Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-10-01 Thread Guest section DW
On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:20:25 +0200, Igmar Palsenberg wrote (Subject: Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?) Let this thread die. Now. Unfortunately we have to detect a serious case of memory loss. On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:30:09 +0200, Igmar Palsenberg wrote: (Subject: Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-10-01 Thread Horst von Brand
Marc Lehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [...] I said that, say that, and it's still true, yes ;) It's also true with the majority of other distributions not cited so far: debian (which has the advantage of a reasonable package management), slackware, stampede and many others. What makes

Re: Standard Linux (Was What is up with Redhat 7.0?)

2000-09-30 Thread Gary Lawrence Murphy
There is no need for a law requiring a 'standard' kernel in any distro, and there is no chance people would follow any such rule. So long as people know their distro kernel is patched and, if they want to apply some 3rd party patch, we advise them they may want to obtain and install 'clean'

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Jamie Lokier
Bernhard Rosenkraenzer wrote: > > Which still makes it an broken, experimental, unreleased and unofficial > > compiler, with all the consequences I said. > > I agree about the "unreleased and unofficial" part, but it's not quite > that broken and experimental. Everything that is shipped with Red

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Chris Faylor
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marc Lehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Taken on it's own, redhat never did anything which is not "politically >correct" or "was just a bug that has been fixed". However, that redhat >claims to maintain linux, gcc and other major projects (which is >absolutely

Re: Standard Linux (Was What is up with Redhat 7.0?)

2000-09-30 Thread Jesse Pollard
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Michael Peddemors wrote: >On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Marc Lehmann wrote: > >> However, I think attacking other free softwrae projects because of *bugs* >> is just childish at this point - after all, this discussion was about >> supporting distributions that - without technical

Re: Standard Linux (Was What is up with Redhat 7.0?)

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
> 'Standard Linux' > Should the core kernel define a standard Linux?? To an extent. I will tell you the rules I try to follow for 2.2.x o Never add an ABI that is not standardised in 2.3.x by Linus o If drivers/ioctl interfaces are added to 2.2 first I try to be very

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?t

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 10:57:57PM +0100, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > they were involved, but I have reason to doubt that they actually agreed. > > They did. O.k. let's disagree ;) > > This really is an affront on your side, twisting reality quite a bit - the > I noticed you

Re: Standard Linux (Was What is up with Redhat 7.0?)

2000-09-30 Thread Alexander Viro
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Michael Peddemors wrote: > ie should we say that ALL distros have to ship with, and be compatible with the > standard kernel? If a distro has a patch that they want in the kernel, and the > mainstream kernel doesn't feel it belongs, should it be labeled differently? > Do

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?t

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
> > Various people I associate with being senior in both glibc and gcc (people > > like Ulrich Drepper and Jeff Law) were involved in the compiler and glibc > > they were involved, but I have reason to doubt that they actually agreed. They did. > > to the temporary ABI in 2.95 first -

Re: Standard Linux (Was What is up with Redhat 7.0?)

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 02:39:00PM -0700, Michael Peddemors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That RedHat Thread was degrading into a name calling match... And a pile of misunderstandings as well. > ie should we say that ALL distros have to ship with, and be compatible with the > standard kernel?

Re: Standard Linux (Was What is up with Redhat 7.0?)

2000-09-30 Thread Michael Peddemors
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Marc Lehmann wrote: > However, I think attacking other free softwrae projects because of *bugs* > is just childish at this point - after all, this discussion was about > supporting distributions that - without technical reasons - make their > products incompatible to what

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 01:20:58PM -0700, Ulrich Drepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you say so However, I am not sure that you (we?) can actually > > control it. > > You are excused this one and only time since I am fortunate enough to > never have met you but listen carefully now:

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Ulrich Drepper
I really didn't want to make a comment on this stupid thread but now you are getting personal: > > > OTOH, [EMAIL PROTECTED] might get pressed into not doing incompatible > > > changes, > > > > We're doing no such thing. > > If you say so However, I am not sure that you (we?) can actually

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 09:28:18PM +0200, Bernhard Rosenkraenzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OTOH, [EMAIL PROTECTED] might get pressed into not doing incompatible > > changes, > > We're doing no such thing. If you say so However, I am not sure that you (we?) can actually control it. >

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?t

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 08:08:40PM +0100, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > for Caldera, Transmeta, SuSE and others I expect. So I dont think you can > work on the basis they have any influence over me. The logic is not quite right, but tt's definitely another story indeed. > > the largest

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Marc Lehmann wrote: > OTOH, [EMAIL PROTECTED] might get pressed into not doing incompatible > changes, We're doing no such thing. If we did this sort of thing, he would have been pressed into releasing glibc 2.2 in time. [EMAIL PROTECTED] did have some influence on choosing

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Alec Smith wrote: > Congratulations, you got further than I did. I couldn't even get that > disaster known as RH7.0 to even install. It died with some error about not > being able to detect free disk space after formatting the paritions... Please report this at

