Re: Hebrew spam: what to do about it?
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 09:25:51AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: Slightly off-topic: I got annoyed by political spam that was sent to my work address (at least 4 messages, with a considerable size) Result: blacklisted mailing list messages from their provider (and notified them as well). While it might be legal, I personally find this behaviour unacceptable. The spam I got was political spam as well. This is legal? The message said at the bottom that it is legal, but I doubt it. What is special about political spam that it is excepted from the law? It needs to be commercial to be illegal. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
RE: Hebrew spam: what to do about it?
Indeed it's legal. When the anti-spam law was passed, a special exemption was put in to allow politicians to send spam. IIRC, this was Leiberman's initiative. Rony -Original Message- From: linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il [mailto:linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il] On Behalf Of Dotan Cohen Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:26 AM To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: Hebrew spam: what to do about it? Shachar seems to suggest that this might be used for a small claims court case in which the spammer may be sued for up to 1000 NIS per email. I'll donate the 1000 NIS right back into anti-spam efforts or to KDE or something. Slightly off-topic: I got annoyed by political spam that was sent to my work address (at least 4 messages, with a considerable size) Result: blacklisted mailing list messages from their provider (and notified them as well). While it might be legal, I personally find this behaviour unacceptable. The spam I got was political spam as well. This is legal? The message said at the bottom that it is legal, but I doubt it. What is special about political spam that it is excepted from the law? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-??-?-? ?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-? ?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-? ?-?-?-?-?-?-? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: kgdb usage errors on strictly following kgdb authorss guide
Lev Olshvang wrote: Hello all, I am looking for explanation of the kgdb errors and usage advice. I am running Linux 2.6.15.5 system with a kgdb patches from the kgfb.linsyssoft.com. I built a kernel with ethernet driver included (not module) and KGDB remote debug enable over Ethernet. I am trying to strictly follow the guide I had downloaded from linsyssoft.com First I tried to run debug other ethernet using kgdboe parameter on boot I built a kernel with ethernet driver included (not module) and KGDB remote debug enable over Ethernet. And the gdb session was stuck because the target system did not answered to ARP requsests for 10.0.0.3 The corresponding section from gub.conf is title Linux-2.6.15.5-kgdb(eth) root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15.5-kgdb ro root=/dev/hda1 kgdb...@10.0.0.6/,@10.0.0.3/ console=ttyS0,115200 So I suppose I should manually load network driver, but how can I do it from boot line and assign IP address to it ? The answers, as very often with such simple questions, are in the kernel documentation directory: Add ip=client-ip:server-ip:gw-ip:netmask:hostname:device:autoconf to the kernel command line. See http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.28.4/Documentation/filesystems/nfsroot.txt#L80 for the details --- The second attempt I took with a serial 8250 driver I had build new kernel with Serial driver configured for remote debugging and changed boot line to : kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.13-kgdb ro root=/dev/hda1 kgdbwait kgdb8250=1,115200 *Question1 : - docs says it must be kgdb8250=ttyS1,115200, * but when I tried this , the debug session even did not come to kgdb breakpoint. I'm guessing it needs to be ttyS0 and not 1. gdbmod-2.4 ./vmlinux itle Linux-2.6.15.5-kgdb(eth) GNU gdb 6.4 Copyright 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type show copying to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type show warranty for details. This GDB was configured as i686-pc-linux-gnu...Using host libthread_db library /lib/libthread_db.so.1. (gdb) set remotebaud 115200 (gdb) target remote /dev/ttyS0 Remote debugging using /dev/ttyS0 breakpoint () at kernel/kgdb.c:1888 1888atomic_set(kgdb_setting_breakpoint, 0); (gdb) cont Continuing. [17179569.184000] Waiting for connection from remote gdb... [*17179569.184000] Invalid syntax for option kgdb8250=* [New thread 1737] Error while mapping shared library sections: ide_disk.ko: Success. Error while reading shared library symbols: ide_disk.ko: No such file or directory. Error while reading shared library symbols: ide_disk.ko: No such file or directory. [New thread 1774] Error while reading shared library symbols: ide_disk.ko: No such file or directory. Error while reading shared library symbols: ide_disk.ko: No such file or directory. [New thread 1747] Error while mapping shared library sections: generic.ko: Success. Error while reading shared library symbols: ide_disk.ko: No such file or directory. Error while reading shared library symbols: generic.ko: No such file or directory. Error while reading shared library symbols: ide_disk.ko: No such file or directory. Error while reading shared library symbols: generic.ko: No such file or directory. [New thread 1757] Error while mapping shared library sections Question 3 : Are those Succeses and Errors normal No. I think you are missing the path to where the target kernel modules are. It should something like set solib-absolute-prefix /dev/null set solib-search-path /path/to/kernel/modules Question 4: How I can command to load my module from gdb line and set a breakpoint to the function I would like to debug ? Just load your modules on the target and then break in gdb and plant the break point. you can also plant a break point before loading the module (a defered break point) if you want to break in the module init function.\ Gilad Regards to the kenel gurus. Lev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Gilad Ben-Yossef Chief Coffee Drinker Codefidence Ltd. The code is free, your time isn't.(TM) Web:http://codefidence.com Email: gi...@codefidence.com Office: +972-8-9316883 ext. 201 Fax:+972-8-9316885 Mobile: +972-52-8260388 The Doctor: Don't worry, Reinette, just a nightmare. Everyone has nightmares. Even monsters from under the bed have nightmares, don't you, monster? Reinette: What do monsters have nightmares about? The Doctor: Me! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew spam: what to do about it?
