What field is used as a SCREENING number when using SIP.

2011-08-18 Thread Boris shtrasman
Hi ,

with plain old SS7 we send a number and fill a field -  how we got the
calling number  (Screening indicator), but what happen with SIP ?

I noticed a few practices how this data is passed (using a hint ,
P-Asserted-Identity and  Remote-Party-ID )  but I'm searching for a common
solution rather the checking all options to what should I expect when
sending a SIP message from my SER to other networks (peering).

what would be a good solution for forwarding a blocked call ?
how should i fill the the invite on my ser so I could block / unblock call ?
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Re: What field is used as a SCREENING number when using SIP.

2011-08-18 Thread ik
2011/8/18 Boris shtrasman borissh1...@gmail.com

 Hi ,

 with plain old SS7 we send a number and fill a field -  how we got the
 calling number  (Screening indicator), but what happen with SIP ?

 I noticed a few practices how this data is passed (using a hint ,
 P-Asserted-Identity and  Remote-Party-ID )  but I'm searching for a common
 solution rather the checking all options to what should I expect when
 sending a SIP message from my SER to other networks (peering).

 what would be a good solution for forwarding a blocked call ?
 how should i fill the the invite on my ser so I could block / unblock call
 ?


As far as I know, there is no single way of doing it. I do not know the
whole RFC's of SIP, but in practice it depends on the provider gateway.



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Re: What field is used as a SCREENING number when using SIP.

2011-08-18 Thread Boris shtrasman
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 13:17, ik ido...@gmail.com wrote:

 2011/8/18 Boris shtrasman borissh1...@gmail.com

 Hi ,

 with plain old SS7 we send a number and fill a field -  how we got the
 calling number  (Screening indicator), but what happen with SIP ?

 I noticed a few practices how this data is passed (using a hint ,
 P-Asserted-Identity and  Remote-Party-ID )  but I'm searching for a common
 solution rather the checking all options to what should I expect when
 sending a SIP message from my SER to other networks (peering).

 what would be a good solution for forwarding a blocked call ?
 how should i fill the the invite on my ser so I could block / unblock call
 ?


 As far as I know, there is no single way of doing it. I do not know the
 whole RFC's of SIP, but in practice it depends on the provider gateway.



So a good practice is to use all the known options ?
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Re: What field is used as a SCREENING number when using SIP.

2011-08-18 Thread ik
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 13:33, Boris shtrasman borissh1...@gmail.comwrote:



 On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 13:17, ik ido...@gmail.com wrote:

 2011/8/18 Boris shtrasman borissh1...@gmail.com

 Hi ,

 with plain old SS7 we send a number and fill a field -  how we got the
 calling number  (Screening indicator), but what happen with SIP ?

 I noticed a few practices how this data is passed (using a hint ,
 P-Asserted-Identity and  Remote-Party-ID )  but I'm searching for a common
 solution rather the checking all options to what should I expect when
 sending a SIP message from my SER to other networks (peering).

 what would be a good solution for forwarding a blocked call ?
 how should i fill the the invite on my ser so I could block / unblock
 call ?


 As far as I know, there is no single way of doing it. I do not know the
 whole RFC's of SIP, but in practice it depends on the provider gateway.



 So a good practice is to use all the known options ?


And hope for the best. Some does not send the phone number at all.
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How do I install linux on a raid0?

2011-08-18 Thread Micha Feigin
I just got a new w520 with two 500GB hard drives configured in raid0 (seems to 
be a bios based software raid0). Windows is already installed and running on it 
(and I need it to stay there unfortunately) and I'm trying to install linux 
along side it (debian unstable).


I got the installed running and it installed fine as it seems (although it looks 
like it messed up the partition table a bit as now I also have sda1 and sda2 
that weren't there to begin with I think), but I can't get grub to install and 
rescue mode also won't boot into linux no matter what drive I choose as root. I 
did manage to mount the partition from /dev/matter/...05 and everything is 
installed on it, but again, no grub.


