Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-19 Thread Helge Hafting
Antonio Vargas wrote: IIRC, about 2 or three years ago (or maybe on the 2.6.10 timeframe), there was a patch which managed to pass the interactive from one app to another when there was a pipe or udp connection between them. This meant that a marked-as-interactive xterm would, when blocked

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-19 Thread Helge Hafting
Antonio Vargas wrote: IIRC, about 2 or three years ago (or maybe on the 2.6.10 timeframe), there was a patch which managed to pass the interactive from one app to another when there was a pipe or udp connection between them. This meant that a marked-as-interactive xterm would, when blocked

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-18 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Sunday 18 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: > On Monday 12 March 2007 22:26, Al Boldi wrote: > > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: > > > > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > > On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > > > And thank you! I think I

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-18 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Sunday 18 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: On Monday 12 March 2007 22:26, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-17 Thread Bill Davidsen
Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 22:26, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is followed by

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-17 Thread Bill Davidsen
Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 22:26, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is followed by

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Antonio Vargas
On 3/12/07, jos poortvliet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: > On Tuesday 13 March 2007 01:14, Al Boldi wrote: > > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > > The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority > > > > > one runs 6-7ms and then one larger

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: > On Tuesday 13 March 2007 01:14, Al Boldi wrote: > > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > > The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority > > > > > one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration > > > > > amount. Basically

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Con Kolivas
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 01:14, Al Boldi wrote: > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority > > > > one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount. > > > > Basically exactly as I'd expect. The higher priority task gets > >

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Al Boldi
jos poortvliet wrote: > > It only takes one negatively nice'd proc to affect X adversely. > > Then, maybe, we should start nicing X again, like we did/had to do until a > few years ago? Or should we just wait until X gets fixed (after all, > development goes faster than ever)? Or is this really

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread michael chang
On 3/12/07, jos poortvliet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Al Boldi: > > It only takes one negatively nice'd proc to affect X adversely. goes faster than ever)? Or is this really the scheduler's fault? Take this with a grain of salt, but, I don't think this is the

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Al Boldi: > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority > > > > one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount. > > > > Basically exactly as I'd expect. The higher priority task gets > > > >

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Al Boldi
Con Kolivas wrote: > > > The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority > > > one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount. > > > Basically exactly as I'd expect. The higher priority task gets > > > precisely RR_INTERVAL maximum latency whereas the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 22:26, Al Boldi wrote: > Con Kolivas wrote: > > On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: > > > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > > And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each > > > > > rotation is

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Al Boldi
Con Kolivas wrote: > On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: > > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each > > > > rotation is followed by another rotation before the higher priority > >

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Al Boldi
Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is followed by another rotation before the higher priority task is

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 22:26, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is followed by another

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Al Boldi
Con Kolivas wrote: The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount. Basically exactly as I'd expect. The higher priority task gets precisely RR_INTERVAL maximum latency whereas the lower priority

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Al Boldi: Con Kolivas wrote: The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount. Basically exactly as I'd expect. The higher priority task gets precisely

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread michael chang
On 3/12/07, jos poortvliet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Al Boldi: It only takes one negatively nice'd proc to affect X adversely. goes faster than ever)? Or is this really the scheduler's fault? Take this with a grain of salt, but, I don't think this is the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Al Boldi
jos poortvliet wrote: It only takes one negatively nice'd proc to affect X adversely. Then, maybe, we should start nicing X again, like we did/had to do until a few years ago? Or should we just wait until X gets fixed (after all, development goes faster than ever)? Or is this really the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Con Kolivas
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 01:14, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount. Basically exactly as I'd expect. The higher priority task gets precisely

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 01:14, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount. Basically exactly as I'd

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Antonio Vargas
On 3/12/07, jos poortvliet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 01:14, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: > Con Kolivas wrote: > > On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: > > > And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each > > > rotation is followed by another rotation before the higher priority > > > task is getting a look in

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Al Boldi
Con Kolivas wrote: > On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: > > And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation > > is followed by another rotation before the higher priority task is > > getting a look in in schedule() to even get quota and add it to the > >

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 09:29, bert hubert wrote: > Con, > > Recent kernel versions have real problems for me on the interactivity > front, with even a simple 'make' of my C++ program (PowerDNS) causing > Firefox to slow down to a crawl. > > RSDL fixed all that, the system is noticeably snappier.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread bert hubert
Con, Recent kernel versions have real problems for me on the interactivity front, with even a simple 'make' of my C++ program (PowerDNS) causing Firefox to slow down to a crawl. RSDL fixed all that, the system is noticeably snappier. As a case in point, I used to notice when a compile was done

