OpenSSH + PPC

2002-10-06 Thread Michael Sternberg


I wonder if anybody tried to compile OpenSSH on PPC platform (or with any 
cross-compiler at all).
Here is what I'm trying to do:

export CFLAGS=
export LDFLAGS=
export CPPFLAGS=
export CC=ppc_8xx-gcc
export LD=ppc_8xx-nm
export LD=ppc_8xx-ld
export AR=ppc_8xx-ar
export RANLIB=ppc_8xx-ranlib
export STRIP=ppc_8xx-strip
export CXX=ppc_8xx-g++
/configure --host=ppc-8xx-linux-gnu

And I receive message saying:
cannot run test program while cross compiling.
What can I do (short of manually editing the configure script) ?

Thanks, Michael.

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mandrake 9 update source

2002-10-06 Thread Amir Tal

so I've decided to give MDK 9 a try. ;)

can anyone recommend a good and fast one ? everything in the default list is 
either very slow or dead.

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Re: mandrake 9 update source

2002-10-06 Thread Shachar Shemesh

I'm currently D/L it from IGLU at 150K/s

Shachar


Amir Tal wrote:

so I've decided to give MDK 9 a try. ;)

can anyone recommend a good and fast one ? everything in the default list is 
either very slow or dead.

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job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Guy Cohen

Well since every one dont give a f*ck about the list and 
thinks it's their mothers, i want too.

HEY... IM LOOKING FOR A JOB CAN YOU HALP ME
I DONT CARE IF THATS OFFTOPIC/INAPPROPRIATE/RUDE/WTF I DONT CARE!!

I WANT A JOB!

will you hire me?

And the worst thing is that im the only one who flame them.

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Re: mandrake 9 update source

2002-10-06 Thread Adir Abraham

I believe that you're referring to the links. In this case - ftp.tux.org
and ftp.stealth.net are very good ones (once they are not fulfilled :).

On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Amir Tal wrote:

 so I've decided to give MDK 9 a try. ;)

 can anyone recommend a good and fast one ? everything in the default list is
 either very slow or dead.

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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Shachar Shemesh

Will the people on this list who want to shamelessly leach it for their 
own personal job-searching agenda PLEASE at least give a URL with their 
resume? I don't think that, given the times, I want to flame the job 
seekers, but there is really nothing to show my HR department unless you 
also give a CV.

Also, please try to keep it one post per person per previous job. Let's 
try and keep the noise to a bare minimum without hindering Linux job 
searches.

Shachar


Guy Cohen wrote:

Well since every one dont give a f*ck about the list and 
thinks it's their mothers, i want too.

HEY... IM LOOKING FOR A JOB CAN YOU HALP ME
I DONT CARE IF THATS OFFTOPIC/INAPPROPRIATE/RUDE/WTF I DONT CARE!!

I WANT A JOB!

will you hire me?

And the worst thing is that im the only one who flame them.

  




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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt

Guy Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Well since every one dont give a f*ck about the list and 
 thinks it's their mothers, i want too.
 
 HEY... IM LOOKING FOR A JOB CAN YOU HALP ME
 I DONT CARE IF THATS OFFTOPIC/INAPPROPRIATE/RUDE/WTF I DONT CARE!!
 
 I WANT A JOB!
 
 will you hire me?
 
 And the worst thing is that im the only one who flame them.

IIRC, it has been decided long ago (longer than the archives are kept,
I guess, though I have not checked) that postings regarding (linux)
jobs - both ways - were acceptable on the list. Suitable employment
for linux professionals in Israel definitely is in the interest of
promoting Linux in this country, both potential employees and
potential employers are known to be subscribed, and thus some useful
information can conceivably be passed around. Job-related postings
happen rarely enough not to affect S/N adversely.

With all due respect to your hurt feelings, the people who lately
informed the list they were available for hire (I don't mean just
myself) have been here for a **long** time, and generally respect the
netiquette. Maybe that's why no one flamed the previous posters. Of
course it well may be that I was not flamed yet for the sole reason
that people type too slowly...

The list is not my (late) mother's - it's Marc's. And I am not
offended - I just sincerely think your flame is misguided.

Thanks, and apologies to anyone who thinks my posting (and therefore
a few others that appeared over the last several weeks) were
inappropriate.
 
