RE: to dump or not to dump
Hi Aaron, /. recently posted a thread on Gentoo that you may find interesting: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/19/197258 FWIW, I've Gentoo running on a production server, and am pretty happy with it. enjoy, Rony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Mehl Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:43 PM To: linux-il@linux.org.il Subject: to dump or not to dump Hi all, for over a week I had no internet. I just couldn't connect. I am using ubuntu dapper and after trying out zeta my journal got messed up as did many things. now it seems internet is back. I install Gentoo and couldn't get a thing to work without internet. now the question. I read the Gentoo manual but couldn't find a place that clearly showed me how to install pptp/pppd from the live cd or stage 3. without internet connection Gentoo seems quite useless. And even though it lies on what was an empty partition I wonder if it will be worth the effort to keep it. I guess if I could get pppd and pptp set up I might consider. What mileage/worth has anyone found with Gentoo? Should I sweat it out or abandon ship? Thanks, Aaron = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Which bank support Firefox ?
Shana Tova Which bank Web interface support FireFox ? or even better follow W3C. Shana Tova again :) -- -- Michael Ben-Nes - Internet Consultant and Director. http://www.epoch.co.il - weaving the Net. Cellular: 054-4848113 -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which bank support Firefox ?
Quoting Michael Ben-Nes, from the post of Thu, 21 Sep: Which bank Web interface support FireFox ? or even better follow W3C. Any American bank you pick at random, and probably European banks as well. Oh, you mean in Israel? uhhh, Poalim is semi-usable, if you don't mind mirror hebrew in some of the labels... -- Twice the man I used to be Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Legato backup for Etch 64
I have a server running Etch pure64. for the uninitiated this means a 64bit system (on a dual Xeon in this case) with no 32bit libraries. Internet Zahav offers backup services but only via Legato, and Legato offers only a 32bit client. The official solution from Debian is to build a 32bit library chroot but that defeats the purpose of backing up the server. Now other than making a daily tarball and pushing it to a legato-supported server, do any of you have a solution I can implement? -- Japanese god of fertility Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which bank support Firefox ?
On Thursday 21 September 2006 11:40, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Michael Ben-Nes, from the post of Thu, 21 Sep: Which bank Web interface support FireFox ? uhhh, Poalim is semi-usable, Unless you're a business user (in which case it requires an extremely unsafe ActiveX for its USB Token). - Aviram = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Legato backup for Etch 64
Ira Abramov wrote: I have a server running Etch pure64. for the uninitiated this means a 64bit system (on a dual Xeon in this case) with no 32bit libraries. Internet Zahav offers backup services but only via Legato, and Legato offers only a 32bit client. The official solution from Debian is to build a 32bit library chroot but that defeats the purpose of backing up the server. Now other than making a daily tarball and pushing it to a legato-supported server, do any of you have a solution I can implement? Several possible solutions: 1. Put up a chroot 32 bit environment, but add its /lib and /usr/lib to the /etc/ld.conf for the 64 bit system. This should allow you to run 32 bit programs anywhere. You will only need to chroot in order to run apt-get upgrade. 2. Put up a chroot 32 bit environment as before, and use mount --bind in order to bring the directories needing backup inside the chroot. 3. Ask yourself whether legato is worth it. From my experience, the restore procedure is horrible, and the ISP insists on keeping control over what gets backed up. Both those considerations seem out of what I want on my servers. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Legato backup for Etch 64
On 21/09/06, Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with no 32bit libraries. What forces you to this restriction? Wouldn't you need such libraries under the chroot environment anyway? I suppose you are aware of the ia32-* packages available under Etch. The official solution from Debian is to build a 32bit library chroot but that defeats the purpose of backing up the server. Wouldn't careful crafting of various loader envariables and config files allow the client to find the right libraries even when not running under chroot? Now other than making a daily tarball and pushing it to a legato-supported server, do any of you have a solution I can implement? tar into a file under the chroot'ed hierarchy? Just because the chroot'ed processes can't access directories outside their own root doesn't mean that the opposite is true. Also, depending on what you want to backup, maybe you can build the chroot environment at the top of the directory tree which contains everything you want to backup so you can access all of it from the chroot environment. Japanese god of fertility Hm. --Amos There is but one god, and Murphy is his prophet. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which bank support Firefox ?