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: > And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is > followed by another rotation before the higher priority task is getting a > look in in schedule() to even get quota and add it to the runqueue quota. > I'll try a

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 05:11, Al Boldi wrote: > Al Boldi wrote: > > BTW, another way to show these hickups would be through some kind of a > > cpu/proc timing-tracer. Do we have something like that? > > Here is something like a tracer. > > Original idea by Chris Friesen, thanks, from this post:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Al Boldi
Al Boldi wrote: > BTW, another way to show these hickups would be through some kind of a > cpu/proc timing-tracer. Do we have something like that? Here is something like a tracer. Original idea by Chris Friesen, thanks, from this post:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Al Boldi
Al Boldi wrote: BTW, another way to show these hickups would be through some kind of a cpu/proc timing-tracer. Do we have something like that? Here is something like a tracer. Original idea by Chris Friesen, thanks, from this post:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 05:11, Al Boldi wrote: Al Boldi wrote: BTW, another way to show these hickups would be through some kind of a cpu/proc timing-tracer. Do we have something like that? Here is something like a tracer. Original idea by Chris Friesen, thanks, from this post:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is followed by another rotation before the higher priority task is getting a look in in schedule() to even get quota and add it to the runqueue quota. I'll try a simple

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread bert hubert
Con, Recent kernel versions have real problems for me on the interactivity front, with even a simple 'make' of my C++ program (PowerDNS) causing Firefox to slow down to a crawl. RSDL fixed all that, the system is noticeably snappier. As a case in point, I used to notice when a compile was done

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 09:29, bert hubert wrote: Con, Recent kernel versions have real problems for me on the interactivity front, with even a simple 'make' of my C++ program (PowerDNS) causing Firefox to slow down to a crawl. RSDL fixed all that, the system is noticeably snappier. As a

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Al Boldi
Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is followed by another rotation before the higher priority task is getting a look in in schedule() to even get quota and add it to the runqueue

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is followed by another rotation before the higher priority task is getting a look in in

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-09 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: > > But it IS okay for people to make special-case schedulers. Because it's MY > machine, Sure. Go wild. It's what open-source is all about. I'm not stopping you. I'm just not merging code that makes the scheduler unreadable, even hard to understand,

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-09 Thread Bill Davidsen
Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: Please, could you now rethink plugable scheduler as well? Even if one had to be chosen at boot time and couldn't be change thereafter, it would still allow a few new thoughts to be included. No. Really. I absolutely

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:31:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > No. Really. > I absolutely *detest* pluggable schedulers. They have a huge downside: > they allow people to think that it's ok to make special-case schedulers. > And I simply very fundamentally disagree. > If you want to play with

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:31:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: No. Really. I absolutely *detest* pluggable schedulers. They have a huge downside: they allow people to think that it's ok to make special-case schedulers. And I simply very fundamentally disagree. If you want to play with a

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-09 Thread Bill Davidsen
Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: Please, could you now rethink plugable scheduler as well? Even if one had to be chosen at boot time and couldn't be change thereafter, it would still allow a few new thoughts to be included. No. Really. I absolutely

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-09 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: But it IS okay for people to make special-case schedulers. Because it's MY machine, Sure. Go wild. It's what open-source is all about. I'm not stopping you. I'm just not merging code that makes the scheduler unreadable, even hard to understand,

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread hui
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:31:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: > > Please, could you now rethink plugable scheduler as well? Even if one had to > > be chosen at boot time and couldn't be change thereafter, it would still > > allow > > a few new thoughts

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: > > Please, could you now rethink plugable scheduler as well? Even if one had to > be chosen at boot time and couldn't be change thereafter, it would still allow > a few new thoughts to be included. No. Really. I absolutely *detest* pluggable

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Bill Davidsen
Con Kolivas wrote: On Wednesday 07 March 2007 04:50, Bill Davidsen wrote: With luck I'll get to shake out that patch in combination with kvm later today. Great thanks!. I've appreciated all the feedback so far. I did try, the 2.6.21-rc3-git3 doesn't want to kvm for me, and your patch may

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Bill Davidsen
Linus Torvalds wrote: On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Ed Tomlinson wrote: The patch _does_ make a difference. For instance reading mail with freenet working hard (threaded java application) and gentoo's emerge triggering compiles to update the box is much smoother. Think this scheduler needs serious

