Re: asterisk questions

2006-03-05 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 09:16:10AM +0200, Erez D wrote:
 hi
 
 i have asterisk and few handytone adapters installed.
 
 i was wondering:
 
 1. is there a way to let the user know he has messages, without
 dialing to voicemail (and not via email)

a. a mail message can trigger just about anything on the remote side

b. You can use an external notify command, see voicemail.conf.

 2. is there a way to make voceMailMain automatically select a mailbox
 and not ask for a password ( i.e. i do not have to enter enything to
 listen to my voicemail)

RTFM, please:

in the CLI run:

  show application voicemailmain

(it has tab completion for app names)

It prints:

  -= Info about application 'VoiceMailMain' =- 

[Synopsis]:
Enter voicemail system

[Description]:
  VoiceMailMain([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Enters the main voicemail system
for the checking of voicemail.  The mailbox can be passed as the option,
which will stop the voicemail system from prompting the user for the mailbox.
If the mailbox is preceded by 's' then the password check will be skipped.  If
the mailbox is preceded by 'p' then the supplied mailbox is prepended to the
user's entry and the resulting string is used as the mailbox number.  This is
useful for virtual hosting of voicemail boxes.  If a context is specified,
logins are considered in that voicemail context only.
Returns -1 if the user hangs up or 0 otherwise.

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Re: asterisk questions

2006-03-05 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

a. a mail message can trigger just about anything on the remote side
  

Does asterisk support the voicemail notification light that exists on
many phones?

   Shachar

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Re: asterisk questions

2006-03-05 Thread Erez D
On 3/5/06, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 09:16:10AM +0200, Erez D wrote:
  hi
 
  i have asterisk and few handytone adapters installed.
 
  i was wondering:
 
  1. is there a way to let the user know he has messages, without
  dialing to voicemail (and not via email)

 a. a mail message can trigger just about anything on the remote side

 b. You can use an external notify command, see voicemail.conf.

the client does not have a computer (so no email), only an ATA (HT-496
or HT-386) and an analog phone.

  2. is there a way to make voceMailMain automatically select a mailbox
  and not ask for a password ( i.e. i do not have to enter enything to
  listen to my voicemail)

 RTFM, please:

 in the CLI run:

   show application voicemailmain


thanks,
i didnt know i can do that


erez.


 (it has tab completion for app names)

 It prints:

   -= Info about application 'VoiceMailMain' =-

 [Synopsis]:
 Enter voicemail system

 [Description]:
   VoiceMailMain([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Enters the main voicemail system
 for the checking of voicemail.  The mailbox can be passed as the option,
 which will stop the voicemail system from prompting the user for the mailbox.
 If the mailbox is preceded by 's' then the password check will be skipped  If
 the mailbox is preceded by 'p' then the supplied mailbox is prepended to the
 user's entry and the resulting string is used as the mailbox number.  This is
 useful for virtual hosting of voicemail boxes.  If a context is specified,
 logins are considered in that voicemail context only.
 Returns -1 if the user hangs up or 0 otherwise.

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Re: asterisk questions

2006-03-05 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef

Shachar Shemesh wrote:

Tzafrir Cohen wrote:



a. a mail message can trigger just about anything on the remote side




Does asterisk support the voicemail notification light that exists on
many phones?

   Shachar



On many phones - yes, but not on all of them. Almost all SIP phones 
work, whereas analog phone depend on the exact method of notifying the 
phone.


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Telux: Grid Computing on 12 February

2006-03-05 Thread Shlomi Fish
The Tel Aviv Linux Club (Telux - http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/ )
will gather again to hear the presentation of Herouth Maoz about 
GIMP 2.2. GIMP is a powerful image manipulation program for UNIXes, Windows  
and Mac OS X. 

The presentation will take place on Sunday, 12 March 2006, at 18:30, in room 
008 of the Schreiber building in Tel Aviv University. More details can be 
found on the site.

Attendance is free of charge, and everyone are welcome.

Hope to see you all there!

Upcoming presentations:

26/3 - Linux Kernel Tuning and Customization - Vitaly Karasik
9/4 - Embedded Linux Bring-Up - A Short War Story - Ori Idan

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Re: Kernel compilation oddities

2006-03-05 Thread Aviram Jenik
On Sunday 05 March 2006 00:12, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
  every 
  time I compile the kernel it takes amazingly long, and goes through a
  full compilation. Even running 'make' twice in a row makes it compile
  everything again. 

 make version? assuming it's 3.81rc1, it's a known make bug - see
 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernelm=114150857516839w=2

Yup. 
# dpkg -l | grep make
ii  make  3.80+3.81.rc1-1  The GNU version 
of the make utility.