Any ideas on how to get linux up and running (I need to boot into it somehow).

I tried debian unstable installed from usb and debian live installed from usb, 
but neither goes past the grub step.


I also tried following some instructions I found on the net saying to add 
dmraid=true to the command line during install and then again when grub fails 
when booting into recovery but no /dev/dm and no mounting the linux partition at 
that point so I can't continue.


Any help will be appreciated.

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Re: How do I install linux on a raid0?

2011-08-18 Thread Tom Goren
Micha Hi,

From the little experience I had with this, I recall reading that these
'RAID controllers' on consumer level motherboards, aren't especially advised
for use with linux.

I don't know about Debian in this case, but here are the instructions for
Ubuntu:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto

Personally I ended up using mdadm, but I didn't have the constriction of
having to dual boot Windows as well.

Have fun,

Tom

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote:

 I just got a new w520 with two 500GB hard drives configured in raid0 (seems
 to be a bios based software raid0). Windows is already installed and running
 on it (and I need it to stay there unfortunately) and I'm trying to install
 linux along side it (debian unstable).

 I got the installed running and it installed fine as it seems (although it
 looks like it messed up the partition table a bit as now I also have sda1
 and sda2 that weren't there to begin with I think), but I can't get grub to
 install and rescue mode also won't boot into linux no matter what drive I
 choose as root. I did manage to mount the partition from /dev/matter/...05
 and everything is installed on it, but again, no grub.

 Any ideas on how to get linux up and running (I need to boot into it
 somehow).

 I tried debian unstable installed from usb and debian live installed from
 usb, but neither goes past the grub step.

 I also tried following some instructions I found on the net saying to add
 dmraid=true to the command line during install and then again when grub
 fails when booting into recovery but no /dev/dm and no mounting the linux
 partition at that point so I can't continue.

 Any help will be appreciated.

 Thanks

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Re: How do I install linux on a raid0?

2011-08-18 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote:

 I just got a new w520 with two 500GB hard drives configured in raid0 (seems
 to be a bios based software raid0).


I am a bit confused. If the RAID is BIOS-based then it sounds to me like
it is HW RAID. In this case it should be transparent to Linux, grub, even
DOS, shouldn't it?

Is it some sort of fake RAID that is not a true HW RAID? In that case you
may be out of luck or it may still work after some incantations and
contortions.


 Windows is already installed and running on it (and I need it to stay there
 unfortunately) and I'm trying to install linux along side it (debian
 unstable).


Are you trying to install Linux on the RAID itself or on another disk and
use the RAID under it? Or on the RAID itself? It sounds like the latter, but
I am not sure. Some details on your partition layout would help.



 I got the installed running and it installed fine


I am not familiar with debian installation, but what did it show as the
partition table during install? Did you modify it in any way?

What does the partition table look like now?


 as it seems (although it looks like it messed up the partition table a bit
 as now I also have sda1 and sda2 that weren't there to begin with I think),
 but I can't get grub to install


What exactly did you do and what didn't work?


 and rescue mode also won't boot into linux no matter what drive I choose as
 root. I did manage to mount the partition from /dev/matter/...05 and
 everything is installed on it, but again, no grub.

 Any ideas on how to get linux up and running (I need to boot into it
 somehow).


 My first guess is that you need to edit grub's device map as appropriate
for your setup.

However, this is a wild guess. It would help if you posted fdisk -l, mount
table, details of your grub configuration, things that you have tried and
the corresponding outputs...

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Re: How do I install linux on a raid0?

2011-08-18 Thread Micha
From what I've read up on, it seems like most non-server bioses do some 
sort of fake raid, where the raid is controlled from the bios but is 
actually a software raid (at least partially). Windows which came 
installed on the machine sees it (or reports it) as one disk (although 
it does call it oemraid). Linux seems a bit more confused. When I 
started it with dmraid=true, it sees it both as a strip drive (raid 0) 
and it seems that somewhat also as multiple disks. I have both /dev/sda 
and /dev/sdb and /dev/mapper/{really long name}.


