Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Shay Gover]

So don't use microphones either.
Or just use it and see them explode. :)

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
>
> Geoff
>
> --
> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover , wrote:
>
> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
>> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
>> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
>> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
>> distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
>> needs to work out-of-the-box.
>> Specification wish list:
>> 512GB SSD
>> 16GB RAM
>> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
>> Webcam
>>
>> The budget is around 2k shekels.
>> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
>>
>> TIA
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Shlomi Fish]

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.
>
>
Which link? There were several in my original email. For the record, they
all open fine in firefox on fedora 32 x64.

Regarding Safari, see
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/2251253/is-safari-the-new-internet-explorer/
. Chrome is proprietary too (as opposed to chromium). Are you on an Apple
iDevice?


> Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one
> affiliated with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the
> palestinians? Or his sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the world
> appology?
>
> Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.
>
> Geoff
>
>
> --
> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , wrote:
>
> Hi Geoffrey!
>
> Please see
> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>
> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be able
> to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>
> * https://distrowatch.com/
>
> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
> geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>> --
>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
>> On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover , wrote:
>>
>> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
>>> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
>>> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
>>> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
>>> distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
>>> needs to work out-of-the-box.
>>> Specification wish list:
>>> 512GB SSD
>>> 16GB RAM
>>> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
>>> Webcam
>>>
>>> The budget is around 2k shekels.
>>> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
>>>
>>> TIA
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Shlomi Fish]

I have now tested all three links using chromium-browser and the "lynx"
browser on fedora and they all open fine in both browsers (as well as
firefox). Something is broken on your end, and I have no control on
proprietary browsers.

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:16 AM Shlomi Fish  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
> geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.
>>
>>
> Which link? There were several in my original email. For the record, they
> all open fine in firefox on fedora 32 x64.
>
> Regarding Safari, see
> https://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/2251253/is-safari-the-new-internet-explorer/
> . Chrome is proprietary too (as opposed to chromium). Are you on an Apple
> iDevice?
>
>
>> Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one
>> affiliated with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the
>> palestinians? Or his sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the world
>> appology?
>>
>> Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>>
>> --
>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
>> On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , wrote:
>>
>> Hi Geoffrey!
>>
>> Please see
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
>> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>>
>> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be
>> able to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>>
>> * https://distrowatch.com/
>>
>> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
>> geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>> --
>>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
>>> On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover , wrote:
>>>
>>> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
 couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
 but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
 The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
 distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
 needs to work out-of-the-box.
 Specification wish list:
 512GB SSD
 16GB RAM
 A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
 Webcam

 The budget is around 2k shekels.
 Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?

 TIA
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>>
>> Buddha has the Chuck Norris nature.
>>
>> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply
>> .
>>
>>
>
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>
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>
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi Geoffrey!

Please see https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html
and let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.

That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be able
to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:

* https://distrowatch.com/

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions



On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
>
> Geoff
>
> --
> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover , wrote:
>
> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
>> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
>> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
>> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
>> distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
>> needs to work out-of-the-box.
>> Specification wish list:
>> 512GB SSD
>> 16GB RAM
>> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
>> Webcam
>>
>> The budget is around 2k shekels.
>> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
>>
>> TIA
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Geoffrey Mendelson]

Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.

Geoff

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On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover , wrote:
> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a 
> > > couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install 
> > > myself, but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> > > The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable 
> > > distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware 
> > > needs to work out-of-the-box.
> > > Specification wish list:
> > > 512GB SSD
> > > 16GB RAM
> > > A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> > > Webcam
> > >
> > > The budget is around 2k shekels.
> > > Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
> > >
> > > TIA
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 12 May 2020 09:44:34 +0300
Shlomi Fish  wrote:

> Hi Geoffrey!
> 
> Please see
> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.