It needs to be commercial to be illegal. Really? If I have a website that I don't make money off of, like gibberish.co.il then can I send spam? I'll do it too, not in order to promote the site but in order to get the law changed. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew spam: what to do about it?
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 07:11:59AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Shachar seems to suggest that this might be used for a small claims court case in which the spammer may be sued for up to 1000 NIS per email. Does this only cover email from Israel, or can it be SPAM from Israeli companies sent from outside of Israeli? It covers any spam received in Israel, but if the company is not Israel there may be no one to sue. It follows that if the spammer is Israeli, it does not matter what language the email is in, nor how it was sent. Shachar ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
[Telux] Next Meeting: Zvi Devir about Windows Refund HOWTO on 15-Feb-2009
Hi all! The Tel Aviv Open Source Club will host a talk by Zvi Devir about Windows Refund HOWTO - how to get a refund for a copy of Microsoft Windows that ships as part of a new computer - on 15-February-2009. The meeting will take place at Tel Aviv University, at the Schreiber MathsCS building, room 008 on 18:30. So mark your calendars. For more information can be found at: * http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/ * http://wiki.osdc.org.il/index.php/Tel_Aviv_Meeting_on_15_February_2009 With any other problems, feel free to contact me: http://www.shlomifish.org/me/contact-me/ Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew spam: what to do about it?
Quoting Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com: It needs to be commercial to be illegal. Really? If I have a website that I don't make money off of, like gibberish.co.il then can I send spam? I'll do it too, not in order to promote the site but in order to get the law changed. There is no chance that the law will be changed. First, politicians are the ones who are supposed to change it - and they have a vested interest in allowing political spam. Second, disallowing non-commercial spam may be regarded as an act against freedom of speech, and such an act may not pass Bagatz. The way the current law defines spam is as a message that induces you to spend money. So spam calling for donations is also illegal. Promoting causes, such as asking for signatures for Gilad Shalit, or banning silicon from dairy products, is legal. Herouth ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew spam: what to do about it?
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 10:25:53AM +0200, ronys wrote: Indeed it's legal. When the anti-spam law was passed, a special exemption was put in to allow politicians to send spam. Not only politicians. Here's a conspiracy theory for you: We all know that ISOC is an NPO, and as such in a good position to still send spam. ISOC has been one of the main promoters of the law. This suggests that ISOC was interested to reserve itself the option to spam innocent Israely Internet users. The fact that this is completely unsupported by other facts (the declared position of ISOC, the opinions of ISOC board members as we know them, and the simple fact that ISOC has never (IIRC) resorted to sending spam before does not disprove that conspiracy theory (because it's impossible to disprove a conspiracy theory). IIRC, this was Leiberman's initiative. Before calling such names, please support your claim with facts. I'm no supprter of that MK you mentioned, however I expect my opinion to be based on solid facts. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebew in Fedora 10.
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Oron Peled o...@actcom.co.il wrote: On Saturday, 7 בFebruary 2009, Dvir Volk wrote: The Fedora KDE team is heavily testing and bug-fixing KDE-4.2 for the release. In about a week it should land in the official repositories (which means you would get it if you simply yum update your system). btw, are you sure someone with FC10 will just get kde 4.2 if they update their system? isn't this against the usual distro version policy? or is kde 4.1 so bad they're going to make an exception? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew spam: what to do about it?