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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Guy Cohen

On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 02:47:26PM +0300, Orna Agmon wrote:
 
 I think job offers and job-wanted offers are very much on topic in 
 linux-il, if they are linux related.

I don't see how. consider having 200 people fired from whateverbigcompany
in a day, now since most of them are linux/unix professionals they are surly
subscribe to linux-il. what if 30% of them decide to post a short message
to the list saying they want a job? you'll have 50-70 emails for job
requests? thats nice. I like to see that in a technical/political list. 
It's very constructive to the overall float of information.

an alternative would be to open linux-il-jobs.
consider doing this because self propaganda is not in place for
this list.

any btw, I too am looking for jobs but as much as i wanted (and i did)
to send my intro to the list, well, I didn't.

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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Guy Cohen

On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 11:58:52AM -, Moshe Zadka wrote:
 On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Guy Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  And the worst thing is that im the only one who flame them.
 
 Maybe there's a good reason for you being the only one who flames
 them.

yes. im shameless.

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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread shaulka

On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 02:19:37PM +0300, Guy Cohen wrote:
 Well since every one dont give a f*ck about the list and 
 thinks it's their mothers, i want too.
 
 HEY... IM LOOKING FOR A JOB CAN YOU HALP ME
 I DONT CARE IF THATS OFFTOPIC/INAPPROPRIATE/RUDE/WTF I DONT CARE!!
 
 I WANT A JOB!
 
 will you hire me?
 
 And the worst thing is that im the only one who flame them.
 


It is my opinion that there was yet not a single looking for a job 
message that was off topic.

In addition, I would also like to know what is going on because it
seems that many people are loosing their job lately. I consider this
information on topic as well.

Of course this is only my opinion.


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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Nadav Har'El

On Sun, Oct 06, 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!:
 Will the people on this list who want to shamelessly leach it for their 

Again, I don't think the phrase shamelessly leach is appropriate here.
It was decided that such postings were acceptable. Moreover, as Oleg correctly
pointed out, the latest want-ad here were not cases of hit-and-run, where
somebody joins the list for the sole purpose of advertising. It couldn't have
been more the opposite - all these people, including Oleg, have been
subscribed to this list for years and have helped countless of other
subscribers.

 own personal job-searching agenda PLEASE at least give a URL with their 
 resume?

Since nobody posted here their job-searching agenda without a CV URL,
why do you even bother complaining about this non-issue?

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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Omer Zak


On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Guy Cohen wrote:

 I don't see how. consider having 200 people fired from whateverbigcompany
 in a day, now since most of them are linux/unix professionals they are surly
 subscribe to linux-il. what if 30% of them decide to post a short message
 to the list saying they want a job? you'll have 50-70 emails for job
 requests? thats nice. I like tosee that in a technical/political list.
 It's very constructive to the overall float of information.

Then, let them post a short message to the list.  I would tolerate getting
a burst of 70 job request E-mail messages, once each few months.  gI never
saw such a burst during all the years in which the Linux-IL mailing list
exists.

And once the average gets to be 10 job related E-mail messages a week, I
am sure that few of the job seekers would be able to spare few hours to
add to www.iglu.org.il a mechanism for registering job seekers and for
helping employers look for them; and to post to Linux-IL a weekly
reminder for people to post their newbie questions to Gnubies-IL; and
to use the Web site for their job and/or employee searches.

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RE: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Martin Polley

Guy Cohen wrote:
snip
I don't see how. consider having 200 people fired from
whateverbigcompany in a day, now since most of them are linux/unix
professionals they are surly subscribe to linux-il. what if 30% of them
decide to post a short message to the list saying they want a job?
you'll have 50-70 emails for job requests? thats nice. I like to see
that in a technical/political list. 
It's very constructive to the overall float of information.
/snip

If that DID happen (and it hasn't--the posts, I mean, not the job losses
:(  ) then there would be an argument for a linux-il-jobs list. However,
I'm sure a lot less people would be exposed to what would be posted
there.