Well, speaking only for myself, in 2009 I erased Mint from all my
computers and never used it again. The following is a contemporaneous
description of why:

http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/200908/200908.htm#_The_Politics_of_Free_Software:_Pet_predjudices

If anybody knows the location of a web resource in which the Mint
project completely repudiated the unfortunate words Clem LeFebre placed
*on the official Mint blog*, I'll change my stance.
Otherwise, I'll neither use nor recommend Linux Mint.

Just in case somebody here doesn't know what we're talking about, the
message originally posted on the official Linux Mint blog included the
phrase "I don’t want any money or help coming from Israel or people who
support the action of their current government."

SteveT

Steve Litt 
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Geoffrey Mendelson]

i went to the trouble of signing into one of my linux servers and reading the 
link.

It was your telling me not to talk about how RMS said as president of the FSF 
that he was going to honor the Palestinian boycott of Israel. It had nothing to 
do with linux mint.

Totally irrelevant.

Geoff.

As a side note, RMS jeapordized the FSF, project GNU, and pissed off Larry 
Ellison, who instead of giving Open Office to the FSF gave it to the Apache 
Foundation.

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On May 12, 2020, 10:23 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , wrote:
> I have now tested all three links using chromium-browser and the "lynx" 
> browser on fedora and they all open fine in both browsers (as well as 
> firefox). Something is broken on your end, and I have no control on 
> proprietary browsers.
>
> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:16 AM Shlomi Fish  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM Geoffrey Mendelson 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > > The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Which link? There were several in my original email. For the record, 
> > > > they all open fine in firefox on fedora 32 x64.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding Safari, see 
> > > > https://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/2251253/is-safari-the-new-internet-explorer/
> > > >  . Chrome is proprietary too (as opposed to chromium). Are you on an 
> > > > Apple iDevice?
> > > >
> > > > > Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one 
> > > > > affiliated with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the 
> > > > > palestinians? Or his sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the 
> > > > > world appology?
> > > > >
> > > > > Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.
> > > > >
> > > > > Geoff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> > > > > On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Geoffrey!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please see 
> > > > > > https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html 
> > > > > > and let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully 
> > > > > > be able to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * https://distrowatch.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Geoff
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, 
> > > > > > > > Israel
> > > > > > > > On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover 
> > > > > > > > , wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux 
> > > > > > > > > > > pre-installed for a couple of senior citizens. I'd 
> > > > > > > > > > > usually buy a generic PC and install myself, but now due 
> > > > > > > > > > > to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> > > > > > > > > > > The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking 
> > > > > > > > > > > for a stable distro and long term support (e.g. the 
> > > > > > > > > > > latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware needs to work 
> > > > > > > > > > > out-of-the-box.
> > > > > > > > > > > Specification wish list:
> > > > > > > > > > > 512GB SSD
> > > > > > > > > > > 16GB RAM
> > > > > > > > > > > A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> > > > > > > > > > > Webcam
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The budget is around 2k shekels.
> > > > > > > > > > > Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such 
> > > > > > > > > > > configurations?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > TIA
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > Buddha has the Chuck Norris nature.
> > > > > >
> > > 

Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi Geoffrey,

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:51 PM Geoffrey Mendelson <
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> i went to the trouble of signing into one of my linux servers and reading
> the link.
>
> It was your telling me not to talk about how RMS said as president of the
> FSF that he was going to honor the Palestinian boycott of Israel. It had
> nothing to do with linux mint.
>
>
That link was to an archived Linux-IL post by Jeremy Hoyland (not by me)
and it reads:

«

Jeremy Hoyland

Mon,
20 Nov 2017 05:10:06 -0800


RMS was bullied into canceling his Israeli University talks by his (paying)
Palestinian hosts. He explains here:

http://stallman.org/articles/palestine-trip.html

Can we PLEASE stop playing politics now? This is NOT the right forum, and
we're none of us any good at it. RMS himself is a great example.

J.

[full disclosure; I use and enjoy Linux Mint, just as I enjoy the music of
Richard Wagner. Bad people can create good things]

»

So it has everything to do with Linux Mint, and the tiresome argument that
it should be avoided just because one of its lead developers may hold
antisemitic views.