I guess I'll have to downgrade (until kbuild changes).


 Cheers,
 Muli

Thanks :-)

- Aviram

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Re: Telux: Grid Computing on 12 February

2006-03-05 Thread Leonid Podolny
Shlomi Fish wrote:
 The Tel Aviv Linux Club (Telux - http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/ )
 will gather again to hear the presentation of Herouth Maoz about 
 GIMP 2.2. GIMP is a powerful image manipulation program for UNIXes, Windows 
  
 and Mac OS X. 
 
 The presentation will take place on Sunday, 12 March 2006, at 18:30, in room 
 008 of the Schreiber building in Tel Aviv University. More details can be 
 found on the site.
 
 Attendance is free of charge, and everyone are welcome.
 
 Hope to see you all there!
 
 Upcoming presentations:
 
 26/3 - Linux Kernel Tuning and Customization - Vitaly Karasik
 9/4 - Embedded Linux Bring-Up - A Short War Story - Ori Idan



Shlomi, please, if you can't refrain from using this list as your
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Re: Telux: GIMP 2.2 on 12 March 2006

2006-03-05 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sunday 05 March 2006 11:53, Leonid Podolny wrote:
 Shlomi Fish wrote:
  The Tel Aviv Linux Club (Telux - http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/ )
  will gather again to hear the presentation of Herouth Maoz about
  GIMP 2.2. GIMP is a powerful image manipulation program for UNIXes,
  Windows and Mac OS X.
 
  The presentation will take place on Sunday, 12 March 2006, at 18:30, in
  room 008 of the Schreiber building in Tel Aviv University. More details
  can be found on the site.
 
  Attendance is free of charge, and everyone are welcome.
 
  Hope to see you all there!
 
  Upcoming presentations:
 
  26/3 - Linux Kernel Tuning and Customization - Vitaly Karasik
  9/4 - Embedded Linux Bring-Up - A Short War Story - Ori Idan

 Shlomi, please, if you can't refrain from using this list as your
 personal announcement list, 

I'm not using this list my personal announcement list. I'm using it to do 
announcements for upcoming events in the Tel Aviv Linux club. Upcoming 
Linux-related activities are on-topic here (as anything Linux related is). 
What's your beef?

 at least try to keep subjects and messages 
 bodies relevant.

Both the subject and the message body were relevant. What isn't is the fact 
that they were not synchronised. The subject belonged to a previous message, 
which I used as a template for this message.

Regards,

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Re: Initrd woes after upgrade from vanilla Debian Testing

2006-03-05 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef

Shachar Shemesh wrote:


IIRC, they are using a new mechanism to generate an initrd replacement
(this is NOT an initrd in the usual sense of the word, but something
understood by the kernel directly). Sadly, I don't know the precise
details of the change. Perchance one of the kernel devs on this list can
elaborate further?



This is just a guess, but I believe they are switching from initrd to 
initramfs. It's a CPIO archive (read: tar file) that is included as part 
of the kernel at compile time that Linux 2.6 kernels will extract into a 
internal tmpfs file system and will attempt to run init from first.


If this succeeds, this will be the boot proccess (that will usually do 
initrd style things and switch_root() to the real root file system after 
done). Otherwise a backwoards compatible boot occurs.


This approach will allow in the future to throw out all the code in the 
kernel that has anything to do with finding the root file system, 
mounting NFS as root fs, kernel DHCP and IP setting (aka 
autoconfiguration) and replacing them will early user space - user 
space code compiled and linked against a mini-libc like library called 
klibc.


This has been 60 seconds about the new initramfs :-)

Cheers
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Re: Initrd woes after upgrade from vanilla Debian Testing

2006-03-05 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:

 This approach will allow in the future to throw out all the code in
 the kernel that has anything to do with finding the root file system,
 mounting NFS as root fs, kernel DHCP and IP setting (aka
 autoconfiguration) and replacing them will early user space - user
 space code compiled and linked against a mini-libc like library called
 klibc.

That much I have heard before. What I totally fail to understand is why
this is any different than initrd. Reasons I don't see any difference:
- The kernel did not have to find initrd either - it was loaded by the
boot loader
- Initrd contained the code to do all the above too. If there ever was
any such code inside the kernel (and I know that at least DHCP was
there), initrd could have made it redundant anyways.
- Iniramfs will save us the need to compile cramfs into the kernel
statically, but instead will require us to compile cpio and tmpfs
statically.
- The initramfs would still need to be generated after the kernel is
compiled, or else we go back to requiring an initrd IN ADDITION to the
initramfs, to store all the modules relevant for mounting root.

In short, I don't understand why a new technology was necessary.