On 21/09/06, Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Michael Ben-Nes, from the post of Thu, 21 Sep: Which bank Web interface support FireFox ? or even better follow W3C. Any American bank you pick at random, and probably European banks as well. Oh, you mean in Israel? uhhh, Poalim is semi-usable, if you don't mind mirror hebrew in some of the labels... Isn't this already in the FAQ? I'd reckon it's the most frequent question on this list don't you think? The First International Bank (fibi.co.il) works perfectly with Firefox for years now (I think since around 2000). --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
off topic : job offers in linux-il mailing list
Hello, I am subscribed to linux-il for a long time; I wonder why some job offers reach my mailbox and some not. I noticed it by accident when looking at the archives of linux-il: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/ For example, the following DID reach my mailbox: # [Off-Topic/Yaljo] Job Offers for trusteer Ltd - Server Group team leader and Senior security Developer. gil . bahat while the following 2 messages DID NOT: (from 12.9.06) # [job offer] Shunra - Seasoned Linux developer Ophir Munk # [job offer] Shunra - Student Position RT Team Ophir Munk Is there another mailing list for jobs of linux-il which is archived in the linux-il web site ? Regards, RG = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Meetings in Haifa
it looks like haifux is down due to vipe being off the network. we're trying to fix this, one way or another. will let you know when things are working again, and we can schedule meetings again. --guy On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 12:03 +0200, Ben Hornedo wrote: I haven't seen any mention of Haifux gatherings lately. Does anyone know if there will be any get togethers I the Haifa area anytime soon? Thanks, Ben = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Legato backup for Etch 64
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 11:45:06AM +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: I have a server running Etch pure64. for the uninitiated this means a 64bit system (on a dual Xeon in this case) with no 32bit libraries. Internet Zahav offers backup services but only via Legato, and Legato offers only a 32bit client. The official solution from Debian is to build a 32bit library chroot but that defeats the purpose of backing up the server. Now other than making a daily tarball and pushing it to a legato-supported server, do any of you have a solution I can implement? You can try and use statifier. I never tried this myself. You can also create a chroot and mount --bind / under it. I think it should work well. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Xen question - multiple archs?
Can Xen run both x86-64 and x86 (ia32) domU OSs at the same time? (on x86-64 hardware, of course. no hardware VT) I've looked in Google, but apparently I don't know how to ask the question properly :-( -- Oded ::.. Captain Penny's Law: You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool mom. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which bank support Firefox ?
--0-1093801415-1158848917=:10706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've been using Firefox with Hapoalim with no problems for about three years. However, I am not a business customer. Are there security risks with the system for private customers? Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21/09/06, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Michael Ben-Nes, from the post of Thu, 21 Sep: Which bank Web interface support FireFox ? or even better follow W3C. Any American bank you pick at random, and probably European banks as well. Oh, you mean in Israel? uhhh, Poalim is semi-usable, if you don't mind mirror hebrew in some of the labels... Isn't this already in the FAQ? I'd reckon it's the most frequent question on this list don't you think? The First International Bank (fibi.co.il) works perfectly with Firefox for years now (I think since around 2000). --Amos J. Michael Jaffe, Ph.D. EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PHONE: +972 4 6398160 FAX (ISRAEL): +972 153 4 6398160 FAX (US): 1-419-781-4486 - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1093801415-1158848917=:10706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've been using Firefox with Hapoalim with no problems for about three years.nbsp; However, I am not a business customer.nbsp; Are there security risks with the system for private customers?brbrbiAmos Shapira lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/i/b wrote:blockquote class=replbq style=border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; On 21/09/06, Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:brgt; Quoting Michael Ben-Nes, from the post of Thu, 21 Sep:brgt; gt; Which bank Web interface support FireFox ?brgt; gt; or even better follow W3C.brgt;brgt; Any American bank you pick at random, and probably European banks asbrgt; well.brgt;brgt; Oh, you mean in Israel?brgt;brgt; uhhh, Poalim is semi-usable, if you don't mind mirror hebrew in some ofbrgt; the labels...brbrIsn't this already in the FAQ? I'd reckon it's the most frequentbrquestion on this list don't you think?brbrThe First International Bank (fibi.co.il) works perfectly with Firefoxbrfor years now (I think since around 2000).brbr--Amosbr/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/blockquotebrBRBRbrJ. Michael Jaffe, Ph.D.brEMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]brPHONE: +972 4 6398160brFAX (ISRAEL): +972 153 4 6398160brFAX (US): 1-419-781-4486p#32; hr size=1Do you Yahoo!?br Everyone is raving about the a href=http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=42297/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta; all-new Yahoo! Mail./a --0-1093801415-1158848917=:10706-- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xen question - multiple archs?