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Fabio Comolli
Well, downloaded - compiled - booted: initng measures 17.369 seconds to complete the boot process; without the patch the same kernel booted in 21.553 seconds. Very impressive. Many thanks for your work. Fabio On 3/8/07, Con Kolivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Friday 09 March 2007

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Con Kolivas
On Friday 09 March 2007 07:25, Fabio Comolli wrote: > Hi Con > It would be nice if you could rebase this patch to latest git or at > least to 2.6.21-rc3. > Regards, Check in http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/staircase-deadline/ There's an -rc3 patch there. -- -ck - To unsubscribe from this list:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Fabio Comolli
Hi Con It would be nice if you could rebase this patch to latest git or at least to 2.6.21-rc3. Regards, Fabio On 3/4/07, Con Kolivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is to announce the first general public release of the "Rotating Staircase DeadLine" cpu scheduler. Based on previous

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Tim Tassonis
Hi Con Just also wanted to throw in my less than two cents: I applied the patch and also have the very strong subjective impression that my system "feels" much more responsive than with stock 2.6.20. Thanks for the great work. Bye Tim - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Con Kolivas
On Thursday 08 March 2007 19:53, Ingo Molnar wrote: > * Con Kolivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is to announce the first general public release of the > > "Rotating Staircase DeadLine" cpu scheduler. > > > > Based on previous work from the staircase cpu scheduler I set out to > >

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Con Kolivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is to announce the first general public release of the > "Rotating Staircase DeadLine" cpu scheduler. > > Based on previous work from the staircase cpu scheduler I set out to > design, from scratch, a new scheduling policy design which

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Tim Tassonis
Hi Con Just also wanted to throw in my less than two cents: I applied the patch and also have the very strong subjective impression that my system feels much more responsive than with stock 2.6.20. Thanks for the great work. Bye Tim - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Fabio Comolli
Hi Con It would be nice if you could rebase this patch to latest git or at least to 2.6.21-rc3. Regards, Fabio On 3/4/07, Con Kolivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is to announce the first general public release of the Rotating Staircase DeadLine cpu scheduler. Based on previous

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Con Kolivas
On Friday 09 March 2007 07:25, Fabio Comolli wrote: Hi Con It would be nice if you could rebase this patch to latest git or at least to 2.6.21-rc3. Regards, Check in http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/staircase-deadline/ There's an -rc3 patch there. -- -ck - To unsubscribe from this list: send

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Fabio Comolli
Well, downloaded - compiled - booted: initng measures 17.369 seconds to complete the boot process; without the patch the same kernel booted in 21.553 seconds. Very impressive. Many thanks for your work. Fabio On 3/8/07, Con Kolivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 09 March 2007 07:25,

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Bill Davidsen
Linus Torvalds wrote: On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Ed Tomlinson wrote: The patch _does_ make a difference. For instance reading mail with freenet working hard (threaded java application) and gentoo's emerge triggering compiles to update the box is much smoother. Think this scheduler needs serious

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Bill Davidsen
Con Kolivas wrote: On Wednesday 07 March 2007 04:50, Bill Davidsen wrote: With luck I'll get to shake out that patch in combination with kvm later today. Great thanks!. I've appreciated all the feedback so far. I did try, the 2.6.21-rc3-git3 doesn't want to kvm for me, and your patch may

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: Please, could you now rethink plugable scheduler as well? Even if one had to be chosen at boot time and couldn't be change thereafter, it would still allow a few new thoughts to be included. No. Really. I absolutely *detest* pluggable schedulers.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread hui
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:31:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: Please, could you now rethink plugable scheduler as well? Even if one had to be chosen at boot time and couldn't be change thereafter, it would still allow a few new thoughts to be

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Con Kolivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is to announce the first general public release of the Rotating Staircase DeadLine cpu scheduler. Based on previous work from the staircase cpu scheduler I set out to design, from scratch, a new scheduling policy design which satisfies

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Con Kolivas
On Thursday 08 March 2007 19:53, Ingo Molnar wrote: * Con Kolivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is to announce the first general public release of the Rotating Staircase DeadLine cpu scheduler. Based on previous work from the staircase cpu scheduler I set out to design, from

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Willy Tarreau
Hi Bill, On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 04:37:37PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: (...) > The point is that no one CPU scheduler will satisfy the policy needs of > all users, any more than one i/o scheduler does so. We have realtime > scheduling, preempt both voluntary and involuntary, why should we not