  Shachar

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any lecture on shell scripting soon?

2006-03-05 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone plan to lecture soon in Tel Aviv area about
shell scripting.

The reason I'm asking is because I would like to video record this
lecture and publish it on the web (either as a ZIP file or through
streaming). Many people want to learn shell scripting and I think this
could help them.

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Re: Initrd woes after upgrade from vanilla Debian Testing

2006-03-05 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 05:01:24PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:

 In short, I don't understand why a new technology was necessary.

http://lwn.net/Articles/14776/
http://lwn.net/Articles/14448/

It provides an early userspace environment to do a bunch of things in
that used to be done in the kernel - including the initrd handling
itself (except for the early, arch-specific stuff). initrd provided an
extremely limited userspace environment (e.g., no C library,
everyting statically linked), but this provides the real thing,
including a minimal C library implementation (klibc).

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Re: any lecture on shell scripting soon?

2006-03-05 Thread Orna Agmon
On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:

 Hi,

 I was wondering if anyone plan to lecture soon in Tel Aviv area about
 shell scripting.

 The reason I'm asking is because I would like to video record this
 lecture and publish it on the web (either as a ZIP file or through
 streaming). Many people want to learn shell scripting and I think this
 could help them.

 Thanks,
 Hetz

You can start with a general concept lecture:
shell (Orna Agmon): http://haifux.org/lectures/92-sil/

To be followed by a shell scripting lecture:
Quick and Dirty Bash (Eli Billauer): http://haifux.org/lectures/100-sil/

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Re: any lecture on shell scripting soon?

2006-03-05 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sunday 05 March 2006 18:37, Orna Agmon wrote:
 On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I was wondering if anyone plan to lecture soon in Tel Aviv area about
  shell scripting.
 
  The reason I'm asking is because I would like to video record this
  lecture and publish it on the web (either as a ZIP file or through
  streaming). Many people want to learn shell scripting and I think this
  could help them.
 
  Thanks,
  Hetz

 You can start with a general concept lecture:
 shell (Orna Agmon): http://haifux.org/lectures/92-sil/

 To be followed by a shell scripting lecture:
 Quick and Dirty Bash (Eli Billauer): http://haifux.org/lectures/100-sil/


There's also Shachar Shemesh' presentation about Bourne Shell Programming:

http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/lin-club_files/bash.sxi

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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[HAIFUX LECTURE] Anonymity and Privacy by Orr Dunkelman

2006-03-05 Thread Orna Agmon
This Monday, at 18:30, Haifa Linux Club will once again gather to hear
Orr Dunkelman talk about

Anonymity and Privacy

The lecture would cover some threats to anonymity and privacy in the
on-line world, as well as few countermeasures.

Slides are available from: http://haifux.org/lectures/141-sil/
(and were ready before the lecture!)

We meet in Taub building, room 3. For instructions see:
http://haifux.org/where.html

Attendance is free, and you are all invited!

Future lectures include:

142 nothing like the SANGuy Keren   13/3/2006
143 udevParmahansa Polo 27/03/2006
144 Linux on Laptops II Alon Altman 10/04/2006

We are always looking for new lecturers and topics, and are scheduling the
2006 season. Got somthing interesting you wish to talk about? Got
something new you want to learn, and need the drive of a lecture to make
you learn it? Talk to us.

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Re: Initrd woes after upgrade from vanilla Debian Testing

2006-03-05 Thread Omer Zak
Thanks also to Gilboa Davara, Gilad Ben-Yossef and Muli Ben-Yehuda for
responding to this.

Now, I need the techl's:

1. What (if any) should I write in the grub.conf file in my laptop to
properly boot from /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686?

2. Is there any other configuration, which I need to carry out?

Notes:
1. I still have /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686
2. I do not have any /boot/initramfs* files
3. The package initramfs-tools is installed (version 0.53).
4. My laptop's installation is vanilla Debian Etch (Testing).

When googling for 'initramfs grub', I saw a Wiki page which mentioned
mkinitramfs, and I saw also that there is update-initramfs, but I do not
understand why the Debian package installation scripts of the kernel
packages did not take care of this in my behalf.

  Thanks,
   --- Omer

On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 15:42 +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
 Omer Zak wrote:
 
 Does anyone know what happened and how to repair the initrd.img?
 The current version of initrd-tools is 0.1.84.  Should I try to
 downgrade it to a previous version?
   
 
 Quite frankly, I'm no longer using Sid/Testing as a primary platform, so
 I'm not entirely up to speed on the precise details. Generally, however,
 the kernel packge switched to a new initrd method. You will also notice
 that the package name changed from kernel-image-2.6 to
 linux-image-2.6 This is part of the same change.
 