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 01:38:17PM +, Oded Arbel wrote: Can Xen run both x86-64 and x86 (ia32) domU OSs at the same time? (on x86-64 hardware, of course. no hardware VT) I've looked in Google, but apparently I don't know how to ask the question properly :-( You'd usually get better answers for $FOO on $FOO's mailing lists or IRC channels. mulix does Xen support running i386 domains on x86-64? rharper muli: for pv, I don't think so, full-virt supports 32 on 64 rharper mulix: ^^ mulix thanks rharper mulix: I hear SuSE is working on pv 32 on 64 though Cheers, Muli = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Distribution recommendation
I am purchasing a new computer and will be setting it up from scratch. Until now I have been using RedHat releases however I have read a lot about newer distributions (i.e Ubuntu etc.) I would like to get recommendations for what would be the best distribution for my needs. This machine will be an internal server for a SOHO setup. It will provide the following services: Samba Apache PHP MySQL Backup storage NAT + firewall connecting via ADSL to actcom dosemu The load on the machine will not be heavy. There will be four or five other machines (mainly Windows) connecting to the Internet via this machine and sharing files via Samba. In the future I hope to be adding other Linux workstations to the network as well. The main criteria for me is that the system should just work and be easy to maintain. On my current server I am still running RedHat 9. After having overcome the initial setup problems with it I have been able to basically just ignore it and it keeps working. Thoughts and recommendations would be appreciated. -- David Suna [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Distribution recommendation
David Suna wrote: This machine will be an internal server for a SOHO setup. It will provide the following services: Server ? Take Debian stable. I'm afraid I won't take Ubuntu for server as they focus on bleeding edge software for desktop while using the Debian infrastructure. -- Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Guides.co.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Distribution recommendation
I don´t know about servers, but I have experience on Desktop using. I recommend Debian Etch. It is stable, simple to use and install and it has a bunch of software well actualized with many maintainers. It also has a lot of both community and private support. However, Etch is still on Beta until December and the current Debian stable, sagger, is not so actualized. I use Debian in my laptop. Ubuntu is very similar to Etch and it supposed to be simpler to use and install, also it comes in a single CD, but it shows a much poorer performance than Debian does. I use Fedora, the¨ free¨ Red Hat, at home and I do not recommend it, at least for desktop use. Short life span, few programs or not so actualized and poor performance. Julian El jue, 21-09-2006 a las 10:04 +0300, David Suna escribió: I am purchasing a new computer and will be setting it up from scratch. Until now I have been using RedHat releases however I have read a lot about newer distributions (i.e Ubuntu etc.) I would like to get recommendations for what would be the best distribution for my needs. This machine will be an internal server for a SOHO setup. It will provide the following services: Samba Apache PHP MySQL Backup storage NAT + firewall connecting via ADSL to actcom dosemu The load on the machine will not be heavy. There will be four or five other machines (mainly Windows) connecting to the Internet via this machine and sharing files via Samba. In the future I hope to be adding other Linux workstations to the network as well. The main criteria for me is that the system should just work and be easy to maintain. On my current server I am still running RedHat 9. After having overcome the initial setup problems with it I have been able to basically just ignore it and it keeps working. Thoughts and recommendations would be appreciated. -- Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xen question - multiple archs?
