Re: linux.org.il - help wanted
something like an iglu/what's up merge?
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
Hi Folks,
I concur with Gilad and the Makor board in the view that www.linux.org.il
should be a portal to all Linux activities in Israel, not just IGLU. We
need a portal that will sell Linux to the wider community, including folks
who are not English literate sys-admins.
I do think that IGLU needs to re-define itself as a result of this change.
My suggestion would be that IGLU re-position itself in the post-sale
support market - that is, concentrate on giving good support to people
who are already sold on Linux, and on providing an Israeli, English
language Linux forum where the non Hebrew-speaking crowd will feel as
comfortable as it is possible to feel with us in any language.
Regards,
- yba
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 09:48, guy keren wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
That said, I think I'll take Ilya's design. You can view it at
http://furr.shiny.co.il/linux.org.il/. Does anyone have any objections?
no. after some text editing (i could do that if needed, once the text is
ready), some fixes to the 'what is linux' page (on galeon 1.2 that comes
with redhat 7.3, the images are shown on the left, on top of part of the
text), and completing the site, it could do well.
Indeed.
the only question to ask is - are we (iglu) letting go of the linux.org.il
domain in favor of such a neutral entry page? this is the question that
should have been asked - lets not do this change like thieves in the
night. and my vote would be 'a painfull ok' :0
Some background is due: the linux.org.il domain has been purchased and owned
by Jonathan Ben Avraham for the purpose of serving the community and he chose
to direct it to the IGLU web site.
Jonatan was generous enough to donate the ownership of the domain to HaMakor
under the condition that it will be used in accordance of HaMakor goals. As
such, we consider ourselves to be stewreds (ðàîðéí) of this domain for the
community.
We (Hamakor board) believe that the domain will better serve the community as
a general portal to Israeli Linux web resources, both Hebrew and otherwise
(including IGLU, of course, but also the pengiun, whatsup, linux.israel.net,
Haifux, TAUX, Perl/Python resources, various Linux forums, Hamakor and so
forth), rather then a simple redirect to IGLU as it is now.
Note that this is our opinion - not a decision, right now. If someone thinks
that this is bad idea, please speak up. If someone has other ideas what to do
with the domain *and is willing to implement them*, please speak up. In
short, we're looking for feedback, but most important - for active help.
Cheers,
Gilad
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Re: linux.org.il - help wanted
Hi Folks,
I concur with Gilad and the Makor board in the view that www.linux.org.il
should be a portal to all Linux activities in Israel, not just IGLU. We
need a portal that will sell Linux to the wider community, including folks
who are not English literate sys-admins.
I do think that IGLU needs to re-define itself as a result of this change.
My suggestion would be that IGLU re-position itself in the post-sale
support market - that is, concentrate on giving good support to people
who are already sold on Linux, and on providing an Israeli, English
language Linux forum where the non Hebrew-speaking crowd will feel as
comfortable as it is possible to feel with us in any language.
Regards,
- yba
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 09:48, guy keren wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
That said, I think I'll take Ilya's design. You can view it at
http://furr.shiny.co.il/linux.org.il/. Does anyone have any objections?
no. after some text editing (i could do that if needed, once the text is
ready), some fixes to the 'what is linux' page (on galeon 1.2 that comes
with redhat 7.3, the images are shown on the left, on top of part of the
text), and completing the site, it could do well.
Indeed.
the only question to ask is - are we (iglu) letting go of the linux.org.il
domain in favor of such a neutral entry page? this is the question that
should have been asked - lets not do this change like thieves in the
night. and my vote would be 'a painfull ok' :0
Some background is due: the linux.org.il domain has been purchased and owned
by Jonathan Ben Avraham for the purpose of serving the community and he chose
to direct it to the IGLU web site.
Jonatan was generous enough to donate the ownership of the domain to HaMakor
under the condition that it will be used in accordance of HaMakor goals. As
such, we consider ourselves to be stewreds (ðàîðéí) of this domain for the
community.
We (Hamakor board) believe that the domain will better serve the community as
a general portal to Israeli Linux web resources, both Hebrew and otherwise
(including IGLU, of course, but also the pengiun, whatsup, linux.israel.net,
Haifux, TAUX, Perl/Python resources, various Linux forums, Hamakor and so
forth), rather then a simple redirect to IGLU as it is now.
Note that this is our opinion - not a decision, right now. If someone thinks
that this is bad idea, please speak up. If someone has other ideas what to do
with the domain *and is willing to implement them*, please speak up. In
short, we're looking for feedback, but most important - for active help.