 IIRC, they are using a new mechanism to generate an initrd replacement
 (this is NOT an initrd in the usual sense of the word, but something
 understood by the kernel directly). Sadly, I don't know the precise
 details of the change. Perchance one of the kernel devs on this list can
 elaborate further?
 
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Re: any lecture on shell scripting soon?

2006-03-05 Thread Lior Kaplan
See #9 at http://www.cs.biu.ac.il/biux/future.html

On Sun, March 5, 2006 5:39 pm, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
 Hi,

 I was wondering if anyone plan to lecture soon in Tel Aviv area about
 shell scripting.

 The reason I'm asking is because I would like to video record this
 lecture and publish it on the web (either as a ZIP file or through
 streaming). Many people want to learn shell scripting and I think this
 could help them.

 Thanks,
 Hetz

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IE-tab for Linux?

2006-03-05 Thread Amos Shapira
Hi,This is more of a curiosity but I think it would be Really Cool(TM) -(and the idea keeps jumping up whenever I hear news about Wine)what is the forum's collective though on the feasibility of havingIE-tab (
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=1419)for Linux using Wine and IE?Can Wine use a window which is actually a Firefox tab or is it totally
out of the question?Cheers,--Amos-- I was being prosecuted for my beliefs I believed people wouldn'tnotice I'd sold them camels with plaster teeth until I was well out of
town.- Terry Pratchett, Pyramids


Re: OOo - strange font replacement behaviour

2006-03-05 Thread Amos Shapira
On 3/4/06, Shlomo Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But the question is - why is this not necessary on my wife's box? In fact, on
 her box, the option to use the replacement table isn't even checked.

Have you tried to uncheck the replacement table checkbox on your box?

Otherwise - dig around on the OOo issues database and the forums. They are
very active and I think I found there a reference to that problem long time ago
(can't remember what it was, I think it has something to do with OOo 2 having
its own copy of the fonts under the user's home directory).

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Re: Initrd woes after upgrade from vanilla Debian Testing

2006-03-05 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef

Shachar Shemesh wrote:

Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:



This approach will allow in the future to throw out all the code in
the kernel that has anything to do with finding the root file system,
mounting NFS as root fs, kernel DHCP and IP setting (aka
autoconfiguration) and replacing them will early user space - user
space code compiled and linked against a mini-libc like library called
klibc.



That much I have heard before. What I totally fail to understand is why
this is any different than initrd. Reasons I don't see any difference:
- The kernel did not have to find initrd either - it was loaded by the
boot loader


Which means you need boot loader to support initrd loading. Hell, it 
even means you need a boot loader - both of which are not obvious in 
embedded systems, for example.


Another similar scenario is when using the newly (for some definition of 
newly) feature of kexec - with initrd you need to worry about 
allocating, copying and passing the right address to the initrd in case 
of a kexec() call, which is possible but a little messy. With initramfs 
you don't need to think about it even.



- Initrd contained the code to do all the above too. If there ever was
any such code inside the kernel (and I know that at least DHCP was
there), initrd could have made it redundant anyways.


Tht is true - but because initrd was sometime limiting, it was more 
difficult to demand all the users to use it instead of the kernel, so 
kernel support for these things stayed in there.



- Iniramfs will save us the need to compile cramfs into the kernel
statically, but instead will require us to compile cpio and tmpfs
statically.


tmpfs is always compiled into the kernel if you want shared memory to 
work on your kernel and most of us do. In addition, the initrd data 
would actually cause two copies of the data in it to be present in 
memory for items in it that are in use - one in the initrd blocks 
themselves, one in the page cache for actual use. With initramfs the 
entire data sits in the page cache anyway, so it's more conservative of 
memory.



- The initramfs would still need to be generated after the kernel is
compiled, or else we go back to requiring an initrd IN ADDITION to the
initramfs, to store all the modules relevant for mounting root.


Yeah, I know. That one bugs me two. I think we need a update initramfs 
make target for Kbuild. Should be fairly simple to do.



In short, I don't understand why a new technology was necessary.


Hope I've shed light on some of the reasons.
I wonder if enough people are interested in a talk about early user space.

Gilad

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Re: Initrd woes after upgrade from vanilla Debian Testing

2006-03-05 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 08:47:32AM +0200, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:

 I wonder if enough people are interested in a talk about early user
 space.

+1 from me. I'm always interested in kernel talks.

Cheers,
Muli
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Beowulf Cluster

2006-03-05 Thread Baruch Shpirer



Hi,

Anyone had real experience in this issue ? constructing a 
cluster of over 8 computers and such ?
Performance monitoring
diskless operation
management

Thanks

Baruch