Re: Virtualization recommendation
On Tuesday 15 September 2009, David Suna wrote: I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able to run both Linux (Ubuntu is my preferred distribution) and Windows (Vista for now, Windows 7 in the future) using virtualization. I have not gotten into virtualization until now so I wanted recommendations about how to go about doing this. From what I have read so far I have the following options: 1. Host on Windows using VMWare (either VMware Player or Workstation) %s/VMWare/VirtualBox/g 2. Host on Windows using Microsoft Virtual PC 3. Host on Linux using VMWare, Xen etc but then I have to deal with installing Windows since the laptop comes with it but does not have separate installation disks Recommendations for or against any of the above or information about other options that I left out would be appreciated. Thanks, ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Virtualization recommendation
I have a linux linux installed and have a vmware guest as windows. I managed to run wifi sound this way. what is the purpose of your laptop ? On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 08:53 +0300, David Suna wrote: I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able to run both Linux (Ubuntu is my preferred distribution) and Windows (Vista for now, Windows 7 in the future) using virtualization. I have not gotten into virtualization until now so I wanted recommendations about how to go about doing this. From what I have read so far I have the following options: 1. Host on Windows using VMWare (either VMware Player or Workstation) 2. Host on Windows using Microsoft Virtual PC 3. Host on Linux using VMWare, Xen etc but then I have to deal with installing Windows since the laptop comes with it but does not have separate installation disks Recommendations for or against any of the above or information about other options that I left out would be appreciated. Thanks, ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Virtualization recommendation
On Tuesday 15 September 2009 08:53:23 David Suna wrote: I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able to run both Linux (Ubuntu is my preferred distribution) and Windows (Vista for now, Windows 7 in the future) using virtualization. I have not gotten into virtualization until now so I wanted recommendations about how to go about doing this. From what I have read so far I have the following options: 1. Host on Windows using VMWare (either VMware Player or Workstation) 2. Host on Windows using Microsoft Virtual PC 3. Host on Linux using VMWare, Xen etc but then I have to deal with installing Windows since the laptop comes with it but does not have separate installation disks Recommendations for or against any of the above or information about other options that I left out would be appreciated. You can also use VirtualBox on either Windows or Linux (or some other systems): http://www.virtualbox.org/ VirtualBox is open-source and as opposed to Xen does not require a hypervisor to run as the base OS. I've been successfully using VBox to run various versions of Linux, and a Windows XP SP 3 VM, and also was able to run the PC- BSD installer (but the installation failed due to the lack of the second .iso). It seems very nice so far. So far, I got the best integration from the Win XP (ironically), after I installed the host extensions, and the worst from a Fedora VM, where I still have to work with a 800*600 resolution due to lack of support from it. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ What Makes Software Apps High Quality - http://shlom.in/sw-quality Chuck Norris read the entire English Wikipedia in 24 hours. Twice. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: For webmaster of linux.org.il
Hi everyone, I see its not yet fixed. Who is actually responsible for the site / domain ? Cheers, Miki -- Michael Ben-Nes - Internet Consultant and Director. http://www.epoch.co.il - weaving the Net. Cellular: 054-4848113 -- 2008/1/26 Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il Hi! On Monday 21 January 2008, Arie Skliarouk wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem mailer-dae...@googlemail.com Date: Jan 21, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) To: sklia...@gmail.com This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: webmas...@linux.org.il Technical details of permanent failure: PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 13): 554 5.7.1 webmas...@linux.org.il: Relay access denied [SNIPPED] --=_Part_8556_8266272.1200912100626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On page http://www.linux.org.il/sites/support/ when I click on linux-il mailing list link, it timeouts. I see two problems here: 1. The webmas...@linux.org.il is not forwarded to the appropriate webmaster. I don't know who it is now, and if necessary, I volunteer to take it over. I can write to the directory serving it, but the webmas...@linux.org.ilstill needs to point to somewhere valid. 