Hurd [was Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings [OT] ]

2003-12-21 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Dovix wrote: Numbering is really not an issue. See, it can always start at 3.0 as the first stable version. That practice worked quite well with NT ;) By that time Linux may still be at 2.8, and if for some reason Linus will decide to go for the magic Number 3.0, Hurd

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Meir Kriheli wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 December 2003 21:10, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: A Microsoft networking division manager has been contacting LUGs (including LUGoD) regarding what appear to be focus groups concerning where

[OT] Penguin Happy Chanukkah

2003-12-21 Thread Alex Rier
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Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
I second you indeed. behdad On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Meir Kriheli wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 December 2003 21:10, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: A Microsoft networking division manager has been contacting LUGs

Re: Hurd [was Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings [OT] ]

2003-12-21 Thread Omer Zak
Another approach is for Hurd to implement interfaces, which will allow it to use Linux drivers (this approach is almost as heretical as developing a layer for allowing Linux to use NDIS-compatible drivers). On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Dovix wrote: Numbering

Re: [OT] Latex Q - page number appears on pg 1 with empty pagestyle

2003-12-21 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 07:46:56AM +0200, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: Aha! Yes, that is correct - this will print \thepage on first page. Ok - three solutions: 0. use [titlepage] 1. use book or report as class 2. use fancyhdr As I already wrote, \usepackage{nopageno} is the

Re: DocBook styles to make html documentation of kernel 2.6.0

2003-12-21 Thread Dovix
docbook is hardly something that no one knows anything about it. You can always read the docbook book (or by it) and it is indeed a very sophisticated document creation system that far exceeds in depth and flexibility any WYSIWYG systems. You can generate the output in multiple forms, such as

Re: Hurd [was Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings [OT] ]

2003-12-21 Thread Dovix
I was joking of course, about version numbers. That's why I added the [OT]. Funny, but it is a common knowledge that M$ apps become usable after their third version, and starting NT from 3.x didn't change that paradigm. I have the feeling that The Hurd will be fine WHEN and IF it is finally

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Oded Arbel
21 2003, 07:20,Behdad Esfahbod: On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: linux? what linux? in 5 years i would like to use the hurd! :) What does the hypothetical hurd has promised you to do that you like to use it? Is it the name that is better than linux? IMHO forget about

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Oded Arbel wrote: 21 2003, 07:20, ?? ??? ?? Behdad Esfahbod: On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: linux? what linux? in 5 years i would like to use the hurd! :) What does the hypothetical hurd has promised you to do

Re: DocBook styles to make html documentation of kernel 2.6.0

2003-12-21 Thread Dovix
My system could help you, though note that it is much less sophisticated than docbook and/or Borges, is still being updated from time to time (i.e. the XSL is still a mess as I'm learning the technology while writing it), supports only HTML generation and the documentation is still not

Re: [OT] Latex Q - page number appears on pg 1 with empty pagestyle

2003-12-21 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 07:46:56AM +0200, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: Quoth Micha Feigin: But the following isn't: \documentclass{article} \begin{document} \title{Title} \author{Author} \maketitle Aha! Yes, that is correct - this will print \thepage on

Re: [OT] Latex Q - page number appears on pg 1 with empty pagestyle

2003-12-21 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 11:34:46AM +0200, Dekel Tsur wrote: On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 07:46:56AM +0200, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: Aha! Yes, that is correct - this will print \thepage on first page. Ok - three solutions: 0. use [titlepage] 1. use book or report as class 2.

[OT] domain names in China ??

2003-12-21 Thread Dan Kenigsberg
I wonder, does anyone here have experience / heard of someone with experience / would like to share his wild guesses / about registring domain names in China? And no, I do not plan to initiate an offshore spam-spredding business there. Are there special things to worry about? Will just any

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Oded Arbel
21 2003, 14:52,Shlomi Fish: since Mandrake 7.2 I never had to re-compile the kernel, except UML kernels for kernel development HURD offers something very interesting in this areana: you won't need UML with HURD because each user can run her own drivers/filesystems/etc or even a full

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Oded Arbel wrote: 21 2003, 14:52, ?? ??? ?? Shlomi Fish: since Mandrake 7.2 I never had to re-compile the kernel, except UML kernels for kernel development HURD offers something very interesting in this areana: you won't need UML with

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Oded Arbel
21 2003, 19:41,Shlomi Fish: Is the situation considerably better in x86-based BSD systems? Not AFAIK. marginly better I mightsay. Hmmm... so it's not as much a problem of Linux as it is the problem of the wacky i386 architecture. And since Linux has to run there, I think that it

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Oded Arbel
21 2003, 19:42,Gilad Ben-Yossef: On Sunday 21 December 2003 18:37, Oded Arbel wrote: HURD offers something very interesting in this areana: you won't need UML with HURD because each user can run her own drivers/filesystems/etc or even a full kernel on a running system w/o affecting

Re: GNU/Hurd (Was: Microsoft interested in our feelings)

2003-12-21 Thread Oded Arbel
21 2003, 18:37,Oded Arbel: BTW - as Debian GNU/Hurd have been mentioned here, here are the installation instruction if anybody wants to try it out. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install Correction- don't use that manual. look for a debian package called crosshurd. AFAIU

Re: [OT] domain names in China ??

2003-12-21 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth Dan Kenigsberg on Sun, Dec 21, 2003: I wonder, does anyone here have experience / heard of someone with experience / would like to share his wild guesses / about registring domain names in China? Google would: http://www.cnnic.net.cn/en/index/index.htm

Re: Hurd [was Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings [OT] ]

2003-12-21 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 02:17:29AM -0800, Dovix wrote: I was joking of course, about version numbers. That's why I added the [OT]. Funny, but it is a common knowledge that M$ apps become usable after I would say barely usable, not usable. Taking win 3.11 as an example ;-) Actually when