Totally irrelevant.
>
> Geoff.
>
> As a side note, RMS jeapordized the FSF, project GNU, and pissed off Larry
> Ellison, who instead of giving Open Office to the FSF gave it to the Apache
> Foundation.
>
>
This is discussed in Tzafrir's reply which was quoted in the reply to it in
this exact link:

https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html

I didn't write it either, but it seems to me that his doubts have some
merit.

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> On May 12, 2020, 10:23 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , wrote:
>
> I have now tested all three links using chromium-browser and the "lynx"
> browser on fedora and they all open fine in both browsers (as well as
> firefox). Something is broken on your end, and I have no control on
> proprietary browsers.
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:16 AM Shlomi Fish  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
>> geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.
>>>
>>>
>> Which link? There were several in my original email. For the record, they
>> all open fine in firefox on fedora 32 x64.
>>
>> Regarding Safari, see
>> https://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/2251253/is-safari-the-new-internet-explorer/
>> . Chrome is proprietary too (as opposed to chromium). Are you on an Apple
>> iDevice?
>>
>>
>>> Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one
>>> affiliated with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the
>>> palestinians? Or his sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the world
>>> appology?
>>>
>>> Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
>>> On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Geoffrey!
>>>
>>> Please see
>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
>>> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>>>
>>> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be
>>> able to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>>>
>>> * https://distrowatch.com/
>>>
>>> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
>>> geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.

 Geoff

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 On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover ,
 wrote:

 Why not install yourself? use mint distro.

 On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install 
> myself,
> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
> distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
> needs to work out-of-the-box.
> Specification wish list:
> 512GB SSD
> 16GB RAM
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Re: Gmail and Claws

[Yedidyah Bar David]

Not directly related, but I'd like to also point out, as no-one
mentioned this yet:

https://gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2019/12/less-secure-apps-oauth-google-username-password-incorrect.html

TL;DR: they are stopping Less-Secure-Apps support in June. Blog post
talks about "G Suite", so perhaps does not apply to gmail.com, not
sure.

So: Be prepared to start using OAUTH2, and if your favourite app does
not support that, plan ahead - find an alternative, spend time adding
that yourself, lobby...

My guess is that even if this does not apply to gmail.com, nor to
app-specific passwords, it will likely eventually apply to these.
Didn't do a thorough search on the subject.

Best regards,

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 5:37 AM Steve Litt  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:43:51 +0300
> shlomo solomon  wrote:
>
> > I see what you're doing, but don't see how this would solve my
> > problem. Moving from pop3 to imap would not change the fact that
> > Google is not allowing me to login.
>
> It takes about 10 minutes to make the switch, and if necessary 10
> minutes to switch it back. If it changes the symptom, then your mental
> model of how things really are (as opposed to their design or how a
> sane person would design it) was inaccurate. In other words, the bug
> could be bizarre, and if that's true, 10 minutes is the cheapest
> possible way to find out.
>
> I wish I had a dime for every time somebody said "it can't be that,
> that won't change it" when I recommended a diagnostic test, and then the
> diagnostic test changes it in an unexpected way.
>
>
> > And most probably, Ori is correct
> > in his opinion that the problem is the login to Google services - not
> > to pop3.
>
> >
> > Or do you think that procmail would be allowed to login where claws is
> > not allowed?
>
> That would be fetchmail grabbing your mail from the server. Fetchamail
> grabs it, then hands it off, on your local machine, to procmail to be
> sorted or /dev/nulled. In answer to your question, if Claws is buggy
> when it pulls pop, then swapping in fetchmail would fix the problem.
> Or, if the problem is with Google's pop server but not their imap
> server, then switching to imap would fix the problem. And if the
> problem doesn't get fixed, you ruled out some things.
>
> >
> > Just to remind you of what I wrote in my original post - this has
> > worked fine for many years and since nothing has changed on my end, I
> > have no reason to think that pop3 is the problem.
>
> That's my point. The past few weeks you've randomly gotten this error
> when pulling email. It's an intermittent problem, logic is the usual
> victim of intermittent problem, and it's often best to use an alternate
> set of debugging tactics when dealing with intermittents.
>
> What I'd do in your situation is:
>
> 1) Make a Claws folder just to contain downloaded stuff.
>
> 2) Temporarily configure fetchmail to retrieve from the offending gmail
> account and send the messages to procmail.
>
> 3) Configure procmail to place all messages in your new folder
>
> 4) Look for evidence of login failures
>
>
> In case you're using MH folders with your Claws, here are some docs on
> how to get procmail to drop messages into MH folders:
>
> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/mh-e/Procmail.html
>
> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/336420/how-do-you-use-procmail-mda-to-deliver-files-to-be-read-by-mh
>
> https://linux.die.net/man/5/procmailex
>
> http://www.cs.utah.edu/~clake/soc_mh.html
>
> SteveT
>
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Geoffrey Mendelson]