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 08:30:42PM +0300, Oded Arbel wrote: If I want to build some servers using Xen, which needs to run several flavors of Linux - lets say various RedHat based distros - and I have not used Xen before, nor do I want to invest too much into learning it (I have other stuff I need to do ;-) ), and performance/security isn't top issue, what OS would you recommend I use as basis (dom0, right?) ? I would appreciate it if you can recommend a free (as in beer) distribution as well as what would be my best bet if I'm going out and buying something. Ehm, I'm not about to start a distro war on this thread --- it would be much more amusing to do it in the on-going implosio^Wthread in [EMAIL PROTECTED] But since you asked - http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/DistributionSupport Cheers, Muli = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Distribution recommendation
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On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 10:04 +0300, David Suna wrote:
I am purchasing a new computer and will be setting it up from scratch.
Until now I have been using RedHat releases however I have read a lot
about newer distributions (i.e Ubuntu etc.) I would like to get
recommendations for what would be the best distribution for my needs.
This machine will be an internal server for a SOHO setup.
The main criteria for me is that the system should just work and be
easy to maintain.
Unlike some people, I would recommend going with something rather more
modern then Debian stable. The main problem with Debian stable is while
it is stable (which is great for serious production work by trained
professionals), its is rather old, has very limited configuration tools
for servers (or most anything useful actually) and what it does have is
notoriously non-newbie friendly.
So unless you are already familiar with Debian, and/or like to learn
such stuff and have the time to invest in it (a lot of time - we're not
talking Gentoo here, but to get the stuff you want going - plan on at
least a week where all your free time is invested in setting up the
beast), I would recommend to stay away from that and go with something
which is both modern and mainstream (and not Debian testing/unstable -
which fall under all the categories above {including non-modernism}
except that they're not stable).
My recommendations (in no particular order) would be SuSE (open or
otherwise) - which has great tools although a bit harder to understand
w/o reading the documentation; Fedora - which has rather limited set of
server configuration tools, but IIRC has all the stuff you required in
easy to use and understand GUI tools; and lastly, Mandriva - which has
all the tools you need, all the software you need, is very modern but
their choices of where the stuff you need is located are not always
obvious.
Ubuntu and a lot of other new and rather interesting and even well done
Linux operating system are sadly almost entirely desktop oriented, and
while it shouldn't be hard to setup server software on such (assuming
you know what you are doing), if you're not going to use them as desktop
systems - why bother ? Get something which was designed for the task you
have at hand - its not like it costs more.
--
Oded
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Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to
speak it to?
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Unlike some people, I would recommend going with something rather more modern
then Debian stable. The main problem with Debian stable is while it is stable
(which is great for serious production work by trained professionals), its is
rather old, has very limited configuration tools for servers (or most anything
useful actually) and what it does have is notoriously non-newbie friendly.BR
BR
So unless you are already familiar with Debian, and/or like to learn such stuff
and have the time to invest in it (a lot of time - we're not talking Gentoo
here, but to get the stuff you want going - plan on at least a week where all
your free time is invested in setting up the beast), I would recommend to stay
away from that and go with something which is both modern and mainstream (and
not Debian testing/unstable - which fall under all the categories above
{including non-modernism} except that they're not stable).BR
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My recommendations (in no particular order) would be SuSE (open or otherwise) -
which has great tools although a bit harder to understand w/o reading the
documentation; Fedora - which has rather limited set of server configuration
tools, but IIRC has all the stuff you required in easy to use and understand
GUI tools; and lastly, Mandriva - which has all the tools you need, all the
software you need, is very modern but their choices of where the stuff you need
is located are not always obvious.BR
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Re: Legato backup for Etch 64
On 21/09/06, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also create a chroot and mount --bind / under it. I think it should work well. The --bind solution looks ideal - but wouldn't --bind'ing / cause a loop in the filesystem? Would it work? (I don't dare to try it on my production systems). PS - there is --rbind to rebind across filesystems. Read the manual about this. --Amos -- Military justice is to justice what military music is to music = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