I can partition the drives and install the system to it, but then grub 
(grub2 actually) chokes. I can't mount the system properly under 
/target, calling grub-probe directly recognizes the partition as ext2 
(although it is ext4) but calling grub-install says that grub-probe chokes.


The system has 2 500gb disks in raid0 (strip) setup. The partition setup:

#1 (primary) is windows 7 boot partition (1.17GB)
#2 (primary) Windows 7 (600GB)

free space for linux (will probably need to be logical)

#3 (primary) lenovo recovery (15.6 GB)

On 18-Aug-11 17:39, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il 
mailto:mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote:


I just got a new w520 with two 500GB hard drives configured in
raid0 (seems to be a bios based software raid0).


I am a bit confused. If the RAID is BIOS-based then it sounds to me 
like it is HW RAID. In this case it should be transparent to Linux, 
grub, even DOS, shouldn't it?


Is it some sort of fake RAID that is not a true HW RAID? In that 
case you may be out of luck or it may still work after some 
incantations and contortions.


Windows is already installed and running on it (and I need it to
stay there unfortunately) and I'm trying to install linux along
side it (debian unstable).


Are you trying to install Linux on the RAID itself or on another disk 
and use the RAID under it? Or on the RAID itself? It sounds like the 
latter, but I am not sure. Some details on your partition layout would 
help.



I got the installed running and it installed fine


I am not familiar with debian installation, but what did it show as 
the partition table during install? Did you modify it in any way?


What does the partition table look like now?

as it seems (although it looks like it messed up the partition
table a bit as now I also have sda1 and sda2 that weren't there to
begin with I think), but I can't get grub to install


What exactly did you do and what didn't work?

and rescue mode also won't boot into linux no matter what drive I
choose as root. I did manage to mount the partition from
/dev/matter/...05 and everything is installed on it, but again, no
grub.

Any ideas on how to get linux up and running (I need to boot into
it somehow).


 My first guess is that you need to edit grub's device map as 
appropriate for your setup.


However, this is a wild guess. It would help if you posted fdisk -l, 
mount table, details of your grub configuration, things that you have 
tried and the corresponding outputs...


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Re: Thunderbird mailer

2011-08-18 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 18:12, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote:
  I
 didn't assume anything, all the facts that I mention are referred to
 here (your site):
 http://www.lingnu.com/en/howto/78-si1452.html


 As for the actual criticism, when you've shown that you understood WHY
 the decisions were taken (documented in my blog), then you can make
 constructive suggestions how to make it better. Until then, you are just
 a joker who throws stones from afar.


Fair enough. I do appreciate your team's efforts, even if I don't
agree with the outcome. Your previous post explaining why RLM and LRM
were not included was very clear, I understand what you said. You feel
that those two characters affect the paragraph violently. I find
that to be an unsatisfactory explanation for not including them, in
fact I find that to be a satisfactory reason davka [1] to include
them. The character perform their intended effect. The fact that the
paragraph is so mungled without them that the change is violent when
the paragraph is aligned properly demonstrates just how bad the
characters are needed. I could say that the paragraph is violently
aligned without them.


 For the record, Shai Berger also did not like some of the decisions. He
 asked to be attend personally, got his wish, made his case, got focused
 responses, and was satisfied that it couldn't have been done better.


Where can I read the explanations? Would you mind CCing Shai with my
contact info? Thanks.


 It is possible that things could be done better, but uninformed
 criticism like yours shows little more than ignorance, and does little
 to get us there (assuming it's possible).


I'm interested in being a productive participant. If I should make a
good case for including the RLM and LRM, incluuding the places to plut
them on the keyboard, to whom should I address it?

Thanks.


[1] How to say דוקא in English?

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Re: Thunderbird mailer

2011-08-18 Thread Stan Goodman
On Thursday 18 August 2011 21:06:40 Dotan Cohen wrote:
 [1] How to say דווקא in English?

