bert D. Cahalan;
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>Subject: Re: hotmail can't deal with ECN
>
>
>On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:55:00PM -0500, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
>>
>> Adelphia Communications just blew off my problem complain
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Subject: Re: hotmail can't deal with ECN
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:55:00PM -0500, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
Adelphia Communications just blew off my problem complaint (they
have a router between me and the POP server that DENY's ECN
> > mean that hotmail doesn't get ECN packets and the connection gets established
> > just as if you were talking to a plain non-ECN server without a firewall.
>
> gozer IS my firewall. :) beyond it is a modem and a dailup point, my ISPs
> LAN and then the innanet. and I tried from it and from a
mean that hotmail doesn't get ECN packets and the connection gets established
just as if you were talking to a plain non-ECN server without a firewall.
gozer IS my firewall. :) beyond it is a modem and a dailup point, my ISPs
LAN and then the innanet. and I tried from it and from a box
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>
> I don't know if that's true. The headers I've seen from hotmail users --
> and Netcraft seem to agree -- indicate that they have migrated over to
> Win2K. I do understand this was a forced migration for non-technical
> reasons, and that they had
"Michael B. Trausch" wrote:
>
> On 29 Jan 2001, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> >
> > He's keeping in mind who owns Hotmail. However, I think that's unfair
> > to the Hotmail guys; all the ones I have ever spoken with have been
> > very professional and genuinely concerned with standards compliance.
>
On 29 Jan 2001, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>
> He's keeping in mind who owns Hotmail. However, I think that's unfair
> to the Hotmail guys; all the ones I have ever spoken with have been
> very professional and genuinely concerned with standards compliance.
>
I would also keep in mind, that
On 29 Jan 2001, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
He's keeping in mind who owns Hotmail. However, I think that's unfair
to the Hotmail guys; all the ones I have ever spoken with have been
very professional and genuinely concerned with standards compliance.
I would also keep in mind, that Microsoft
"Michael B. Trausch" wrote:
On 29 Jan 2001, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
He's keeping in mind who owns Hotmail. However, I think that's unfair
to the Hotmail guys; all the ones I have ever spoken with have been
very professional and genuinely concerned with standards compliance.
I would
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
I don't know if that's true. The headers I've seen from hotmail users --
and Netcraft seem to agree -- indicate that they have migrated over to
Win2K. I do understand this was a forced migration for non-technical
reasons, and that they had quite
H. Peter Anvin writes:
> He's keeping in mind who owns Hotmail. However, I think that's unfair
> to the Hotmail guys; all the ones I have ever spoken with have been
> very professional and genuinely concerned with standards compliance.
Yes, I also think this has nothing to do with who owns
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>
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Thunder from the hill wrote:
> >
> > > Don't they understand that Linux is actually a system that is growing to
> > > be very popular?
> >
> > That's
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Thunder from the hill wrote:
Don't they understand that Linux is actually a system that is growing to
be very popular?
That's why they ignore and
> Don't they understand that Linux is actually a system that is growing to
> be very popular?
That's why they ignore and don't support it.
Thunder
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"David S. Miller" wrote:
>
> Chris Wedgwood writes:
> > On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 10:34:47AM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
> >
> > That's it, in 4 weeks time I am putting a kernel onto
> > vger.kernel.org that speaks ECN. This is my official and only
> > warning.
> >
> > Why
"David S. Miller" wrote:
Chris Wedgwood writes:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 10:34:47AM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
That's it, in 4 weeks time I am putting a kernel onto
vger.kernel.org that speaks ECN. This is my official and only
warning.
Why wait 4 weeks at
Don't they understand that Linux is actually a system that is growing to
be very popular?
That's why they ignore and don't support it.
Thunder
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On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:15:45PM +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:55:00PM -0500, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
>
> Adelphia Communications just blew off my problem complaint (they
> have a router between me and the POP server that DENY's ECN),
> telling me that
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:14:14PM +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +1100, CaT wrote:
>> *screatches head*
>>
>> I'm not sure as to what the problem with hotmail may be. I have ECN
>> turned on:
>>
>> gozer:~# more
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:55:00PM -0500, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
>
> Adelphia Communications just blew off my problem complaint (they
> have a router between me and the POP server that DENY's ECN),
> telling me that they "..won't upgrade
Chris Wedgwood writes:
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 10:34:47AM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
>
> That's it, in 4 weeks time I am putting a kernel onto
> vger.kernel.org that speaks ECN. This is my official and only
> warning.
>
> Why wait 4 weeks at all? You seem to be very
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, David S. Miller wrote:
> Some of the MX records that show up for hotmail.com go
> to different machines, such as INKY.SOLINUS.COM which seems
> to let ECN connections through just fine.