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Bill Davidsen
Willy Tarreau wrote: On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 11:18:44AM +1100, Con Kolivas wrote: On Tuesday 06 March 2007 10:05, Bill Davidsen wrote: jos poortvliet wrote: Well, imho his current staircase scheduler already does a better job compared to mainline, but it won't make it in (or at

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Con Kolivas
On Wednesday 07 March 2007 04:50, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 05 March 2007, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> This looks like -mm stuff if you want it in 2.6.22 > > > > This needs to get to 2.6.21, it really is that big an improvement. > > As Con pointed out, for some

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Tuesday 06 March 2007, schreef Willy Tarreau: > In a way, I think they are right. Let me explain. Pluggable schedulers are > useful when you want to switch away from the default one. This is very > useful during development of a new scheduler, as well as when you're not > satisfied with the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Bill Davidsen
Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: This looks like -mm stuff if you want it in 2.6.22 This needs to get to 2.6.21, it really is that big an improvement. As Con pointed out, for some workloads and desired behavour this is not as good as the existing

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Al Boldi
Xavier Bestel wrote: > On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 09:10 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote: > > Hah I just wish gears would go away. If I get hardware where it runs at > > just the right speed it looks like it doesn't move at all. On other > > hardware the wheels go backwards and forwards where the screen

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 09:10 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote: > Hah I just wish gears would go away. If I get hardware where it runs at just > the right speed it looks like it doesn't move at all. On other hardware the > wheels go backwards and forwards where the screen refresh rate is just > perfectly

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 09:10 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote: Hah I just wish gears would go away. If I get hardware where it runs at just the right speed it looks like it doesn't move at all. On other hardware the wheels go backwards and forwards where the screen refresh rate is just perfectly a

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Al Boldi
Xavier Bestel wrote: On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 09:10 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote: Hah I just wish gears would go away. If I get hardware where it runs at just the right speed it looks like it doesn't move at all. On other hardware the wheels go backwards and forwards where the screen refresh

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Bill Davidsen
Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: This looks like -mm stuff if you want it in 2.6.22 This needs to get to 2.6.21, it really is that big an improvement. As Con pointed out, for some workloads and desired behavour this is not as good as the existing

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Tuesday 06 March 2007, schreef Willy Tarreau: In a way, I think they are right. Let me explain. Pluggable schedulers are useful when you want to switch away from the default one. This is very useful during development of a new scheduler, as well as when you're not satisfied with the default

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Con Kolivas
On Wednesday 07 March 2007 04:50, Bill Davidsen wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: This looks like -mm stuff if you want it in 2.6.22 This needs to get to 2.6.21, it really is that big an improvement. As Con pointed out, for some workloads and

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Bill Davidsen
Willy Tarreau wrote: On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 11:18:44AM +1100, Con Kolivas wrote: On Tuesday 06 March 2007 10:05, Bill Davidsen wrote: jos poortvliet wrote: Well, imho his current staircase scheduler already does a better job compared to mainline, but it won't make it in (or at

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Willy Tarreau
Hi Bill, On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 04:37:37PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: (...) The point is that no one CPU scheduler will satisfy the policy needs of all users, any more than one i/o scheduler does so. We have realtime scheduling, preempt both voluntary and involuntary, why should we not

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Nicholas Miell
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 05:41 +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: > On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 11:18:44AM +1100, Con Kolivas wrote: > > On Tuesday 06 March 2007 10:05, Bill Davidsen wrote: > > > jos poortvliet wrote: > > > > Well, imho his current staircase scheduler already does a better job > > > > compared

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Shawn Starr
On Monday 05 March 2007 10:13, Willy Tarreau wrote: > Con, > > I've now given it a try with HZ=250 on my dual-athlon. It works > beautifully. I also quickly checked that playing mp3 doesn't skip during > make -j4, and that gears runs fairly smoothly, since those are the > references people often

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 11:18:44AM +1100, Con Kolivas wrote: > On Tuesday 06 March 2007 10:05, Bill Davidsen wrote: > > jos poortvliet wrote: > > > Well, imho his current staircase scheduler already does a better job > > > compared to mainline, but it won't make it in (or at least, it's not > > >

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 05 March 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote: >On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Ed Tomlinson wrote: >> The patch _does_ make a difference. For instance reading mail with >> freenet working hard (threaded java application) and gentoo's emerge >> triggering compiles to update the box is much smoother. >> >>

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Ed Tomlinson
Hi, I have had this in for about 24 hours. So far so good. I am running on IUP amd64 with 'voluntary kernel Preemption' enabled (preemptible kernels seem to lock up solid switching between 32 and 64 apps - no opps and nothing on the serial console...) The patch _does_ make a difference. For