The word is obviously related to e,g, דייק, and that's the clue. How to 
translate it depends on the sentence, but I usually find that it fits 
with precisely, or specifically, or something similar. This doesn't 
work with a sentence like למה אתה מתנהג כל כך דווקא, only because that's 
folk syntax, and the meaning has drifted.
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Re: Thunderbird mailer

2011-08-18 Thread Shachar Shemesh

  
  
On 08/18/2011 09:06 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
  
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 18:12, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote:


   I

  
didn't assume anything, all the facts that I mention are referred to
here (your site):
http://www.lingnu.com/en/howto/78-si1452.html


  
  
As for the actual criticism, when you've shown that you understood WHY
the decisions were taken (documented in my blog), then you can make
constructive suggestions how to make it better. Until then, you are just
a joker who throws stones from afar.




Fair enough. I do appreciate your team's efforts, even if I don't
agree with the outcome. Your previous post explaining why RLM and LRM
were not included was very clear,
  
  Was it? They are right there, AltGr+9 and AltGr+0. It's the other
  ones, RLE, LRE, RLO, LRO and PDF that were not included.
  Where can I read the explanations? Would you mind
CCing Shai with my
contact info? Thanks.
  

BCCed. The explanation is in my blog, too. Read the comments on
  the posts at http://blog.shemesh.biz/?s=1452


  

I'm interested in being a productive participant. If I should make a
good case for including the RLM and LRM, incluuding the places to plut
them on the keyboard, to whom should I address it?
  
  No one. They are, already, included. If, however, you have
  criticism about something not in the proposed standard (or
  something that you feel should not be in the standard and is), my
  blog is the best place. If you feel you disagree with me about my
  answers, I believe we will be able to arrange for an invite to the
  next meeting as well. In any case, as soon as the standard's text
  is finalized and gone past editing, it will be published for
  community review (the official part). At that point you will be
  able to file objections and comments formally. Like I said before,
  I intend to try and change the "no touching level 2" decision
  myself at that point.
 [1] How to say דוקא in English?
The word "spite" comes to mind, despite not meaning exactly the
  same thing in the context you were using it. Morphix
  (http://morfix.mako.co.il/default.aspx?q=%D7%93%D7%95%D7%95%D7%A7%D7%90source=milon)
  has no better suggestions (or, for that matter, any relevant
  suggestions at all).

Shachar





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[OFFTOPIC] The word 'davka' is complicated to translate (was: Re: Thunderbird mailer)

2011-08-18 Thread Omer Zak
There is a special blog article devoted to this subject:
http://elephant.org.il/translate/davka.html

--- Omer


On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 21:38 +0300, Stan Goodman wrote:
 On Thursday 18 August 2011 21:06:40 Dotan Cohen wrote:
  [1] How to say דווקא in English?
 
 The word is obviously related to e,g, דייק, and that's the clue. How to 
 translate it depends on the sentence, but I usually find that it fits 
 with precisely, or specifically, or something similar. This doesn't 
 work with a sentence like למה אתה מתנהג כל כך דווקא, only because that's 
 folk syntax, and the meaning has drifted.

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checking wireless cable

2011-08-18 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt

Hi,

I have a weird - and rather embarrassing - problem after returning
home from a trip. My laptop's wireless card can't connect to the
wireless router (D-Link DIR-615) anymore. I am fairly certain that no
configuration has changed. 

Fedora 14 on an X200 ThinkPad with Intel iwl5100AGN card. Firmware
installed, kernel 2.6.35.13-91.fc14.x86_64,

# lsmod | grep iwlagn
iwlagn209445  0 
iwlcore   195698  1 iwlagn
mac80211  229063  2 iwlagn,iwlcore
cfg80211  134981  3 iwlagn,iwlcore,mac80211

(tried to reload iwlagn multiple times).

Restarting the network yields:

Bringing up interface wlan0:  
Determining IP information for wlan0... failed; no link present.  Check cable?

