Re: CD burning under Debian Sarge?
On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 02:41:19AM +0200, Alex Alexander wrote: On Sunday 25 December 2005 17:16, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: The hard way: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 The easy way: kernel-image-2.6-686 - Source of the packages (if not mirrored by Hamakor) kernel-source-version It's linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-source-version actually :) kernel-image . linux-image is a new Etch thingie. adding deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main in your /etc/apt/sources.list and running apt-get update apt-get upgrade should fix everything for u without much hassle (just reboot afterwards). Not if you have kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 installed and didn't install the virtual package kernel-image-2.6-686 . The change from -1- to -2- was because there was a change there that broke theABI to many modules. And thus you had to use a different version string in case someone built third party modules against it. However you could add the testing repositories, create a preferences file (to block testing packages from being used automatically) and only install the testing kernel package. And then you get a linux-image package (rather than kernel-image package). Here's how: * add testing to your sources.list file * create /etc/apt/preferences with the following contents: Package: * Pin: release o=Debian,a=stable Pin-Priority: 900 Package: * Pin: release o=Debian,a=testing Pin-Priority: 400 * #apt-get update * #apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 -t testing apt-get upgrade will still stick to sarge/stable (best of both worls ;) And now I get to update my kernel image package whenever the testing package changes. Not to mention the daily downloads of the whole Packages.gz of testing just for one package. For such simple cases, I rather just dpkg --install package.deb . -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AMD mobo suggestions
Hi everyone, I am looking into buying a new computer, and I am considering 64-bit AMD. One of the things I am getting a bit uncertain about is the level of support for AMD motherboards commonly available in neighbourhood computer shops. It is going to be my main home station, and it is important to me that things will work out of the box more or less OK with modern distros (e.g. Fedora 4), and that I don't spend too much time and effort downloading different drivers from assorted manufacturers that will provide partial functionality with particular kernel versions etc. In other words, I put a premium on minimizing the hassle. I also don't want to buy new HW every year or two - I want a box that will serve me for the next few years. It will not be greatly stressed, but stability and longevity is very important. The more I read the more concerned I become. For instance, the latest AMD mobo I've been offered is ASUS A8N-VM CSM. I tried to look through 2.6 kernel configuration options and also read some reviews, especially Linux-related ones. Here is a typical (and recent) one: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/77909774/m/924000436731/p/1 - I certainly don't want any of the hassle and instabilities and cooling problems listed there. Rather than reading more reviews of different mobos and getting more and more worried, I would love to hear about experiences and suggestions. * Have you got a mobo that worked out of the box and without a major driver hassle? * Have you got a mobo that you would advise staying away from? * Will I be better off with Intel-based systems given my requirements? CPU performance is not really critical for me, 64-bit Intel systems seem to sell cheaper than low-end Athlon64's, possibly at the expense of some performance, the mobos I've been offered have Intel GPUs and Realtek NICs that seem to be better supported - is this impression an illusion? Any relevant advice will be appreciated. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD mobo suggestions
I've had a Gigabyte K8NS Ultra-939 (with a 3200 64bit CPU) for over a year and the only problem I've had was that when I set the BIOS to use Dual Channel DDR400 memory, the system seemed a bit unstable - but that may be a memory (hardware) problem - I never bothered to check. After disabling the Dual Channel feature everything runs out of the box. This Motherboard has lots of extra features that you may not need (in fact I guess I don't either) like dual Raid, 2 on-board LAN chips (10/100 10/100/1000) and even a Dual BIOS. It also has a hardware Firewall, but that feature is NOT supported by Linux (although I think it's only a problem with the front-end software which runs on Windows only). In any case, go for a 939 pin board (not 754) since this will allow future upgrapes of the CPU. My system is Mandrake 10.1 (out of the box kernel - 2.6.8.1-12mdk). On Monday 26 December 2005 13:57, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Hi everyone, I am looking into buying a new computer, and I am considering 64-bit AMD. One of the things I am getting a bit uncertain about is the level of support for AMD motherboards commonly available in neighbourhood computer shops. It is going to be my main home station, and it is important to me that things will work out of the box more or less OK with modern distros (e.g. Fedora 4), and that I don't spend too much time and effort downloading different drivers from assorted manufacturers that will provide partial functionality with particular kernel versions etc. In other words, I put a premium on minimizing the hassle. I also don't want to buy new HW every year or two - I want a box that will serve me for the next few years. It will not be greatly stressed, but stability and longevity is very important. The more I read the more concerned I become. For instance, the latest AMD mobo I've been offered is ASUS A8N-VM CSM. I tried to look through 2.6 kernel configuration options and also read some reviews, especially Linux-related ones. Here is a typical (and recent) one: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/77909774/m/924000436 731/p/1 - I certainly don't want any of the hassle and instabilities and cooling problems listed there. Rather than reading more reviews of different mobos and getting more and more worried, I would love to hear about experiences and suggestions. * Have you got a mobo that worked out of the box and without a major driver hassle? * Have you got a mobo that you would advise staying away from? * Will I be better off with Intel-based systems given my requirements? CPU performance is not really critical for me, 64-bit Intel systems seem to sell cheaper than low-end Athlon64's, possibly at the expense of some performance, the mobos I've been offered have Intel GPUs and Realtek NICs that seem to be better supported - is this impression an illusion? Any relevant advice will be appreciated. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.7.1 (KDE 3.2.3) on LINUX Mandrake 10.1 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OSDC Fees were reduced