Cheers,
Gilad
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Re: linux.org.il - help wanted
guy keren wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: the only question to ask is - are we (iglu) letting go of the linux.org.il domain in favor of such a neutral entry page? this is the question that should have been asked - lets not do this change like thieves in the night. and my vote would be 'a painfull ok' :0 Are there any stats about the amount of exposure linux.org.il got till today? What kind of crowde looked at it? I mean - my hunch (and wishfull thinking?) is that such a domain would be among the first people in Israel will try to go to in order to learn basic stuff about Linux, but is this correct? What where they looking for? How useful was the data they found there? What should be there in order to get them hooked? --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux.org.il - help wanted
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 09:48, guy keren wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: That said, I think I'll take Ilya's design. You can view it at http://furr.shiny.co.il/linux.org.il/. Does anyone have any objections? no. after some text editing (i could do that if needed, once the text is ready), some fixes to the 'what is linux' page (on galeon 1.2 that comes with redhat 7.3, the images are shown on the left, on top of part of the text), and completing the site, it could do well. Indeed. the only question to ask is - are we (iglu) letting go of the linux.org.il domain in favor of such a neutral entry page? this is the question that should have been asked - lets not do this change like thieves in the night. and my vote would be 'a painfull ok' :0 Some background is due: the linux.org.il domain has been purchased and owned by Jonathan Ben Avraham for the purpose of serving the community and he chose to direct it to the IGLU web site. Jonatan was generous enough to donate the ownership of the domain to HaMakor under the condition that it will be used in accordance of HaMakor goals. As such, we consider ourselves to be stewreds () of this domain for the community. We (Hamakor board) believe that the domain will better serve the community as a general portal to Israeli Linux web resources, both Hebrew and otherwise (including IGLU, of course, but also the pengiun, whatsup, linux.israel.net, Haifux, TAUX, Perl/Python resources, various Linux forums, Hamakor and so forth), rather then a simple redirect to IGLU as it is now. Note that this is our opinion - not a decision, right now. If someone thinks that this is bad idea, please speak up. If someone has other ideas what to do with the domain *and is willing to implement them*, please speak up. In short, we're looking for feedback, but most important - for active help. Cheers, Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Codefidence. A name you can trust (tm) http://www.codefidence.com To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux.org.il - help wanted
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi all, The domain servers still need to be updated. Once they are, however, linux.org.il is going to be pointing to a new, dedicated, site. This site is meant to be a portal allowing at-a-glance overview in Hebrew of all the Linux activity in Israel. That's where I need your help - I'm no good as a web designer. You can have a glance at the poor excuse for a page that is there at the moment by setting your /etc/hosts to resolve linux.org.il to 192.117.122.104, and pointing your browser accordingly. Any help you can offer would be greatly appretiated. Comments: 1. MOST IMPORTANT: Change the encoding to ISO-8859-8-i or UTF-8, and use characters instead of entities (see the source). 2. Change all the text to links (ofcourse). 3. Make an automatic redirect to iglu.org.il for not found pages: (in Vhosts.conf) RewriteEngine On RewriteCond /your-document-root/$1 !-l RewriteCond /your-document-root/$1 !-f RewriteCond /your-document-root/$1 !-d RewriteCond $1 !^cgi-bin RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://iglu.org.il/$1 [R=permanent] 4. Make a visibile link in English at the top of the page to IGLU with a notice to update your bookmarks. I second that. A link to www.iglu.org.il would be nice for English speakers. Regards, Shlomi Fish 5. The site looks awful. I suggest not to launch it at all at this time, and make the entire site a permanent redirect to iglu.org.il using the following: (in Vhosts.conf) RewriteEngine On RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://iglu.org.il/$1 [R=permanent] This will update all search engines to use iglu.org.il and not linux.org.il. Then design some pleasant-looking site with a shot explantaion of the various sites with links. Only when the site is ready, launch it. Thanks, Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 GPG public key at http://alon.wox.org/pubkey.txt Key fingerprint = A670 6C81 19D3 3773 3627DE14 B44A 50A3 FE06 7F24 -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- A well-known friend is a treasure. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed. Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux.org.il - help wanted
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: That said, I think I'll take Ilya's design. You can view it at http://furr.shiny.co.il/linux.org.il/. Does anyone have any objections? no. after some text editing (i could do that if needed, once the text is ready), some fixes to the 'what is linux' page (on galeon 1.2 that comes with redhat 7.3, the images are shown on the left, on top of part of the text), and completing the site, it could do well. the only question to ask is - are we (iglu) letting go of the linux.org.il domain in favor of such a neutral entry page? this is the question that should have been asked - lets not do this change like thieves in the night. and my vote would be 'a painfull ok' :0 -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