(a fun message IMHO). In /var/log/messages I see

kernel: [ 2355.907603] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready

Things I've tried (beyond fruitless googling, of course - no forums
have useful info of any kind):

1. disabling wireless security
2. making sure the device is not under NetworkManager control
   (switched on and off, uninstalled NM and reinstalled again) - NM is
   not to blame
3. restarting everything multiple times (and checking BIOS settings)
4. making sure another wireless device (phone) connects to the same
   router without a problem
5. making sure that wpa_supplicant does not run
6. Ethernet works fine so it is not a general networking issue
7. tried connecting with WiFiRadar, wlassistant - to no avail

None of the above makes any difference.

Has anyone encountered anything similar? Any suggestions for things I
should try?

For completeness here is ifcfg-wlan0 (asterisks mask irrelevant
identifying info):

TYPE=Wireless
DEVICE=wlan0
BOOTPROTO=dhcp
ONBOOT=yes
USERCTL=yes
IPV6INIT=no
NM_CONTROLLED=no
MODE=Managed
RATE=auto
HWADDR=**:**:**:**:**:**
KEY_MGMT=WPA-PSK
DEFROUTE=yes
PEERDNS=yes
PEERROUTES=yes
DHCP_HOSTNAME=**
IPV4_FAILURE_FATAL=yes
NAME=wlan0
ESSID=
CHANNEL=

I played with NM_CONTROLLED, KEY_MGMT (disabled security), and ESSID
(setting to specific value).

Thanks,

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Re: checking wireless cable

2011-08-18 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:02:14PM +0300, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
 Has anyone encountered anything similar? Any suggestions for things I
 should try?

What is the output of 'iwconfig' and of 'iwlist scanning', both as root?
I have a feeling it won't say much, but just in case.
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] The word 'davka' is complicated to translate (was: Re: Thunderbird mailer)

2011-08-18 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 22:08, Omer Zak w...@zak.co.il wrote:
 There is a special blog article devoted to this subject:
 http://elephant.org.il/translate/davka.html

 --- Omer


Nice, thanks.


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Re: Thunderbird mailer

2011-08-18 Thread Dotan Cohen
Shachar, your mailing in mungling quoted replies. The past three
levels of quotes all came out as single gr's. I fixed them manually
below to preserve context.


On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 21:57, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote:
 Your previous post explaining why RLM and LRM
 were not included was very clear,

 Was it? They are right there, AltGr+9 and AltGr+0. It's the other ones, RLE,
 LRE, RLO, LRO and PDF that were not included.


I did mean RLE and LRE, sorry. Had RLM or LRM been left out you would
have found me on your doorstep!


 Where can I read the explanations? Would you mind CCing Shai with my contact
 info? Thanks.

 BCCed. The explanation is in my blog, too. Read the comments on the posts at
 http://blog.shemesh.biz/?s=1452


Thank you Shachar. This is the direction things should have been going
from the beginning, I apologize that my -gisha- (approach?) was poorly
constructed.


 I'm interested in being a productive participant. If I should make a
 good case for including the RLM and LRM, incluuding the places to plut
 them on the keyboard, to whom should I address it?

 No one. They are, already, included. If, however, you have criticism about
 something not in the proposed standard (or something that you feel should
 not be in the standard and is), my blog is the best place. If you feel you
 disagree with me about my answers, I believe we will be able to arrange for
 an invite to the next meeting as well. In any case, as soon as the
 standard's text is finalized and gone past editing, it will be published for
 community review (the official part). At that point you will be able to file
 objections and comments formally. Like I said before, I intend to try and
 change the no touching level 2 decision myself at that point.


Thank you. Your engagement of the community is vitally important and
well appreciated.


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Re: Thunderbird mailer

2011-08-18 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 08/18/2011 10:53 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:

 Shachar, your mailing in mungling quoted replies. The past three
 levels of quotes all came out as single gr's. I fixed them manually
 below to preserve context.
for some reason, latest thunderbirds (hurrah, we came back on topic!)
refuses to default to both plain text and HTML format. My options for
default are either HTML only or text only. Since there is no way to
embed paragraph direction (and other changes) in text only, I go for
HTML only and hope to remember to change to HTML+text for all outgoing
emails.