The way the current law defines spam is as a message that induces you to spend money. So spam calling for donations is also illegal. Promoting causes, such as asking for signatures for Gilad Shalit, or banning silicon from dairy products, is legal. So a spam campaign abnout getting the spam law changed is valid? That's great! If you see such a campaign in the coming weeks, I invite you all to complain to me personally! I hate spam (I get over 2000 spam messages a day to my personal domain) but fire you fight with fire. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
USB gadget linux connection
Hi all, How to detect USB gadget linux connection to another host? Are there /sys or /proc files that I can see from them, if the system is connected to another host, via a USB cable? - Moshe ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Fw: Webcam driver Can someone make me .rpm auto install file?
No answer to you I saw this file on a website. Strange how Webcam in Skype worked on Mandriva 2008.1 OK and doesn't on 2009.0 I would change distros and leave Mandriva however I would need a Gnome desktop and be able to type in Hebrew. Can anyone suggest a distro that is easy to install programmes I could use. I am a newbe and need ease of installation besides dual language.Moshe --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote: From: Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il Subject: Re: Fw: Webcam driver Can someone make me .rpm auto install file? To: mbrace...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Sunday, 8 February, 2009, 1:15 PM On Sunday 08 February 2009 01:11:56 Moshe Brace using Yahoo wrote: --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Moshe Brace using Yahoo mbrace...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Moshe Brace using Yahoo mbrace...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Webcam driver Can someone make me .rpm auto install file? To: Linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Date: Sunday, 8 February, 2009, 1:10 AM http://www.linux-projects.org/downloads/FAQ.html This driver is supposed to work the Webcam in Skype. Please could someone make a .rpm auto install file for me distro mandriva 2009.0 gnome I tried building it but got some errors (see below). I think this driver is not suitable for my kernel version ( 2.6.28.3-desktop-1mnb ). Regards, Shlomi Fish DKMS make.log for sn9c1xx-1.48-1mdv2009.1 for kernel 2.6.28.3-desktop-1mnb (i586) Sun Feb 8 13:10:40 IST 2009 make: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.28.3-desktop-1mnb' CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.o /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1033: warning: ‘struct class_device’ declared inside parameter list /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1033: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what you want /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c: In function ‘sn9c102_show_reg’: /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1041: error: ‘struct video_device’ has no member named ‘class_dev’ /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1041: warning: type defaults to ‘int’ in declaration of ‘__mptr’ /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1041: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1041: error: ‘struct video_device’ has no member named ‘class_dev’ /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c: At top level: /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1057: warning: ‘struct class_device’ declared inside parameter list /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c: In function ‘sn9c102_store_reg’: /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1066: error: ‘struct video_device’ has no member named ‘class_dev’ /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1066: warning: type defaults to ‘int’ in declaration of ‘__mptr’ /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1066: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1066: error: ‘struct video_device’ has no member named ‘class_dev’ /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c: At top level: /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1090: warning: ‘struct class_device’ declared inside parameter list /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c: In function ‘sn9c102_show_val’: /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1099: error: ‘struct video_device’ has no member named ‘class_dev’ /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1099: warning: type defaults to ‘int’ in declaration of ‘__mptr’ /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1099: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1099: error: ‘struct video_device’ has no member named ‘class_dev’ /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c: At top level: /var/lib/dkms/sn9c1xx/1.48-1mdv2009.1/build/sn9c102_core.c:1122: warning: ‘struct class_device’ declared inside parameter list I am a newbe Moshe -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Star Trek: We, the Living Dead - http://xrl.us/omqz4 maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: USB gadget linux connection
try lsusb On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Moshe Gorohovsky mo...@tkos.co.il wrote: Hi all, How to detect USB gadget linux connection to another host? Are there /sys or /proc files that I can see from them, if the system is connected to another host, via a USB cable? - Moshe ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: USB gadget linux connection
Moshe Gorohovsky wrote: Hi all, How to detect USB gadget linux connection to another host? Are there /sys or /proc files that I can see from them, if the system is connected to another host, via a USB cable? - Moshe You get a hotplug event when a new USB host is connected. See: http://linux.die.net/man/8/hotplug Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef Chief Coffee Drinker Codefidence Ltd. The code is free, your time isn't.(TM) Web:http://codefidence.com Email: gi...@codefidence.com Office: +972-8-9316883 ext. 201 Fax:+972-8-9316885 Mobile: +972-52-8260388 The Doctor: Don't worry, Reinette, just a nightmare. Everyone has nightmares. Even monsters from under the bed have nightmares, don't you, monster? Reinette: What do monsters have nightmares about? The Doctor: Me! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Fw: Webcam driver Can someone make me .rpm auto install file?