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Ed Tomlinson wrote: > > The patch _does_ make a difference. For instance reading mail with freenet > working > hard (threaded java application) and gentoo's emerge triggering compiles to > update the > box is much smoother. > > Think this scheduler needs serious

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Con Kolivas
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 10:05, Bill Davidsen wrote: > jos poortvliet wrote: > > Well, imho his current staircase scheduler already does a better job > > compared to mainline, but it won't make it in (or at least, it's not > > likely). So we can hope this WILL make it into mainline, but I wouldn't

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 05 March 2007, Andrew Morton wrote: >On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:19:25 -0500 > >Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Andrew, please, get this one in ASAP, > >I'm presently nearly 1000 messages behind on my lkml reading. We'll get >there. > >> but promise me an -mm won't trash >> half

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
jos poortvliet wrote: Op Sunday 04 March 2007, schreef Willy Tarreau: Hi Con ! This was designed to be robust for any application since linux demands a general purpose scheduler design, while preserving interactivity, instead of optimising for one particular end use. Well, I haven't tested it

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Andrew Morton
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:19:25 -0500 Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew, please, get this one in ASAP, I'm presently nearly 1000 messages behind on my lkml reading. We'll get there. > but promise me an -mm won't trash > half my filesystems like one I tried 2-3 years ago did. I

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Con Kolivas
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 05:23, Al Boldi wrote: > Con Kolivas wrote: > > Gears just isn't an interactive task and just about anything but gears > > would be a better test case since its behaviour varies wildly under > > different combinations of graphics cards, memory bandwidth, cpu and so > > on.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Con Kolivas
On Sunday 04 March 2007 18:00, Con Kolivas wrote: > This message is to announce the first general public release of the > "Rotating Staircase DeadLine" cpu scheduler. > A full rollup of the patch for 2.6.20: > http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/staircase-deadline/sched-rsdl-0.26.patch This patch has

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Con Kolivas
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 05:29, Simon Arlott wrote: > On 04/03/07 22:27, Con Kolivas wrote: > > On Monday 05 March 2007 09:19, Simon Arlott wrote: > >> If I run glxgears, thunderbird/firefox become really slow to > >> respond/display and cpu usage isn't even at 100%. I had thunderbird > >> lagging

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 05 March 2007, Lee Revell wrote: >On 3/5/07, Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Monday 05 March 2007, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >This looks like -mm stuff if you want it in 2.6.22 >> >> This needs to get to 2.6.21, it really is that big an improvement. > >You can probably

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 05 March 2007, Paolo Ciarrocchi wrote: >On 3/5/07, Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Monday 05 March 2007, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >This looks like -mm stuff if you want it in 2.6.22 >> >> This needs to get to 2.6.21, it really is that big an improvement. > >On 3/5/07, Gene

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Simon Arlott
On 04/03/07 22:27, Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007 09:19, Simon Arlott wrote: If I run glxgears, thunderbird/firefox become really slow to respond/display and cpu usage isn't even at 100%. I had thunderbird lagging on keyboard character repeat earlier but can't reproduce that now

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Lee Revell
On 3/5/07, Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >This looks like -mm stuff if you want it in 2.6.22 This needs to get to 2.6.21, it really is that big an improvement. You can probably speed things up by regression testing against a wide range

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Paolo Ciarrocchi
On 3/5/07, Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >This looks like -mm stuff if you want it in 2.6.22 This needs to get to 2.6.21, it really is that big an improvement. On 3/5/07, Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 05 March

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 05 March 2007 22:59, Al Boldi wrote: > Markus Törnqvist wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 08:34:45AM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: > > >Ok, gears is smooth when you run "make -j4", but with "nice make -j4", > > > gears becomes bursty. This looks like a problem with nice-levels. In > > >

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Al Boldi
Markus Törnqvist wrote: > On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 08:34:45AM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: > >Ok, gears is smooth when you run "make -j4", but with "nice make -j4", > > gears becomes bursty. This looks like a problem with nice-levels. In > > general, looking subjectively at top d.1, procs appear to

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 5 mars 2007 10:53, Gene Heskett a écrit : > On Monday 05 March 2007, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >>This looks like -mm stuff if you want it in 2.6.22 > > This needs to get to 2.6.21, it really is that big an improvement. One can dream... I suspect Linus will disagree, especially if it never

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 05 March 2007, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >This looks like -mm stuff if you want it in 2.6.22 This needs to get to 2.6.21, it really is that big an improvement. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that

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