The nature of mailing lists makes it very easy to skim over the headers
and ignore the ones that are of no interest. Thus, a few I am looking
for work posts do not bother me. Feel free to post, Guy

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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Tzafrir Cohen

On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Guy Cohen wrote:

 an alternative would be to open linux-il-jobs.
 consider doing this because self propaganda is not in place for
 this list.

There is il.jobs.resumes , IIRC. It contains mostly spam, though.

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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Shachar Shemesh



Nadav Har'El wrote:

On Sun, Oct 06, 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!:
  

Will the people on this list who want to shamelessly leach it for their 



Again, I don't think the phrase shamelessly leach is appropriate here.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=irony
Should have been obvious from the rest of the message.

own personal job-searching agenda PLEASE at least give a URL with their 
resume?



Since nobody posted here their job-searching agenda without a CV URL,
why do you even bother complaining about this non-issue?

Actually, Guy did. I think he wound up doing the worst possible thing, 
both if you consider job seeking messages a problem (whereas he sent 
such a message, albeit slightly sarcastic) or not (whereas he sent it 
without a CV, so no help possible).

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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 In addition, I would also like to know what is going on because it
 seems that many people are loosing their job lately. 

Or quit. The latest several job-seeking leeches have not discussed the
reasons.

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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other miracles

Guy Cohen wrote:
 
 Well since every one dont give a f*ck about the list and
 thinks it's their mothers, i want too.

The original posting was short, to the point and on topic. It told me
(and anyone who bothered to read it) that 
a) A respected member of this list is looking for a job.
b) A pointer to the CV telling me about this person.
c) A certain company just decided to get rid of this person.

All 3 pieces of information relevant to the topic of Linux in Israel.

 
 HEY... IM LOOKING FOR A JOB CAN YOU HALP ME
 I DONT CARE IF THATS OFFTOPIC/INAPPROPRIATE/RUDE/WTF I DONT CARE!!
 
 I WANT A JOB!
 
 will you hire me?

If one would have to judge by your communication skills, you should hope
that you do not need to walk a mile in the shoes of the original poster.

 
 And the worst thing is that im the only one who flame them.

Perhaps there is a message there somewhere

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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt


Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other miracles 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 c) A certain company just decided to get rid of this person.

This piece of information was not in the OP. But thanks for the
respected part - I was hoping someone would think so... ;-)

People, I am sorry, I did not want to start the first flame war of the
week. Now if we could drop this thread then maybe someone could shoot
an email to a friend who needs services of a linux hacker? ;-)

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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Guy Cohen

On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 04:33:15PM +0300, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 03:24:11PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote:
 
   own personal job-searching agenda PLEASE at least give a URL with their 
   resume?
  
  Since nobody posted here their job-searching agenda without a CV URL,
  why do you even bother complaining about this non-issue?
 
 Actually, one person did - Guy Cohen. 
 Guy, you get 9 for rant value and 7 for style - in the future, don't
 forget to use 31337 5p34k. 

1m 5066Y (mr. hacker at large). 1 4m N0t !00k1n f0r 4 j0b. n1th35 d0 1
5p34k 14m3l33t.

well actualy i do look for jobs, not job, but 
a) if that was understood from my previous email, then i goto refresh 
my sarcasem skills... or you should...
b) thats off topic. no?

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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda

On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 03:24:11PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote:

  own personal job-searching agenda PLEASE at least give a URL with their 
  resume?
 
 Since nobody posted here their job-searching agenda without a CV URL,
 why do you even bother complaining about this non-issue?

Actually, one person did - Guy Cohen. 
Guy, you get 9 for rant value and 7 for style - in the future, don't
forget to use 31337 5p34k. 

ObLinux: here's a nifty script to see who's checking out your CV from
an apache log. It's just thrown together, but it does the job. 

#!/bin/bash

# grab people who are looking for my cv 
for f in `grep cv $HTTPD_LOG  | cut -f 1 -d ' ' | sort | uniq `; do host $f; done  
/tmp/cvlookers

# grab ip addresses
awk '/not found/ {print $2}' /tmp/cvlookers | sort

# grab resolved hostname
awk '/domain name pointer/ {print $5}' /tmp/cvlookers | sort
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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Eli Marmor

Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
 
 Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other miracles 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  c) A certain company just decided to get rid of this person.
 