2. The link on http://www.linux.org.il/sites/support/ to the Linux-IL information is broken. Either we can point this particular it to either of these locations where it is temporarily available: * http://www.shlomifish.org/Iglu/mailing-lists/ * http://www.hamakor.org.il/mailing-lists/ If I am to do this change myself, I'll need permission from someone authoritative for changing www.linux.org.il. Alternatively, the powers that be should restore the www.iglu.org.il web-service so there won't be so many broken links. I'm editing the English Linux User Groups category on dmoz.org ( http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/User_Groups/), and recently the link to http://www.iglu.org.il/ got labelled as an error. I cannot restore it until the service for that domain is up and running. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ I'm not an actor - I just play one on T.V. = To unsubscribe, send mail to linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail linux-il-requ...@cs.huji.ac.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Virtualization recommendation
If your primary OS is the Linux one, then I recommend installing it as a host and use VirtualBox ( basically because its so easy to use ) If you intend to play 3D games on win7 then note that it wont work on a vitalized OS. In my case I just created a separated portion just for win7 / games. As for the Vista, throw it away and install win7, no reason to waste future time on upgrade. Win7 work so much better then Vista as a host and as an guest. -- Michael Ben-Nes - Internet Consultant and Director. http://www.epoch.co.il - weaving the Net. Cellular: 054-4848113 -- On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:53 AM, David Suna da...@davidsconsultants.comwrote: I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able to run both Linux (Ubuntu is my preferred distribution) and Windows (Vista for now, Windows 7 in the future) using virtualization. I have not gotten into virtualization until now so I wanted recommendations about how to go about doing this. From what I have read so far I have the following options: 1. Host on Windows using VMWare (either VMware Player or Workstation) 2. Host on Windows using Microsoft Virtual PC 3. Host on Linux using VMWare, Xen etc but then I have to deal with installing Windows since the laptop comes with it but does not have separate installation disks Recommendations for or against any of the above or information about other options that I left out would be appreciated. Thanks, -- David Suna da...@davidsconsultants.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Virtualization recommendation
2009/9/15 Michael Ben-Nes mich...@epoch.co.il: If your primary OS is the Linux one, then I recommend installing it as a host and use VirtualBox ( basically because its so easy to use ) I used VirtualBox on Ubuntu 32 bit to install Windows XP, just to try to see if Skype 4 for windows will work - but then discovered that the open source version of VirtualBox which comes with Ubuntu doesn't support USB import - you need the commercial version for that. Is there something I'm missing? --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
RE: Virtualization recommendation
Hi, Here's another vote for VirtualBox. Using it in both Windows host / Linux guest, Linux(64bit) / Linux(32bit) and Linux / Windows. Integration with host is excellent. Support is also quick responsive. You might want to make sure your laptop has a healthy amount of RAM, regardless of the virtualization solution you choose. Rony -Original Message- From: linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il [mailto:linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il] On Behalf Of David Suna Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:53 AM To: linux-il Subject: Virtualization recommendation I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able to run both Linux (Ubuntu is my preferred distribution) and Windows (Vista for now, Windows 7 in the future) using virtualization. I have not gotten into virtualization until now so I wanted recommendations about how to go about doing this. From what I have read so far I have the following options: 1. Host on Windows using VMWare (either VMware Player or Workstation) 2. Host on Windows using Microsoft Virtual PC 3. Host on Linux using VMWare, Xen etc but then I have to deal with installing Windows since the laptop comes with it but does not have separate installation disks Recommendations for or against any of the above or information about other options that I left out would be appreciated. Thanks, -- David Suna da...@davidsconsultants.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Virtualization recommendation