Sorry about that. If anyone here knows how to change this, please let me
know.

Shachar

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Re: [OFFTOPIC] The word 'davka' is complicated to translate (was: Re: Thunderbird mailer)

2011-08-18 Thread Stan Goodman
On Thursday 18 August 2011 22:08:29 Omer Zak wrote:
 There is a special blog article devoted to this subject:
 http://elephant.org.il/translate/davka.html

It's not harder to translate than any other word. It's only necessary to 
think what one wants to say, which not everyone does. As I said earlier, 
the word had become overlaid with extraneous meanings, which means only 
that there is an enlarged set of possible meanings for you to pick. 
Spite, for example, simply doesn't have any connection with the root 
of the word. It's an addon.

Another word with a similar mystique is Nu, in Yiddish. Any number of 
people will tell you that it is untranslatable, although it is a simple 
Russian word for which one can plug in Well in English:

A: Well?Nu?
B: Eh, we-e-ell.Eh, nu-u-u-u.
A: WELL!!!  NU!!!

-- 
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

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Re: checking wireless cable

2011-08-18 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Yedidyah Bar-David linux...@didi.bardavid.org writes:

 On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:02:14PM +0300, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
 Has anyone encountered anything similar? Any suggestions for things I
 should try?

 What is the output of 'iwconfig' and of 'iwlist scanning', both as root?
 I have a feeling it won't say much, but just in case.

# iwconfig wlan0
wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:off/any  
  Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.417 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated   
  Tx-Power=15 dBm   
  Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
  Power Management:off

In the following the important part is related to ESSID=oleggw (my router):

# iwconfig scanning # non-wireless output/errors omitted
  
wlan0 Scan completed :
  Cell 01 - Address: 00:21:04:D2:EF:22
Channel:1
Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1)
Quality=51/70  Signal level=-59 dBm  
Encryption key:on
ESSID:orange-6PSR
Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s
  9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s
Bit Rates:24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
Mode:Master
Extra:tsf=000c7003f722
Extra: Last beacon: 3232ms ago
IE: Unknown: 000B6F72616E67652D36505352
IE: Unknown: 010882848B968C129824
IE: Unknown: 030101
IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1
Group Cipher : TKIP
Pairwise Ciphers (2) : CCMP TKIP
Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
IE: WPA Version 1
Group Cipher : TKIP
Pairwise Ciphers (2) : CCMP TKIP
Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
IE: Unknown: 2A0100
IE: Unknown: 3204B048606C
IE: Unknown: 
DD180050F2020101830003A427A442435E0062322F00
IE: Unknown: DD0900037F01010020FF7F
IE: Unknown: DD0A00037F040100
IE: Unknown: 
DDB00050F204104A000110104400010210570001001041000100103B00010310470010565AA94967C14C0EAA8FF349E6F593111021001B4A756E676F20536F66747761726520546563686E6F6C6F676965731023001C4F72616E676520475720506F72746120322E3020506C6174666F726D1024000B6F72616E676567772D70321042000C3030323130343031353438371054000800060050F2040001101100064F70656E5247100800020084103C000101
  Cell 02 - Address: 00:18:E7:E8:4A:4B
Channel:2
Frequency:2.417 GHz (Channel 2)
Quality=70/70  Signal level=-22 dBm  
Encryption key:on
ESSID:oleggw
Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s
  9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s
Bit Rates:24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
Mode:Master
Extra:tsf=0207805f
Extra: Last beacon: 3228ms ago
IE: Unknown: 00066F6C65676777
IE: Unknown: 010882848B960C121824
IE: Unknown: 030102
IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1
Group Cipher : TKIP
Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP
Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
IE: WPA Version 1
Group Cipher : TKIP
Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP
Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
IE: Unknown: 2A0100
IE: Unknown: 32043048606C
IE: Unknown: 
DD180050F2020101010003A427A442435E0062322F00
IE: Unknown: 
DD1E00904C334C101B00
IE: Unknown: 
2D1A4C101B00
IE: Unknown: 
DD1A00904C3402001B00
IE: Unknown: 
3D1602001B00
IE: Unknown: DD0900037F0101FF7F
IE: Unknown: DD0A00037F0401000400
IE: Unknown: 
DD7B0050F204104A00011010440001021041000100103B00010310470010565AA94967C14C0EAA8FF349E6F5931110210006442D4C696E6B1023000D442D4C696E6B20526F75746572102400074449522D363135104200046E6F6E651054000800060050F204000110110006442D4C696E6B100800020084103C000101
  Cell 03 - Address: 00:21:04:89:81:12
Channel:6
Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6)
Quality=42/70  Signal level=-68 dBm  
Encryption key:on
ESSID:swl-u
Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s
  