On Sunday 08 February 2009 14:21:48 Moshe Brace using Yahoo wrote:
No answer to you I saw this file on a website.
I see. Searching for sn9c1xx, I see that this driver is now part of the
kernel. You can load it by typing as root:
{{{
modprobe sn9c102
}}}
No need to prepare an outdated package.
Strange how Webcam in Skype
worked on Mandriva 2008.1 OK and doesn't on 2009.0
It could be attributed to many factors, including the fact that Skype has a
bug.
I would change distros
and leave Mandriva however I would need a Gnome desktop and be able to type
in Hebrew.
I would recommend against distribution hopping. You can try installing a new
distribution under a new partition just to see if the problem goes away. As
for a GNOME desktop and typing in Hebrew - most distributions should support
that including Fedora, Ubuntu, MEPIS, and less newbie-friendly distributions
such as Gentoo, Debian or Archlinux.
In any case, I suggest you try the following:
1. Does Skype running under a new UNIX user account exhibits the same problem?
If everything is OK there, then something may be problematic in your existing
user's configuration.
2. Try asking on forums of Skype, Mandriva, Linux in general, etc. Someone may
have a solution.
3. Try reporting this problem on bug-trackers of Skype or on
http://qa.mandriva.com/ .
4. You said that Ekiga recognises the webcam fine. You can try strace'ing
Skype to see where it goes wrong as far as drivers are concerned. In any case,
I'd recommend against using Skype because it is proprietary, uses an
undocumented and encrypted (but still not secure) protocol, had many severe
security vulnerabilities discovered in it in the past, and the parent company
has gone to great lengths to obfuscate the code and disable transparency:
* http://xrl.us/befg7i
* http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/07/open-source-skype-scuppered.html
* http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/355
* http://www.google.com/search?q=securiteam%20skype
If any of your friends use Skype, I suggest you instruct them to move to a
more secure and open program.
Can anyone suggest a distro that is easy to install programmes I
could use. I am a newbe and need ease of installation besides dual
language.Moshe
It's newbie not newbe. You can try Fedora or MEPIS or whatever, but first I
suggest you try my other suggestions and don't give up on your current setup
so quickly.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to
achieve?
PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is
the last thing standing in my way! ;)
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Standards compliance in Doar Israel
I have to send a document to Doar Israel. I plan on sending it in .odt format. Is there a law in Israel, such as there is in many European countries, that states that Israeli agencies must accept standards-compliant formats such as odf? Am I being a menuval by sending in this format? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Identifying linux-il messages
On Sunday 08 February 2009 17:21:53 Moshe Gorohovsky wrote:
Hi All,
How do I identify linux-il messages?
Use the List-Id: header:
{{{
List-Id: The linux Israeli users list linux-il.cs.huji.ac.il
List-Post: mailto:linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
}}}
Some mail user agents (such as KDE's KMail) recognise such headers, and allow
you to setup a filter on the mailing list using a convenient right-click.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
In full message source, I see only one header that mentions linux-il:
CC: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
No other header mentions linux-il.
Here is a message source example:
Return-Path: gi...@codefidence.com
Received: from xenbox.codefidence.com
by tango.tkos.co.il
for mo...@tkos.co.il; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 16:55:45 +0200
Message-ID: 498ef27a.1020...@codefidence.com
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:55:54 +0200
From: Gilad Ben-Yossef gi...@codefidence.com
Organization: Codefidence Ltd.
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Moshe Gorohovsky mo...@tkos.co.il
CC: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: USB gadget linux connection
References: 498ecc8a.2030...@tkos.co.il
498ed3e2.5050...@codefidence.com 498ef111.7010...@tkos.co.il
In-Reply-To: 498ef111.7010...@tkos.co.il
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary=050501020800070306020700
X-Virus-Status: Clean
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--050501020800070306020700
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Moshe Gorohovsky wrote:
Hi Gilad,
The hotplug command does not work on the system (it is BusyBox). But the
kernel prints a message on system console, when I connect USB cable to a
host. I can use that message.
hotplug is not a command, it's a kernel sybsystem (well, there can be a
program called hotplug that serves hotplug events but can also just be a
simple shell script).