On Tuesday 15 September 2009, David Suna wrote: I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able to run both Linux (Ubuntu is my preferred distribution) and Windows (Vista for now, Windows 7 in the future) using virtualization. I have not gotten into virtualization until now so I wanted recommendations about how to go about doing this. Does anyone have up-to-date information regarding the possibility of using the existing installed Vista partition as a a VMWare (or similiar) client under Linux ? What I mean is - leave the existing Vista installation alone, install Linux on a separate partition (creating a multi-boot configuration), configure VMWare to use the Vista partition as a client. I have done this sort of thing in the past with older versions of Windows, but haven't done it recently. I like this setup because if something doesn't work under the Windows virtual machine, you can boot into Windows and check it out there. One of the reasons I haven't used this setup recently is because I have SCSI disks, and VMWare has a problem using the Windows partition as a client when the Windows partition is on a SCSI disk. I am very interested to know if anyone has information that could help me. At the moment, if I need to run something under Windows, I have to reboot :-(. From what I have read so far I have the following options: 1. Host on Windows using VMWare (either VMware Player or Workstation) 2. Host on Windows using Microsoft Virtual PC 3. Host on Linux using VMWare, Xen etc but then I have to deal with installing Windows since the laptop comes with it but does not have separate installation disks Recommendations for or against any of the above or information about other options that I left out would be appreciated. Thanks, -- The day is short, and the work is great,| Aharon Schkolnik and the laborers are lazy, and the reward | is great, and the Master of the house is| aschkol...@gmail.com impatient. - Ethics Of The Fathers Ch. 2| 054 3344135 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation
4GB should be enough. Right? David Suna da...@davidsconsultants.com ronys wrote: Hi, Here's another vote for VirtualBox. Using it in both Windows host / Linux guest, Linux(64bit) / Linux(32bit) and Linux / Windows. Integration with host is excellent. Support is also quick responsive. You might want to make sure your laptop has a healthy amount of RAM, regardless of the virtualization solution you choose. Rony -Original Message- From: linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il [mailto:linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il] On Behalf Of David Suna Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:53 AM To: linux-il Subject: Virtualization recommendation I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able to run both Linux (Ubuntu is my preferred distribution) and Windows (Vista for now, Windows 7 in the future) using virtualization. I have not gotten into virtualization until now so I wanted recommendations about how to go about doing this. From what I have read so far I have the following options: 1. Host on Windows using VMWare (either VMware Player or Workstation) 2. Host on Windows using Microsoft Virtual PC 3. Host on Linux using VMWare, Xen etc but then I have to deal with installing Windows since the laptop comes with it but does not have separate installation disks Recommendations for or against any of the above or information about other options that I left out would be appreciated. Thanks, ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
RE: RE: Virtualization recommendation
Hi, If you're going to run no more than one or two VMs simultaneously, the 4GB should be fine. Rony -Original Message- From: David Suna [mailto:da...@davidsconsultants.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 1:27 PM To: ro...@acm.org Cc: 'linux-il' Subject: Re: RE: Virtualization recommendation 4GB should be enough. Right? David Suna da...@davidsconsultants.com ronys wrote: Hi, Here's another vote for VirtualBox. Using it in both Windows host / Linux guest, Linux(64bit) / Linux(32bit) and Linux / Windows. Integration with host is excellent. Support is also quick responsive. You might want to make sure your laptop has a healthy amount of RAM, regardless of the virtualization solution you choose. Rony -Original Message- From: linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il [mailto:linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il] On Behalf Of David Suna Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:53 AM To: linux-il Subject: Virtualization recommendation I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able to run both Linux (Ubuntu is my preferred distribution) and Windows (Vista for now, Windows 7 in the future) using virtualization. I have not gotten into virtualization until now so I wanted recommendations about how to go about doing this. From what I have read so far I have the following options: 1. Host on Windows using VMWare (either VMware Player or Workstation) 2. Host on Windows using Microsoft Virtual PC 3. Host on Linux using VMWare, Xen etc but then I have to deal with installing Windows since the laptop comes with it but does not have separate installation disks Recommendations for or against any of the above or information about other options that I left out would be appreciated. Thanks, ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation
For me it works well with: Ubuntu host + winXP 1GB guest + win7 1.5GB guest ( at the same time ). -- Michael Ben-Nes - Internet Consultant and Director. http://www.epoch.co.il - weaving the Net. Cellular: 054-4848113 -- On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:26 PM, David Suna da...@davidsconsultants.comwrote: 4GB should be enough. Right? David Suna da...@davidsconsultants.com ronys wrote: Hi, Here's another vote for VirtualBox. Using it in both Windows host / Linux guest, Linux(64bit) / Linux(32bit) and Linux / Windows. Integration with host is excellent. Support is also quick responsive. You might want to make sure your laptop has a healthy amount of RAM, regardless of the virtualization solution you choose. Rony -Original Message- From: linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il [mailto: linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il] On Behalf Of David Suna Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:53 AM To: linux-il Subject: Virtualization recommendation I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able to run both Linux (Ubuntu is my preferred distribution) and Windows (Vista for now, Windows 7 in the future) using virtualization. I have not gotten into virtualization until now so I wanted recommendations about how to go about doing this. From what I have read so far I have the following options: 1. Host on Windows using VMWare (either VMware Player or Workstation) 2. Host on Windows using Microsoft Virtual PC 3. Host on Linux using VMWare, Xen etc but then I have to deal with installing Windows since the laptop comes with it but does not have separate installation disks Recommendations for or against any of the above or information about other options that I left out would be appreciated. Thanks, ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Virtualization recommendation
you need to have the virtualbox-bin to have support for usb. On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/15 Michael Ben-Nes mich...@epoch.co.il: If your primary OS is the Linux one, then I recommend installing it as a host and use VirtualBox ( basically because its so easy to use ) I used VirtualBox on Ubuntu 32 bit to install Windows XP, just to try to see if Skype 4 for windows will work - but then discovered that the open source version of VirtualBox which comes with Ubuntu doesn't support USB import - you need the commercial version for that. Is there something I'm missing? --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation
Hi, Depends. Both Ubuntu and RedHat push KVM as the virtualization solution. IMHO it is the fastest from the three. It is also most open one. The free version of VirtualBox has no USB support but has excellent 3D support, so it is ideal for games. VMWare is ok, but I don't like it's integration with Ubuntu (have to jump hoops for the audio from virtual machine to get through). -- Arie ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation
I'm using VMPlayer with Ubuntu running windows in a virtual machine and I didn't need to do anything special to get audio running I also like it very much that you can resize on the fly the virtual client, very useful if you need to connect your server to an external beamer for presentations etc. Ohad 2009/9/15 Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com Hi, Depends. Both Ubuntu and RedHat push KVM as the virtualization solution. IMHO it is the fastest from the three. It is also most open one. The free version of VirtualBox has no USB support but has excellent 3D support, so it is ideal for games. VMWare is ok, but I don't like it's integration with Ubuntu (have to jump hoops for the audio from virtual machine to get through). -- Arie ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Virtualization recommendation
2009/9/16 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com: you need to have the virtualbox-bin to have support for usb. Where do you get it? I see only virtualbox-ose on Ubuntu 9.04, which is 2.1.4. On virtualbox.org there are later version 3.0.6 but nothing mentions virtualbox-bin. --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation
2009/9/16 Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com: Hi, Depends. Both Ubuntu and RedHat push KVM as the virtualization solution. IMHO it is the fastest from the three. It is also most open one. Yes. We use xen heavily on CentOS 5 at work and am pretty excited that RH 5.4 is out with KVM preview tech, I'm not an expert but got the impression that KVM might get things better than Xen eventually. VMWare is ok, but I don't like it's integration with Ubuntu (have to jump hoops for the audio from virtual machine to get through). I'll try VMware for windows-under-ubuntu next - when I find time. Cheers, --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Virtualization recommendation
Try here:http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads -- Michael Ben-Nes - Internet Consultant and Director. http://www.epoch.co.il - weaving the Net. Cellular: 054-4848113 -- On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/16 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com: you need to have the virtualbox-bin to have support for usb. Where do you get it? I see only virtualbox-ose on Ubuntu 9.04, which is 2.1.4. On virtualbox.org there are later version 3.0.6 but nothing mentions virtualbox-bin. --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