The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.

Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one affiliated 
with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the palestinians? Or his 
sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the world appology?

Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.

Geoff


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On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , wrote:
> Hi Geoffrey!
>
> Please see https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html 
> and let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>
> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be able to 
> recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>
> * https://distrowatch.com/
>
> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>
>
>
> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson 
> >  wrote:
> > > Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --
> > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> > > On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover , wrote:
> > > > Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for 
> > > > > > a couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and 
> > > > > > install myself, but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> > > > > > The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable 
> > > > > > distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The 
> > > > > > hardware needs to work out-of-the-box.
> > > > > > Specification wish list:
> > > > > > 512GB SSD
> > > > > > 16GB RAM
> > > > > > A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> > > > > > Webcam
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The budget is around 2k shekels.
> > > > > > Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TIA
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Geoffrey Mendelson]

Here is a good place to start.

https://abriefhistory.org/?p=774

Geoff

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On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , wrote:
> Hi Geoffrey!
>
> Please see https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html 
> and let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>
> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be able to 
> recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>
> * https://distrowatch.com/
>
> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>
>
>
> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson 
> >  wrote:
> > > Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --
> > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> > > On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover , wrote:
> > > > Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for 
> > > > > > a couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and 
> > > > > > install myself, but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> > > > > > The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable 
> > > > > > distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The 
> > > > > > hardware needs to work out-of-the-box.
> > > > > > Specification wish list:
> > > > > > 512GB SSD
> > > > > > 16GB RAM
> > > > > > A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> > > > > > Webcam
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The budget is around 2k shekels.
> > > > > > Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TIA
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Yedidyah Bar David]

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 10:49 PM Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a couple 
> of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself, but now 
> due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable distro 
> and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware needs to 
> work out-of-the-box.
> Specification wish list:
> 512GB SSD
> 16GB RAM
> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> Webcam
>
> The budget is around 2k shekels.
> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?

FWIW: Around two months ago, when it was clear that with the corona
situation I'll need another laptop, for my kids' home-schooling, I
went to the nearby KSP store, asked what they can offer (without even
searching their site), and bought something that I can't find on their
site anymore, but similar ones are:

https://ksp.co.il/?select=.268..271..132..1784.==1=2=0=0_search===0=0==_real=

This link to a search result gives you all their Dell laptops with
Linux on them, cheapest first, which is currently ~ 2500 NIS. Mine was
~ 2300 NIS and has 256GB SSD (vs 512 for cheapest now).

It arrived with Ubuntu 18.04, everything worked out of the box. My
kids generally like it, and I too (but hardly ever use it, other than
for helping them), definitely for this price.

Cheapest there with 16GB RAM (which is what you wanted) is ~ 4000,
quite a lot higher, but perhaps you can add RAM to one of the others,
no idea.

 Of course, if you buy a brand name, you can get it in any other
store, and are quite likely to get exactly the same thing, as opposed
to someone building it for you from parts.

Best regards,

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