Ramat-Hasharon. You
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 03:43:31PM +, Asaf Koren wrote:
hi,
does anyone has a knowledge of an available tool or method to automaticaly
retreive information from secured internet sites (SSL ?) , e.g. from tau ims
site (grades: www.ims.tau.ac.il) or hapoalim site ?
curl can also be
I mostly agree with Moshe Zadka and Nadav Har'el on the matter,
but would still like to add something.
Quoth Nadav Har'El on Mon, Jul 24, 2000:
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000, Ury Segal wrote about ""C" is standartizied - In your dreams!":
Let me give you some examples.
1) The "standard" IO
hi,
does anyone has a knowledge of an available tool or method to automaticaly
retreive information from secured internet sites (SSL ?) , e.g. from tau ims
site (grades: www.ims.tau.ac.il) or hapoalim site ?
regards,
asaf.
hi,
does anyone has a knowledge of an available tool or method to automaticaly retreive
information from secured internet sites (SSL ?) , e.g. from tau ims site (grades:
www.ims.tau.ac.il) or hapoalim site ?
regards,
asaf.
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Asaf Koren wrote:
does anyone has a knowledge of an available tool or method to automaticaly
retreive information from secured internet sites (SSL ?) , e.g. from tau ims
site (grades: www.ims.tau.ac.il) or hapoalim site ?
lynx-ssl in batch mode?
--
Ira
Quoth Ury Segal on Sun, Jul 23, 2000:
Yes. Do you know what is a standard ?
Something that is widely implemented and followed, perhaps?
Have you EVER been
involved in standatrizing effort ?
No, sadly. You?
Did you ever READ a standard?
Do RFCs or ISO standards qualify? In this case,
SS Suppose C++ has a great feature, which makes writing easily
SS maintainable code a brease, but is not in the "official" OO
SS specification. Obviously, C++ is not an OO language in that
SS respect, but who cares?
We can also suppose C++ hasn't some of features that are in "official" OO
n I wonder you didn't mention NetWorker product from Legato -
n www.legato.com , that has the biggest installed base Worldwide, as
n well as above 250 installations in Israel. The distributer of this
Was I looking very bad or Legato solutions doesn't support Linux?
At least, Networker has no
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Vadim Vygonets wrote:
Quoth Marc A. Volovic on Mon, Jul 24, 2000:
A cabal is a capacitor. Just a capacitor. Nothing but a simple, humble capacitor.
It cannot and wil not, under any circumstances, alter weather, divert aircraft,
cause localized thunderclaps or
VV Something that is widely implemented and followed, perhaps?
You must mean Microsoft Office *ducks* *runs* *hides*
VV No, sadly. You?
ITYM "no, luckily". It isn't real flamewar unless it is over One True
Standard.
VV For some reason, I haven't saved the addresses of FUCKING
VV
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote:
IA what OO is, and that is a rather personal view. I heard some people say
IA Java (which Sun dubs "pure OO") is not OO at all, since "if" statements
IA are not objects and there are primitive types, others said that even
Erm? Why
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote:
VV Something that is widely implemented and followed, perhaps?
You must mean Microsoft Office *ducks* *runs* *hides*
for that matter, YES. M$office is a DE FACTO standard. question is are
we discussing de-facto or de-jure
IA I was once told that in Scheme (and IANASP) an "if" statement is an
IA object in itself. I'll be learning scheme next year and be able to tell
Well, I don't know what for, but OK - I can imagine language where sytax
constructs are objects. Even makes me curious. Good book on Scheme,
anyone?
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Asaf Koren wrote:
hi,
does anyone has a knowledge of an available tool or method to automaticaly
retreive information from secured internet sites (SSL ?) , e.g. from tau ims
site (grades: www.ims.tau.ac.il) or hapoalim site ?
The next version of Python (you can try
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote:
IA I was once told that in Scheme (and IANASP) an "if" statement is an
IA object in itself. I'll be learning scheme next year and be able to tell
Well, I don't know what for, but OK - I can imagine language where sytax
constructs
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, netvision wrote:
Hi list,
I would like to hear comments about commercial Linux Backup Solutions (for
a mixed Linux/Windows network).
After a quick search of the web I found three main candidates:
- Arkeia (by Know) www.arkeia.com
- Backup Professional (by Unitrends)
IA Given enough time and resource - definitely. Having made entire DB
IA solution in pure Javascript (no, it wasn't fun), I'm firm in this.
IA
IA now THAT sounds impressive. does it parse XML too? do publish it in
IA OpenSource :-)
No, it didn't (though I guess I might do that too, in limited
Hi,
Yes you missed!
From the home page www.legato.com you can do the following:
1. Sitemap - Related links - Current Products - NetWorker for Linux
Client
2. Quick Link - Compatability Guides - Software Compatability Guide.
Version 5.2.1 of NetWorker for Linux Client is bundled in
Quoth Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo on Mon, Jul 24, 2000:
[standard]
VV Something that is widely implemented and followed, perhaps?
You must mean Microsoft Office *ducks* *runs* *hides*
Now, Frodo, this is MEAN.
Vadik.
--
Spelling is a lossed art.