Ahh.. In which case, *@hotmail.com list subscribers should still get their
mail OK - it
"David S. Miller" wrote:
>
[...]
> That's it, in 4 weeks time I am putting a kernel onto vger.kernel.org
> that speaks ECN. This is my official and only warning.
Fine.
Those who get their mail at hotmail can get a free yahoo account
for the list (and possibly other uses as well.) Yahoo have
mirabilos wrote:
> Correct - and additionally: what's about Win 95-ME, NT, W2K; *BSD?
> When I'm end user they don't block an ECN connection I thought, or do they?
> Idea: some1 makes up a web server.
> - If I can connect ECN is working
> - On the site I can enter my mail addy and get a mail
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:14:14PM +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +1100, CaT wrote:
*screatches head*
I'm not sure as to what the problem with hotmail may be. I have ECN
turned on:
gozer:~# more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
1
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:15:45PM +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:55:00PM -0500, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
Adelphia Communications just blew off my problem complaint (they
have a router between me and the POP server that DENY's ECN),
telling me that they
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:55:00PM -0500, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
Adelphia Communications just blew off my problem complaint (they
have a router between me and the POP server that DENY's ECN),
telling me that they "..won't upgrade the
"David S. Miller" wrote:
[...]
That's it, in 4 weeks time I am putting a kernel onto vger.kernel.org
that speaks ECN. This is my official and only warning.
Fine.
Those who get their mail at hotmail can get a free yahoo account
for the list (and possibly other uses as well.) Yahoo have no
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, David S. Miller wrote:
Some of the MX records that show up for hotmail.com go
to different machines, such as INKY.SOLINUS.COM which seems
to let ECN connections through just fine.
Ahh.. In which case, *@hotmail.com list subscribers should still get their
mail OK - it
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, David S. Miller wrote:
>
> Adelphia Communications just blew off my problem complaint (they have a
> router between me and the POP server that DENY's ECN), telling me that
> they "..won't upgrade the router on the basis of one
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, David S. Miller wrote:
> "test"? I know exactly whats going to happen, and unless folks like
> hotmail.com and others get their act together I'll certainly end up
> removing *@*hotmail.com from the lists by the end of that day.
>
> That is the whole point of this
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 05:04:23PM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
>
> CaT writes:
> > gozer:~# more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
> > 1
> >
> > and I can contact hotmail just fine.
> ...
> > where should I go to on hotmail to see it fail?
>
> Try telnetting to port 25 on one of their
>
CaT writes:
> gozer:~# more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
> 1
>
> and I can contact hotmail just fine.
...
> where should I go to on hotmail to see it fail?
Try telnetting to port 25 on one of their
"*.hotmail.com" MX records.
For example:
? host -a hostmail.com
...
hostmail.com651 IN
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 01:59:01AM +0100, Jan Niehusmann wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +1100, CaT wrote:
> > gozer:~# more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
> > 1
> >
> > and I can contact hotmail just fine. I also can ftp to your site
> > non-passively. where should I go to on hotmail
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +1100, CaT wrote:
> I'm not sure as to what the problem with hotmail may be. I have ECN
> turned on:
>
> gozer:~# more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
> 1
>
> and I can contact hotmail just fine. I also can ftp to your site
> non-passively. where should I go to on
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 04:37:37PM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
>
> James H. Cloos Jr. writes:
> > Are there any well know sites using ECN we can test against?
>
> Use non-passive FTP to my workstation and just do a directory listing
> which will make the FTP server create a TCP connection
James H. Cloos Jr. writes:
> Are there any well know sites using ECN we can test against?
Use non-passive FTP to my workstation and just do a directory listing
which will make the FTP server create a TCP connection back to your
machine for the transfer of the directory listing.
My workstation
> "alex" == alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
alex> I think the point of a test address is that this could
alex> conceivably affect more providers than just Hotmail, and it
alex> would be useful for people to be able to check to make sure
alex> their own provider isn't also ECN brain damaged
Alex wrote:
> Regarding Hotmail.. has anybody actually tried informing them that Cisco has a
> stable patch available? It's possible they're just misinformed about its
> status. I do think they should at least be given credit for:
Hotmail actually, as whole M$, is unreachable, so no1 could
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:13:03AM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
>
> Albert D. Cahalan writes:
> > How about some way to test before you do this?
> > Example: an ecn.kernel.org host that replys to mail.
>
> "test"? I know exactly whats going to happen, and unless folks like
> hotmail.com and
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, David S. Miller wrote:
>
> Albert D. Cahalan writes:
> > How about some way to test before you do this?
> > Example: an ecn.kernel.org host that replys to mail.