linux.org.il - help wanted
Hi all, The domain servers still need to be updated. Once they are, however, linux.org.il is going to be pointing to a new, dedicated, site. This site is meant to be a portal allowing at-a-glance overview in Hebrew of all the Linux activity in Israel. That's where I need your help - I'm no good as a web designer. You can have a glance at the poor excuse for a page that is there at the moment by setting your /etc/hosts to resolve linux.org.il to 192.117.122.104, and pointing your browser accordingly. Any help you can offer would be greatly appretiated. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux.org.il - help wanted
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi all, The domain servers still need to be updated. Once they are, however, linux.org.il is going to be pointing to a new, dedicated, site. This site is meant to be a portal allowing at-a-glance overview in Hebrew of all the Linux activity in Israel. That's where I need your help - I'm no good as a web designer. You can have a glance at the poor excuse for a page that is there at the moment by setting your /etc/hosts to resolve linux.org.il to 192.117.122.104, and pointing your browser accordingly. Any help you can offer would be greatly appretiated. Comments: 1. MOST IMPORTANT: Change the encoding to ISO-8859-8-i or UTF-8, and use characters instead of entities (see the source). 2. Change all the text to links (ofcourse). 3. Make an automatic redirect to iglu.org.il for not found pages: (in Vhosts.conf) RewriteEngine On RewriteCond /your-document-root/$1 !-l RewriteCond /your-document-root/$1 !-f RewriteCond /your-document-root/$1 !-d RewriteCond $1 !^cgi-bin RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://iglu.org.il/$1 [R=permanent] 4. Make a visibile link in English at the top of the page to IGLU with a notice to update your bookmarks. 5. The site looks awful. I suggest not to launch it at all at this time, and make the entire site a permanent redirect to iglu.org.il using the following: (in Vhosts.conf) RewriteEngine On RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://iglu.org.il/$1 [R=permanent] This will update all search engines to use iglu.org.il and not linux.org.il. Then design some pleasant-looking site with a shot explantaion of the various sites with links. Only when the site is ready, launch it. Thanks, Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 GPG public key at http://alon.wox.org/pubkey.txt Key fingerprint = A670 6C81 19D3 3773 3627 DE14 B44A 50A3 FE06 7F24 -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- A well-known friend is a treasure. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux.org.il - help wanted
, 29 2003, 00:09,Shachar Shemesh: Hi all, The domain servers still need to be updated. Once they are, however, linux.org.il is going to be pointing to a new, dedicated, site. This site is meant to be a portal allowing at-a-glance overview in Hebrew of all the Linux activity in Israel. That's where I need your help - I'm no good as a web designer. You can have a glance at the poor excuse for a page that is there at the moment by setting your /etc/hosts to resolve linux.org.il to 192.117.122.104, and pointing your browser accordingly. Any help you can offer would be greatly appretiated. Shachar funny. browsing to that ip i get hamakor site. setting the host in my box and browsing to linux.org.il works. Shahar, please add also walla.co.il forum there? :) and a hint for you: http://www.oswd.org/index.php I tested some designs there are just put dir=rtl in the body, and they do look OK even in RTL mode. Here you can try in this site if you want: (this is my home box, not always online, not always running kde, so it will not be 24/7 up, try in the after noon if you are interested): http cucomania _dot_ afraid _dot_ org:8001 (yes I do run kde's file sharing applet for site, flames should go in private, and try not to abuse my box please :-) -- diego, 3 Tishrey 5764 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux.org.il - help wanted
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments: 1. MOST IMPORTANT: Change the encoding to ISO-8859-8-i or UTF-8, and use characters instead of entities (see the source). 2. Change all the text to links (ofcourse). 3. Make an automatic redirect to iglu.org.il for not found pages: (in Vhosts.conf) RewriteEngine On RewriteCond /your-document-root/$1 !-l RewriteCond /your-document-root/$1 !-f RewriteCond /your-document-root/$1 !-d RewriteCond $1 !^cgi-bin RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://iglu.org.il/$1 [R=permanent] 4. Make a visibile link in English at the top of the page to IGLU with a notice to update your bookmarks. 5. The site looks awful. I suggest not to launch it at all at this time, and make the entire site a permanent redirect to iglu.org.il using the following: (in Vhosts.conf) RewriteEngine On RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://iglu.org.il/$1 [R=permanent] This will update all search engines to use iglu.org.il and not linux.org.il. Then design some pleasant-looking site with a shot explantaion of the various sites with links. Only when the site is ready, launch it. I'm going to take advice #5 for the time being. I found that after about a week, Google will update it's database merging the new and the old sites. As an OT sidenote, I'll mention that even today, Google knows that http://linux.org.il and http://iglu.org.il are the same site. Searching for pages that point to the former returns mostly pages that link to the later. That said, I think I'll take Ilya's design. You can view it at http://furr.shiny.co.il/linux.org.il/. Does anyone have any objections? Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