Using dmesg messages is fine if you just want to debug stuff but it's
really a very bad solution for anything production. (among other things
it's racy). Learn to use the hotplug sub system. that is what it's for.
...
- Moshe
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Re: Identifying linux-il messages
Moshe Gorohovsky wrote: Hi All, How do I identify linux-il messages? That depends on why you want to identify them. If it's because you want them to go to a different folder, then you will need to disable an option on the mailing list server. The option is called nodups. If you disable it, you will get two email messages for discussions you participate in. One from the list and one directly from the person who replied to you. Obviously, only the one from the list will have the headers. To change your mailing list setting, follow the link at the bottom of each message from the list. Shachar ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Identifying linux-il messages
Hi, Herouth Maoz wrote: That's not a message from linux-il. That's a message to which linux-il was CCed. The powers in charge of this mailing list encourage people to use Reply-to-all when answering messages to the list. As a result, you get a direct message from the person who is writing (if you are in the recipient/sender list of the original message). When the list software sees that it has been CCed to a message that was sent directly to you, it refrains from sending you its own copy, so you get only one copy (although this can be changed). Messages that were not addressed to you but come directly from the list have many additional headers. Personally, I rely on the List-Id header to filter the list. However, this strategy means that you cannot filter all messages that relate to the list. Only the ones that were not addressed to you. Discussions in which you have involved yourself will end up in your inbox. For some reason, the list owners consider this to be a GOOD thing. I consider it to be very annoying, but I have no say in the matter... Herouth Thanks mmm... I think, I found a way to put these linux-il-related messages to a separate folder: Define a filter that moves all messages with List-Id header or with CC header that contain 'linux-il' to the folder. Just thought this might be help. Note ORed headers :) - Moshe Quoting Moshe Gorohovsky mo...@tkos.co.il: Hi All, How do I identify linux-il messages? In full message source, I see only one header that mentions linux-il: CC: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il No other header mentions linux-il. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Identifying linux-il messages
Herouth Maoz wrote: I consider it to be very annoying, but I have no say in the matter... No, that's not true. The last time the matter was seriously discussed (i.e. - before this time) the matter was put to a vote, and this (the current settings) came out as the preferred solution by the list members. As such, each time the matter was raised since was somewhat considered a rehash of an old discussion. It was this, rather than any scheming done by the evil list admins (not to mention that Ely, who is the only true admin for this list, does not appear to have any strong opinion on the matter), that is the reason this discussion did not result in any actual change to the list's configuration. I happen to know that the most vocal opinion is not always also the most accepted one. Personally, I have no objection to putting the matter up for a vote again. Shachar ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Identifying linux-il messages
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 05:55:09PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: The last time the matter was seriously discussed (i.e. - before this time) the matter was put to a vote, and this (the current settings) came out as the preferred solution by the list members. How long ago was that? After all the official owner of this list, Harvey Stein, long ago (2001?) went back to New York, and has abandoned this list. I assume since then, someone else has taken over ownership, but I've never been sure whom. Personally, I have no objection to putting the matter up for a vote again. In the grand tradition of the Internet, me too. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Standards compliance in Doar Israel
No laws here.
Not even standards.
You aren't being a menuval, just being a silly.
- yba
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:44:26 +0200
From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com
To: linux-il. linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Standards compliance in Doar Israel
I have to send a document to Doar Israel. I plan on sending it in .odt
format. Is there a law in Israel, such as there is in many European
countries, that states that Israeli agencies must accept
standards-compliant formats such as odf? Am I being a menuval by
sending in this format?
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Re: Hebew in Fedora 10.
On Sun, 2009-02-08 at 13:24 +0200, Dvir Volk wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Oron Peled o...@actcom.co.il wrote: On Saturday, 7 בFebruary 2009, Dvir Volk wrote: The Fedora KDE team is heavily testing and bug-fixing KDE-4.2 for the release. In about a week it should land in the official repositories (which means you would get it if you simply yum update your system). btw, are you sure someone with FC10 will just get kde 4.2 if they update their system? Yes. KDE 4.2 has already pushed to updates-testing; I'd assume it'll land in -updates in mid-next-week. (P.S. I'm using KDE 4.2 on a number of workstation (from KDE-RedHat/testing) and it seems to be stable.) isn't this against the usual distro version policy? or is kde 4.1 so bad they're going to make an exception? Nope. Version upgrade decisions (Beyond, say, GCC, glibc and GNOME) are at the hands of the package maintainer. - Gilboa ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
[OFFTOPIC] RE: Hebrew spam: what to do about it?