>
> "test"? I know exactly whats going to happen, and unless folks like
> hotmail.com and others get their
Intolerable, that's right.
Isn't ECN a good new technology? Isn't there an open implementation
on the `net? - So why don't they at least _start_ converting to it?
mirabilos - favouring security, too
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Albert D. Cahalan writes:
> How about some way to test before you do this?
> Example: an ecn.kernel.org host that replys to mail.
"test"? I know exactly whats going to happen, and unless folks like
hotmail.com and others get their act together I'll certainly end up
removing *@*hotmail.com
> That's it, in 4 weeks time I am putting a kernel onto vger.kernel.org
> that speaks ECN. This is my official and only warning.
How about some way to test before you do this?
Example: an ecn.kernel.org host that replys to mail.
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Jeremy Hansen writes:
>
> After mentioning ECN, this is the response I received from hotmail.
Hmmm...
> From: MSN Hotmail Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: CST23725481ID - Ban on Ecropolis
...
> There are firmware updates being planned by our vendor,
Albert D. Cahalan writes:
How about some way to test before you do this?
Example: an ecn.kernel.org host that replys to mail.
"test"? I know exactly whats going to happen, and unless folks like
hotmail.com and others get their act together I'll certainly end up
removing *@*hotmail.com from
Intolerable, that's right.
Isn't ECN a good new technology? Isn't there an open implementation
on the `net? - So why don't they at least _start_ converting to it?
mirabilos - favouring security, too
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Alex wrote:
Regarding Hotmail.. has anybody actually tried informing them that Cisco has a
stable patch available? It's possible they're just misinformed about its
status. I do think they should at least be given credit for:
Hotmail actually, as whole M$, is unreachable, so no1 could tell
"alex" == alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
alex I think the point of a test address is that this could
alex conceivably affect more providers than just Hotmail, and it
alex would be useful for people to be able to check to make sure
alex their own provider isn't also ECN brain damaged ...
I
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +1100, CaT wrote:
I'm not sure as to what the problem with hotmail may be. I have ECN
turned on:
gozer:~# more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
1
and I can contact hotmail just fine. I also can ftp to your site
non-passively. where should I go to on hotmail
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 01:59:01AM +0100, Jan Niehusmann wrote:
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +1100, CaT wrote:
gozer:~# more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
1
and I can contact hotmail just fine. I also can ftp to your site
non-passively. where should I go to on hotmail to see it
That's it, in 4 weeks time I am putting a kernel onto vger.kernel.org
that speaks ECN. This is my official and only warning.
How about some way to test before you do this?
Example: an ecn.kernel.org host that replys to mail.
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James H. Cloos Jr. writes:
Are there any well know sites using ECN we can test against?
Use non-passive FTP to my workstation and just do a directory listing
which will make the FTP server create a TCP connection back to your
machine for the transfer of the directory listing.
My workstation
Jeremy Hansen writes:
After mentioning ECN, this is the response I received from hotmail.
Hmmm...
From: MSN Hotmail Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CST23725481ID - Ban on Ecropolis
...
There are firmware updates being planned by our vendor, but they
CaT writes:
gozer:~# more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
1
and I can contact hotmail just fine.
...
where should I go to on hotmail to see it fail?
Try telnetting to port 25 on one of their
"*.hotmail.com" MX records.
For example:
? host -a hostmail.com
...
hostmail.com651 IN MX
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:13:03AM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
Albert D. Cahalan writes:
How about some way to test before you do this?
Example: an ecn.kernel.org host that replys to mail.
"test"? I know exactly whats going to happen, and unless folks like
hotmail.com and others
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, David S. Miller wrote:
"test"? I know exactly whats going to happen, and unless folks like
hotmail.com and others get their act together I'll certainly end up
removing *@*hotmail.com from the lists by the end of that day.
That is the whole point of this experiment.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, David S. Miller wrote:
Adelphia Communications just blew off my problem complaint (they have a
router between me and the POP server that DENY's ECN), telling me that
they "..won't upgrade the router on the basis of one
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 05:04:23PM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
CaT writes:
gozer:~# more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
1
and I can contact hotmail just fine.
...
where should I go to on hotmail to see it fail?
Try telnetting to port 25 on one of their
"*.hotmail.com" MX
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, David S. Miller wrote:
Albert D. Cahalan writes:
How about some way to test before you do this?
Example: an ecn.kernel.org host that replys to mail.
"test"? I know exactly whats going to happen, and unless folks like
hotmail.com and others get their act
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 04:37:37PM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
James H. Cloos Jr. writes:
Are there any well know sites using ECN we can test against?
Use non-passive FTP to my workstation and just do a directory listing
which will make the FTP server create a TCP connection back to
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