Hi, let me announce that in order to reduce entrance fees we have eliminated some of our direct expenses. Thus the early-bird fees are now 450 NIS companies (also includes lunch) 190 NIS individual 140 NIS individual HaMakor member While the early-bird dead-line was also extended by one week to the 22nd of January I'd like to urge everyone to pay ASAP in order to ease the administration. Gabor http://www.osdc.org.il/ To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
USB Headphones and Microphone
Can anyone explain how USB headphones and microphones are implemented in Linux? I assume that the USB headphone and microphone would be a separate device but does that mean that a regular jack device plugged into the sound card can be used at the same time as the USB ones? For example could a person listen to some music on speakers with a regular jack and have an audio chat ala-Skype or IP phone with a USB headset? Does the USB device use the sound card or does it have some software sound card emulator? Is there any advantage to having a USB audio device? Dazed and confused, Chaim = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Headphones and Microphone
On Monday, 26 December 2005 15:22, Chaim Keren Tzion wrote: Can anyone explain how USB headphones and microphones are implemented in Linux? On my laptop they appear as a second sound device (/dev/dsp1). Chaim -- - Aviram = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD mobo suggestions
Shlomo Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've had a Gigabyte K8NS Ultra-939 (with a 3200 64bit CPU) for over a year and the only problem I've had was that when I set the BIOS to use Dual Channel DDR400 memory, the system seemed a bit unstable - but that may be a memory (hardware) problem - I never bothered to check. After disabling the Dual Channel feature everything runs out of the box. Thanks, Shlomo, it's helpful indeed. This Motherboard has lots of extra features that you may not need (in fact I guess I don't either) like dual Raid, 2 on-board LAN chips (10/100 10/100/1000) NVidia Gbit? Are you using the forcedeth driver? Does it work without a problem? I have just given the code (the comments, actually :) in 2.6.12 a quick look and it seems that some problems are not excluded. This is also mentioned in some of the reviews of nVidia-based boards I've seen so far. Can anyone say anything about the Abit KN8 Ultra-9 mobo? It has nForce4 Ultra chipset, nVidia's LAN chip, and GeForce 6600 PCI-E graphics card. It looks like the latter will not be a problem driver-wise. The LAN chip still has me concerned a bit. I have googled around but there does not seem to be a lot of useful info. In any case, go for a 939 pin board (not 754) since this will allow future upgrapes of the CPU. Definitely ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Headphones and Microphone
Hi Chaim, On 12/26/05, Chaim Keren Tzion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone explain how USB headphones and microphones are implemented in Linux? If you're using ALSA sound modules, then it should appear to you as: alsa_usb_audio module (it does load other modules which required). I assume that the USB headphone and microphone would be a separate device but does that mean that a regular jack device plugged into the sound card can be used at the same time as the USB ones? For example could a person listen to some music on speakers with a regular jack and have an audio chat ala-Skype or IP phone with a USB headset? Actually the USB headphone and the microphone are the same device (/dev/dsp1 for example (or if you want to see the ALSA way, check this out): [EMAIL PROTECTED] device]$ cat /sys/class/sound/controlC1/device/product Logitech USB Headset Does the USB device use the sound card or does it have some software sound card emulator? It has it's own simple DSP chip which acts as a simple sound card. You can hear music, record through microphone, raise and lower the volume and mute. Is there any advantage to having a USB audio device? Advantage: * You can use a USB Headset audio device with almost any OS - Linux with kernel 2.4.x, 2.6.x, BSD, Solaris (9 and above), Windows (98, 2K, XP) and it should work out of the box without requesting drivers (all the mentioned OS's have the USB audio driver built in), so you can take them with you anywhere, stick them to a machine and use them without additional drivers and fiddling. Disadvantage: * No Bass or Treble adjustment, no hardware mixing (you can use ARTS or ESD in KDE or GNOME) for multiple sound playback applications (e.g. sound notifications while using MP3 player). Hope this helps, Hetz To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD mobo suggestions
On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 17:16 +, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: After disabling the Dual Channel feature everything runs out of the box. On EPoX 8KDA3J, two DIMMs don't work reliably when placed into slot #2 + #3 (but work great in slot #0 + #1). That's a problem known to EPoX. Don't know if it has any relevance to this Dual Channel issue. This Motherboard has lots of extra features that you may not need (in fact I guess I don't either) like dual Raid, 2 on-board LAN chips (10/100 10/100/1000) NVidia Gbit? Are you using the forcedeth driver? I used forcedeth on two NVidia NForce3-based boards (Gigabyte K8NS and EPOX 8KDA3J) flawlessly. The only issue I've got with it - is that it doesn't allow configuring a custom MAC address (ifconfig eth0 hwaddr ...) but I think that's fixed in the latest kernels. In short, my NForce3 boards require the following drivers to operate: - sata_nv (SATA Controller) - forcedeth (Ethernet Controller) - snd_intel8x0 (Sound) All came with stock kernel (and were supported out-of-the-box on Fedora Core 3 and higher). and even a Dual BIOS. You won't be saying that when you'll be holding a board with a failed BIOS upgrade... In any case, go for a 939 pin board (not 754) since this will allow future upgrapes of the CPU. Definitely ;-) I'm not much of a believer in CPU upgrades. Keep in mind the board costs much less than a new CPU, and once its time to upgrade the CPU, you might want some more components up to shape (e.g. RAM with some new technology) and the board is the carrier of all those... If anything, the benefit of a 939 board is a PCI Express slot (instead of AGP), in case you want a decent graphics card. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD mobo suggestions
Ilya Konstantinov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In any case, go for a 939 pin board (not 754) since this will allow future upgrapes of the CPU. Definitely ;-) I'm not much of a believer in CPU upgrades. Oh, I didn't mean I was planning a future CPU upgrade. I meant I was looking at 939 boards and not on 754 boards. Thanks for the info, Ilya. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