From the contents of a relatively unfiltered mailbox (which fortunately is not widely advertised and I check it only once each few weeks), Leiberman indeed uses very much the political exemption. I got in that mailbox a lot of spam from: * Israel Beitanu (Leiberman's party) - sends tons of spam. No wonder he obtained the exemption, presumably already then he planned on utilizing this method of getting votes. * The party of the disabled (מפלגת הנכים) are spammers as well. * Israel Hazaka (Dr. Ephraim Sneh) are spammers as well. I already blogged about my annoyance at a party which I'd support otherwise but are now taboo because they are spammers (the party of the disabled). --- Omer On Sun, 2009-02-08 at 10:25 +0200, ronys wrote: Indeed it's legal. When the anti-spam law was passed, a special exemption was put in to allow politicians to send spam. IIRC, this was Leiberman's initiative. Rony -- Not voting in an election is like voting for the candidate, whom you hate the most. My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
OFFTOPIC: Re: Hebrew spam: what to do about it?
Similarly, due to time constraints I'm not currently performing any active steps with the several spam emails that I have received lately, all from some coaching/spiritual spammer. If there's a lawyer or someone with enough spare time on his hands in the crowd who wishes to raise the glove please reply privately. Boaz. Dotan Cohen wrote: I have started getting Hebrew spam again, even now that the new anti-spam law is in place. Sure, I _could_ just filter it, but I would prefer to make life miserable for the spammers, even at my own expense. What legal tools do I have? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebew in Fedora 10.
On Sunday, 8 בFebruary 2009, Dvir Volk wrote: btw, are you sure someone with FC10 will just get kde 4.2 if they update their system? As the links I sent you show, it is in the process (for both F10 and F9). isn't this against the usual distro version policy? or is kde 4.1 so bad they're going to make an exception? Depends on which distro. Although there are no hard and fast rules and each maintainer uses his judgment, Fedora try hard to be fast pacing distribution. I run 'yum update' daily and maybe once or twice a week there *aren't* any updates ;-) -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron The future is here, it's just not evenly distributed yet. - William Gibson ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OFFTOPIC: Re: Hebrew spam: what to do about it?
Tal Kaplan, from pczlaw, was kind enough to give me a detailed explanation(*) about this matter. First, to answer both Dotan and Boaz, it should be a relatively simple process to get 1,000 NIS for every incoming hebrew spam. Think about it as a gift from a stranger. The process is documented on the isoc site (link was given in some other post in this thread). Remember you have to prove very little (that you got the spam) while they have to prove a lot (that you gave them permission to send you spam. They need to actually PROVE it). Second, involving a lawyer will not help - you need to sue in small claims court, since the 'hashaom' court will look at you strangely if you come claiming such a small sum. Neither hashalom nor small claims court set precedence so it doesn't really matter. The cost (legal and otherwise) in small claims is much lower. So for all these reasons small claims is the way to go unless you are going to file a TVIA IZUGIT which you probably don't want to do unless you have a lot of free time. The only down side is that in small claims you have to file and appear yourself, without a lawyer. This is basically the reason I haven't done it yet. I'm saving my gifts^H^H^H^H^Hhebrew spam in a special folder for when I will have a few free hours to put it in the isoc tempate and go to small claims to file it. Spam keeps piling up in it and it gives me the feeling of a piggy bank. Oh, how things have turned. (*) This is the explanation as I remember it. If there are inaccuracies it is probably my bad memory and not Tal's fault. - Aviram On Sunday 08 February 2009 11:16:41 Boaz Rymland wrote: Similarly, due to time constraints I'm not currently performing any active steps with the several spam emails that I have received lately, all from some coaching/spiritual spammer. If there's a lawyer or someone with enough spare time on his hands in the crowd who wishes to raise the glove please reply privately. Boaz. Dotan Cohen wrote: I have started getting Hebrew spam again, even now that the new anti-spam law is in place. Sure, I _could_ just filter it, but I would prefer to make life miserable for the spammers, even at my own expense. What legal tools do I have? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