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000, Vadim Vygonets wrote about "Re: "C" is standartizied - In your
dreams!":
Register is only a recommendation to the compiler, and is a leftover from
the times when the optimizer wasn't smart enough to do that on its own.
Consider it as a finetuning to the optimizer,
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote:
IA what OO is, and that is a rather personal view. I heard some people say
IA Java (which Sun dubs "pure OO", is not OO at all, since "if" statements
IA are not objects and there are primitive types, others said that even
Erm? Why
"Ury Segal" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I got the feeling hat some people here think that C has
a standard that is commonly followed, (more that C++ in
any case.)
I have a feeling that you are mixing up the existence of a standard
that people writing code are "supposed" to follow, and the
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Ira Abramov wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote:
IA what OO is, and that is a rather personal view. I heard some people say
IA Java (which Sun dubs "pure OO") is not OO at all, since "if" statements
IA are not objects and there are
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote:
IA I was once told that in Scheme (and IANASP) an "if" statement is an
IA object in itself. I'll be learning scheme next year and be able to tell
Well, I don't know what for, but OK - I can imagine language where sytax
constructs
MZ Let me clarify the muddy waters: in no language I'm aware of, is "if" an
MZ object. In most sane languages (Scheme, Python, Smalltalk), a boolean is
MZ an object. In smalltalk, a boolean has a method called ifTrue which
Ahh... that's boring. Just another way to write the same.
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IA OmerM started something...
IA
IA http://iglu.org.il:8080/Zen/SchemeBook
IA
No, I mean dead-tree book. The thing you can read while... let's say stuck
in traffic jam on Jabotinsky street. Something like the Camel (or maybe
the Llama) book.
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folks, you're re-arguing an argument much like text editor wars... i say
"program in what you like, and let others use what they wish".
as for OO languages, moshe was right with bringing up smalltalk - i
_think_ that was one of the first OO languages (developed at around
1980(?)). and in
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, netvision wrote:
1. Sitemap - Related links - Current Products - NetWorker for Linux
Client
2. Quick Link - Compatability Guides - Software Compatability Guide.
what happend to good old URLs?
3. In the upper left corner of the home page, use the 'search' option for
n 2. Quick Link - Compatability Guides - Software Compatability Guide.
Well, not too obvious path... Also, word "client" hints that server on
Linux is non-existant? Then, it's not support. It's half-support. If I
have Linux server, I want to backup it on Linux, not install another NT
server.
n
Are you serious? DO you read what you are writing?
It doesn;t matter if a standard exist, if not 99% of
the implemetations follows
it. I didn't give you examples where a standard
lacks, I give you an example when IT IS NOT FOLLOWED.
And , as in C++, IT IS ALSO NOT FOLLOWED.
Dig it:
C AND C++
I am saying, again and again., and again and again:
I don;t mean that C doesn't HAVE a standard. The standard
is not followed.
That's all.
It is Like C++. C, like C++, has several standard, but no
one folows them. C is like C++ in that matter.
- Original Message -
From: Nadav Har'El
Sorry Everyone! I ment sprintf isn't standartized.
Here is the BSD definition, from Sun's site, you can see it returns
the pointer to the string:
http://docs.sun.com/ab2/coll.40.5/REFMAN3/@Ab2PageView/1370136?DwebQuery=ssc
anfAb2Lang=CAb2Enc=iso-8859-1
char * sprintf( s, format, va_list);
Hi,
Legato's official CD is issued every three months, and it includes the
versions VALIDATED
for that time. As any other software products in a very intensively changing
period, until
the next release there are temporary solutions, for not validated versions.
I hope the next Client Kit release
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Ury Segal wrote:
Umm..."b" is always supported, and the default mode is *always* text. It
just so happens that on UNIX, things happen to work even if you forget the
"b".
So what you are saying that there is no standard meaning for
"b" and "t". Exactly my point: No
Hi,
I feel I should clarify my original posting a little bit in light of the
Legato discussion.
I (and the others) was asking about a Backup Solution that runs on a
*Linux* server !!! Legato does NOT run on Linux (AFAIK). Besides that
Legato is quite pricey, too (at least last time I asked).
I have used Arkeia successfully at a number of sites and unsuccessfully
once with the evaluation version. The problem with Arkeia IMHO is that
when it doesn't work it is very difficult to debug. However *when* it
works it works very well. It's compression and remote backup facilities
are
Hi,
Logato's home page have been modified lastly and I agree it might
be improverd, including more URLs. The focus on Linux just started...
Some of the customers that I know about, who are using Linux as
NetWorker clients:
Hebrew University, Weizmann Institute,
Mellanox and lastly Sphera.
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote:
MZ Let me clarify the muddy waters: in no language I'm aware of, is "if" an
MZ object. In most sane languages (Scheme, Python, Smalltalk), a boolean is
MZ an object. In smalltalk, a boolean has a method called ifTrue which
Ahh...
Eazel does it: With its nifty Nautilus file manager, Eazel might make
Linux safe for the desktop. By Andrew Leonard
http://www.salon.com/tech/log/2000/07/25/eazel/index.html?CP=SALDN=110
Everybody! wish Chen happy B-day! :-)
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