Re: checking wireless cable

2011-08-18 Thread geoffrey mendelson


On Aug 19, 2011, at 12:21 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:


What is the output of 'iwconfig' and of 'iwlist scanning', both as  
root?

I have a feeling it won't say much, but just in case.



My guess is that you changed the region/country/jusridiction to one  
where channel 2 is not legal.


Where you just in the new world?

Geoff.

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Re: Thunderbird mailer

2011-08-18 Thread Dotan Cohen
2011/8/18 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz:
 Since there is no way to embed
 paragraph direction (and other changes) in text only,


Yes there is, just put this non-printing character at the
beginning of your RTL emails: -‫ -

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http://what-is-what.com

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Re: Thunderbird mailer

2011-08-18 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 08/19/2011 12:52 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:

 2011/8/18 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz:
 Since there is no way to embed
 paragraph direction (and other changes) in text only,

 Yes there is, just put this non-printing character at the
 beginning of your RTL emails: -‫ -

Doesn't do the same thing, neither practically nor theoretically
(though, for different reasons).

Shachar

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Re: Thunderbird mailer

2011-08-18 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 08:04, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote:
 On 08/19/2011 12:52 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:

 2011/8/18 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz:
 Since there is no way to embed
 paragraph direction (and other changes) in text only,

 Yes there is, just put this non-printing character at the
 beginning of your RTL emails: -‫ -

 Doesn't do the same thing, neither practically nor theoretically
 (though, for different reasons).

 Shachar


Really? Was is the effect of  embedding paragraph direction in HTML?
What is the effect of the character that I posted? How do they differ?

This is an important question, my argument regarding the inclusion of
some non-printing characters hinges on their usefulness. I find this
one to be essential. I need to know how it is not working for you, or
how its behaviour is different from what you expect.

Thanks. I think that this comment is the breakthrough that we need.

-- 
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Re: Thunderbird mailer

2011-08-18 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 08/19/2011 08:13 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:

 Really? Was is the effect of  embedding paragraph direction in HTML?
 What is the effect of the character that I posted? How do they differ?
On the theoretical level, an RLE at the beginning of the paragraph means
to embed an RTL run inside the paragraph. This means that you have a
basically LTR paragraph with the actual text inside an RTL run. This
goes to paragraph alignment - an LTR paragraph should be left aligned.
You could claim that the paragraph auto-detection will do the rest, but
if that were true, you could put an RLM instead of an RLE at the
beginning of the paragraph.

There is also an hypothetical case that of unbalanced PDFs reverting the
effect, but I'm only bringing it up as a side note, as I agree that for
all practical purposes, this is irrelevant.

On the practical level, many implementations (Windows' edit control
included) do line breaks and only then BiDi. As a result, all state is
lost at the end of the line, and the RLE only covers the first line of
the paragraph. Since most mailers (thunderbird included) do explicit
line breaking in text mode, this is not even necessarily a violation of
the standard, as RLEs should be forgotten at the paragraph end character
(a fact you rely on when you put an RLE at the beginning, but not a PDF
at the end).

Shachar

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