 This piece of information was not in the OP. But thanks for the

It was.
As an indirect-indirect-pointer, but it was.
I hope everything is OK there.
Thanks G-d, at least money isn't missing there.

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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread Amir Tal

are we living in the same country as the reporter who wrote this ??
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2160334,00.html

and i thought things were bad... ;)  (i know they are for me)

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Why jobs are wanted (was Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!)

2002-10-06 Thread herouth

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 In addition, I would also like to know what is going on because it
 seems that many people are loosing their job lately. I consider this
 information on topic as well.

Ah, well, there are several reasons:

The quarter has just ended, and with it, dire financial results for many companies.

Also, many companies have deferred the cutbacks till after the holidays.

Mine, too. :-(

Herouth

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Re: xmms rh8

2002-10-06 Thread voguemaster

04/10/02 13:39:57, Mark Veltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What is so strange ? MP3 is a COPYRIGHTED format. A german research 
institution holds the copy right and has started to sue companies who 
distribute mp3 players without paying them royalties (since they can't sue 
the users themselves since there aren't enough lawyers for that. Maybe if we 
all sue ourselves in a civilian court and pay ourself the representation 
fees...).

Move to Ogg Vorbis and be happy and patent free...

MP3 is the GIF of audio... It will be remmembered as a small distraction on 
the high road to enlightenment...:)


Well I kindly disagree that mp3 will be forgotten easily. It's so popular, and for
a good reason!
Just like jpeg.

Forget it, I doubt it'll happen. At the end I think untill a much better format comes
around, mp3 will rule, regardless.

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Re: xmms rh8

2002-10-06 Thread voguemaster

04/10/02 15:58:09, Amir Tal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Friday 04 October 2002 11:28 am, voguemaster wrote:
 Honestly I don't quite get it.
 How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of the system ??

 RH at previous versions could play mp3 easily, now you can't use XMMS
 ?? This makes me think twice about this release..


they did it because of piracy issues. you can always get the plugin's and add 
them manually.

tal.


Again, I'm asking: is getting the plugin manually legit ?? 

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Re: xmms rh8

2002-10-06 Thread voguemaster

04/10/02 14:11:16, Oleg Kobets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Besides, you can easily d/l the missing rpm from xmms website.

Oleg.

And is THAT legal ?? Those libraries use a technology which is
patented, how is that allowed ???

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RE: xmms rh8

2002-10-06 Thread Tzahi Fadida

I ___Think its
legal for u, not legal for them. why should you care.
you cannot be held liable for using something that is buried under a
million lines of code, and no warning, or cease and desist kind of
message for every user that in good conscience d/led a plugin.
But IANAL.

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 Besides, you can easily d/l the missing rpm from xmms website.
 
 Oleg.

 And is THAT legal ?? Those libraries use a technology which is
 patented, how is that allowed ???

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RE: xmms rh8

2002-10-06 Thread Dvir Volk

I highly doubt it's legal. I've looked in fraunhofer's site, which
refered me to an mp3 licensing site, that said:

Do you license mp3/mp3PRO software to end users?
No. We license mp3/mp3PRO software and patents to developers and
manufacturers of software applications and hardware devices. 

Many software companies have a license for mp3 software applications
from us (See list of Licensed Companies). Please contact them directly
for their mp3/mp3PRO products or visit their web site. 

They also have a list of all the companies that licensed mp3 use.
Needless to say that neither redhat nor xmms.org were registered.
http://mp3licensing.com/licensees/index.asp

 

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From: voguemaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 5:48 PM
To: Linux-IL
Subject: Re: xmms rh8


04/10/02 14:11:16, Oleg Kobets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Besides, you can easily d/l the missing rpm from xmms website.

Oleg.

And is THAT legal ?? Those libraries use a technology which is patented,
how is that allowed ???

Eli


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 So many different suns
 And we have just one world
 But we live in different ones..
 
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How times have changed (Was: job wanted also - NOT - YES!)

2002-10-06 Thread Aviram Jenik

 
 IIRC, it has been decided long ago (longer than the archives are kept,
 I guess, though I have not checked) that postings regarding (linux)
 jobs - both ways - were acceptable on the list. 

