Hurd [was Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings [OT] ]
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Dovix wrote: Numbering is really not an issue. See, it can always start at 3.0 as the first stable version. That practice worked quite well with NT ;) By that time Linux may still be at 2.8, and if for some reason Linus will decide to go for the magic Number 3.0, Hurd can launch as Hurd 2005 ... Maybe I did not express myself correctly, but I was only using the numbering as an indication for stability and maturity. Hurd does not have a stable release yet, and when it does it will be much less mature than the current Linux (or even perhaps a Linux kernel version some time back). And judging by the time the Hurd is progressing in comparison to the time Linux does, one can assume a similar situation will always prevail. btw, did anybody ACTUALLY try The Hurd? There's even (or was) a Debian iso for it. Check: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/message/87 It's the best I can find now. Regards, Shlomi Fish --- Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secondly, the development of Hurd took too much time to believe it can ever amount to anything. Linux (the kernel) is already at 2.6.x and is widely deployed and has a lot of features, and is taking the world by storm. Hurd is not even at 1.0, and its development began before Linus Torvalds startedworking on Linux. Will it ever be ready for prime-time? Just my 20 agoroth. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed. Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed. Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hurd [was Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings [OT] ]
Another approach is for Hurd to implement interfaces, which will allow it to use Linux drivers (this approach is almost as heretical as developing a layer for allowing Linux to use NDIS-compatible drivers). On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Dovix wrote: Numbering is really not an issue. See, it can always start at 3.0 as the first stable version. That practice worked quite well with NT ;) By that time Linux may still be at 2.8, and if for some reasonLinus will decide to go for the magic Number 3.0, Hurd can launch as Hurd 2005 ... Maybe I did not express myself correctly, but I was only using the numbering as an indication for stability and maturity. Hurd does not have a stable release yet, and when it does it will be much less mature than the current Linux (or even perhaps a Linux kernel version some time back). And judging by the time the Hurd is progressing in comparison to the time Linux does, one can assume a similar situation will always prevail. btw, did anybody ACTUALLY try The Hurd? There's even (or was) a Debian iso for it. Check: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/message/87 It's the best I can find now. Regards, Shlomi Fish --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hurd [was Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings [OT] ]
I was joking of course, about version numbers. That's why I added the [OT]. Funny, but it is a common knowledge that M$ apps become usable after their third version, and starting NT from 3.x didn't change that paradigm. I have the feeling that The Hurd will be fine WHEN and IF it is finally released as a stable OS, regardless of numbering. Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Dovix wrote: Numbering is really not an issue. See, it can always start at 3.0 as the first stable version. That practice worked quite well with NT ;) By that time Linux may still be at 2.8, and if for some reason Linus will decide to go for the magic Number 3.0, Hurd can launch as Hurd 2005 ... Maybe I did not express myself correctly, but I was only using the numbering as an indication for stability and maturity. Hurd does not have a stable release yet, and when it does it will be much less mature than the current Linux (or even perhaps a Linux kernel version some time back). And judging by the time the Hurd is progressing in comparison to the time Linux does, one can assume a similar situation will always prevail. btw, did anybody ACTUALLY try The Hurd? There's even (or was) a Debian iso for it. Check: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/message/87 It's the best I can find now. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hurd [was Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings [OT] ]
On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 02:17:29AM -0800, Dovix wrote: I was joking of course, about version numbers. That's why I added the [OT]. Funny, but it is a common knowledge that M$ apps become usable after I would say barely usable, not usable. Taking win 3.11 as an example ;-) Actually when they put out windows at first as a competition for os2 (which they also wrote for IBM while they also wrote windows behind their back) their target was to first put the os out on the market and then make it stable. I don't think they got around to the stable part yet. their third version, and starting NT from 3.x didn't change that paradigm. I have the feeling that The Hurd will be fine WHEN and IF it is finally released as a stable OS, regardless of numbering. Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Dovix wrote: Numbering is really not an issue. See, it can always start at 3.0 as the first stable version. That practice worked quite well with NT ;) By that time Linux may still be at 2.8, and if for some reason Linus will decide to go for the magic Number 3.0, Hurd can launch as Hurd 2005 ... Maybe I did not express myself correctly, but I was only using the numbering as an indication for stability and maturity. Hurd does not have a stable release yet, and when it does it will be much less mature than the current Linux (or even perhaps a Linux kernel version some time back). And judging by the time the Hurd is progressing in comparison to the time Linux does, one can assume a similar situation will always prevail. btw, did anybody ACTUALLY try The Hurd? There's even (or was) a Debian iso for it. Check: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/message/87 It's the best I can find now. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