Just to be historically correct, it was decided about 2 years ago that
job _offers_ that are related to Linux are acceptable.
At those times, there were dozens of open positions and employers were
just craving to find more people to throw their investor's money at.
Posting job requests was never discussed (IIRC) since it seemed like a
totally unlikely event that someone will be actually *looking* for a job
on those crazy days.

[Don't get me wrong - I all for posting Linux-related job requests.
Specifically, the last 3 people have both enough credit on this list and
special job-seeking circumstances to justify that]

- Aviram


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[OT] Re: How times have changed (Was: job wanted also - NOT - YES!)

2002-10-06 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt

Aviram Jenik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Just to be historically correct, it was decided about 2 years ago that
 job _offers_ that are related to Linux are acceptable.

My recollection is different, but I may be mistaken and the archives
don't go back even two years. In any case, links to resumes are posted
here from time to time and generally don't generate negative reaction.
Maybe Guy's reaction is also a manifestation of this change?

But yes, times have changed. In the past I myself posted at least one job
offer on this list - does that vindicate me to some extent? ;-)

I do plead guilty to not marking my posting OT - I should have been
careful (I am now - check the subject above).

Now, ObListHistory: does anyone know if archives of the late 20th
century postings are available? It would be an interesting historical
document for us, wouldn't it? Evgeny?

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First binary search algorithm - J. Mauchly, 1946
First correct binary search algorithm - D.H.Lehmer, 1960 

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job seekers

2002-10-06 Thread Meir Michanie

for all those job seekers, checkout www.jobnet.co.il
there is a lot of linux requests.

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I tried buying a goat instead of a lawn tractor; had to return
it though.  Couldn't figure out a way to connect the snow blower.


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modifying phpnuke, postnuke or phpwebsite for utf8

2002-10-06 Thread Arie Folger

hi,

Did anybody attempt to force nukephp, postnuke or phpwebsite to use utf8 
everywere instead of iso-8859-1? I am no php cognoscenti (although it does 
look very much like a cross between perl and html), so I am likely to 
overlook some calls that automatically generate a default charset.

Does anybody know what I should look out for if I want to apply such 
modification? 

(I know, grep iso-8859-1 and then change that. I am looking for the other 
cases, and whether I have to add something like 'use utf8' in perl.)

Arie Folger
-- 
It is absurd to seek to give an account of the matter to a man 
who cannot himself give an account of anything; for insofar as
he is already like this, such a man is no better than a vegetable.
   -- Book IV of Aristotle's Metaphysics

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Re: xmms rh8

2002-10-06 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo

On Friday 04 October 2002 19:10, Nadav Har'El wrote:
 On Fri, Oct 04, 2002, voguemaster wrote about Re: xmms rh8:
  Honestly I don't quite get it.
  How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of the system ??
 
  RH at previous versions could play mp3 easily, now you can't use XMMS
  ?? This makes me think twice about this release..

 Yes, this was a really chicken move from Redhat.

I forwarded an Email from the guys in germany that they don't really care 
about XMMS or any open source MP3 players (not encoders - they have some 
fight with the LAME project guys), but unfortunately (and lately typical 
behavior of Red Hat personnel) they didn't care so much and they gave me the 
reason that the GPL disallowes you to spread a GPL program which implements 
some patents.. go figure (of course the fact that they do bundle programs 
like aktion or Xine which got TONS of patents on it [feel free to search for 
MPEG-2 patents] didn't really bother them so much..

 Another thing that I was disappointed to see Redhat not providing with
 their distribution any more was the immortal game xbill :(

deprecated..

Thanks
Hetz (who's suffering right now from Bezeq's stupidity regardin ADSL)..

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Re: xmms rh8

2002-10-06 Thread Oded Arbel

áéåí øàùåï, 6 áàå÷èåáø 2002, 19:38, Dvir Volk ëúá:
 I highly doubt it's legal. I've looked in fraunhofer's site, which
 refered me to an mp3 licensing site, that said:
 snip

From that QA it seems to me that developers are required to get a license, 
but not users - you are expected to use a licensed software, but if you 
don't, nobody expects you to buy a private license.

This is unlike the GIF issue where Unisys wants you to buy a license if your 
GIFs were not created by a licensed software - even if the files were not 
created by you.

-- 
Oded 

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ever asks to see 'em?
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