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, David M. Rector wrote: > Has anyone tried Redhat 7.0 yet? Sure... > What a mess. Not quite... > 1) It would not compile stock kernels out of the box. (ends at > compress.S) with a fatal error. Either use the kernel compiler (kgcc) or patch the file to be compatible with

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?t

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
> After all, even if you do work for redhat, the way redhat actively damages I work for Red Hat. I can pick up the phone any day of the week and work for Caldera, Transmeta, SuSE and others I expect. So I dont think you can work on the basis they have any influence over me. > same) and free

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Marc Lehmann wrote: > Which still makes it an broken, experimental, unreleased and unofficial > compiler, with all the consequences I said. I agree about the "unreleased and unofficial" part, but it's not quite that broken and experimental. Everything that is shipped with

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 07:30:50PM +0100, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > pgcc just didnt work. I got to the point where the kernel list stuff I had > actually had pgcc filtered. Because it was kernel crash pgcc this, kernel > wont compile pgcc that. Well, I grant that supporting pgcc is

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
> pgcc never was incompatible at binary level to gcc/egcs. pgcc just didnt work. I got to the point where the kernel list stuff I had actually had pgcc filtered. Because it was kernel crash pgcc this, kernel wont compile pgcc that. > That's simply a fact that you can't discuss away by

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Stefan Traby
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 04:26:38PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > > They released a supported ex-Cygnus people approved compiler. > > > > Which still makes it an broken, experimental, unreleased and unofficial > > compiler, with all the consequences I said. > > And didnt you write something called

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 04:26:38PM +0100, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Which still makes it an broken, experimental, unreleased and unofficial > > compiler, with all the consequences I said. > > And didnt you write something called pgcc once. Oh yes, of course while providing full

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
> > They released a supported ex-Cygnus people approved compiler. > > Which still makes it an broken, experimental, unreleased and unofficial > compiler, with all the consequences I said. And didnt you write something called pgcc once. *PLONK* Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 03:58:20PM +0100, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > a broken, experimental, unreleased compiler as if it were an official > > version. Worse, creating a maintainance nightmare for almost everybody by > > They released a supported ex-Cygnus people approved compiler.

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
> projects because they receive bogus bug reports because redhat shipped > a broken, experimental, unreleased compiler as if it were an official > version. Worse, creating a maintainance nightmare for almost everybody by They released a supported ex-Cygnus people approved compiler. Its not the

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 03:07:49PM +0100, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you don't like this, I suggest you send mail complaining to RedHat. > > Customer complaints are going to be the only way that RH is going to be > > influenced not to play games like this > > Remind me next

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
> to spot it, and ditto with any others who do the same. If everyone could have > agreed a name for the kernel compiler that would be even better. Sorry, I was probably unclear as I wasn't about the name of the compiler, nor the neccissity of using an outdated gcc version for kernel compiles. >

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
> administered by clueless WinNT-type operators, so Debian was out), and RH7 > refuses to compile 2.2.17 or 2.4.0-test9-pre7. "Aha!" thinks Daniel, "I'll Actually it compiles both but I suspect you didnt RTFM ;). Use kgcc so you get egcs building the kernel. Alan - To unsubscribe from this

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
> If you don't like this, I suggest you send mail complaining to RedHat. > Customer complaints are going to be the only way that RH is going to be > influenced not to play games like this Remind me next time I get to deal with crap from VA customers because VA shipped unusable NFS patches

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 12:37:39AM +0100, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > knows about both kgcc and gcc272 (RH and Debian) automatically thanks to > > Do you really think that explicitly supporting broken distributions > (redhat 7.0 comes with a experimental snapshot of gcc which is

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread David Riley
Michael Meding wrote: > > Hi there, > > you have of course used kgcc for the compile job ? 2.96 maybe is chewing > the kernel source a little bit too well. I dunno about all this... The stock gcc 2.96 works great for everything on my box... It compiles and runs 2.4.0-test7 really well. I'm

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread braun
Marc Lehmann wrote: > > > regard. Hopefully ISV's will be able to figure out for themselves that > > it would be a Bad Idea to develop applications under RH 7.0, since it > > Sounds like a parallel world :( > > > If you don't like this, I suggest you send mail complaining to RedHat. > >

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 01:37:56AM -0400, "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's not just gcc which RedHat did this to. They do this regularly with They did this in the past with glibc and perl, for example, leading to really "interesting" portability problems. I always thought

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread jeff millar
Sound like "Embrace and Extend" with a different flavor, similar effect. jeff - Original Message - From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Marc Lehmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 30,

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread jeff millar
Sound like "Embrace and Extend" with a different flavor, similar effect. jeff - Original Message - From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Marc Lehmann" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 1:37 AM Subject:

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 01:37:56AM -0400, "Theodore Y. Ts'o" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not just gcc which RedHat did this to. They do this regularly with They did this in the past with glibc and perl, for example, leading to really "interesting" portability problems. I always thought these

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread braun
Marc Lehmann wrote: regard. Hopefully ISV's will be able to figure out for themselves that it would be a Bad Idea to develop applications under RH 7.0, since it Sounds like a parallel world :( If you don't like this, I suggest you send mail complaining to RedHat. Customer

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread David Riley
Michael Meding wrote: Hi there, you have of course used kgcc for the compile job ? 2.96 maybe is chewing the kernel source a little bit too well. I dunno about all this... The stock gcc 2.96 works great for everything on my box... It compiles and runs 2.4.0-test7 really well. I'm not

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 12:37:39AM +0100, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: knows about both kgcc and gcc272 (RH and Debian) automatically thanks to Do you really think that explicitly supporting broken distributions (redhat 7.0 comes with a experimental snapshot of gcc which is neither

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
If you don't like this, I suggest you send mail complaining to RedHat. Customer complaints are going to be the only way that RH is going to be influenced not to play games like this Remind me next time I get to deal with crap from VA customers because VA shipped unusable NFS patches and

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
to spot it, and ditto with any others who do the same. If everyone could have agreed a name for the kernel compiler that would be even better. Sorry, I was probably unclear as I wasn't about the name of the compiler, nor the neccissity of using an outdated gcc version for kernel compiles. As

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
administered by clueless WinNT-type operators, so Debian was out), and RH7 refuses to compile 2.2.17 or 2.4.0-test9-pre7. "Aha!" thinks Daniel, "I'll Actually it compiles both but I suspect you didnt RTFM ;). Use kgcc so you get egcs building the kernel. Alan - To unsubscribe from this

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 03:07:49PM +0100, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't like this, I suggest you send mail complaining to RedHat. Customer complaints are going to be the only way that RH is going to be influenced not to play games like this Remind me next time I get

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
projects because they receive bogus bug reports because redhat shipped a broken, experimental, unreleased compiler as if it were an official version. Worse, creating a maintainance nightmare for almost everybody by They released a supported ex-Cygnus people approved compiler. Its not the

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 03:58:20PM +0100, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a broken, experimental, unreleased compiler as if it were an official version. Worse, creating a maintainance nightmare for almost everybody by They released a supported ex-Cygnus people approved compiler. Which

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
They released a supported ex-Cygnus people approved compiler. Which still makes it an broken, experimental, unreleased and unofficial compiler, with all the consequences I said. And didnt you write something called pgcc once. *PLONK* Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 04:26:38PM +0100, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which still makes it an broken, experimental, unreleased and unofficial compiler, with all the consequences I said. And didnt you write something called pgcc once. Oh yes, of course while providing full binary

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Stefan Traby
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 04:26:38PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: They released a supported ex-Cygnus people approved compiler. Which still makes it an broken, experimental, unreleased and unofficial compiler, with all the consequences I said. And didnt you write something called pgcc once.

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
pgcc never was incompatible at binary level to gcc/egcs. pgcc just didnt work. I got to the point where the kernel list stuff I had actually had pgcc filtered. Because it was kernel crash pgcc this, kernel wont compile pgcc that. That's simply a fact that you can't discuss away by attacking

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 07:30:50PM +0100, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pgcc just didnt work. I got to the point where the kernel list stuff I had actually had pgcc filtered. Because it was kernel crash pgcc this, kernel wont compile pgcc that. Well, I grant that supporting pgcc is not

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?t

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
After all, even if you do work for redhat, the way redhat actively damages I work for Red Hat. I can pick up the phone any day of the week and work for Caldera, Transmeta, SuSE and others I expect. So I dont think you can work on the basis they have any influence over me. same) and free

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, David M. Rector wrote: Has anyone tried Redhat 7.0 yet? Sure... What a mess. Not quite... 1) It would not compile stock kernels out of the box. (ends at compress.S) with a fatal error. Either use the kernel compiler (kgcc) or patch the file to be compatible with

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Alec Smith wrote: Congratulations, you got further than I did. I couldn't even get that disaster known as RH7.0 to even install. It died with some error about not being able to detect free disk space after formatting the paritions... Please report this at

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?t

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 08:08:40PM +0100, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for Caldera, Transmeta, SuSE and others I expect. So I dont think you can work on the basis they have any influence over me. The logic is not quite right, but tt's definitely another story indeed. the largest one,

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 09:28:18PM +0200, Bernhard Rosenkraenzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, [EMAIL PROTECTED] might get pressed into not doing incompatible changes, We're doing no such thing. If you say so However, I am not sure that you (we?) can actually control it. If we did

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Ulrich Drepper
I really didn't want to make a comment on this stupid thread but now you are getting personal: OTOH, [EMAIL PROTECTED] might get pressed into not doing incompatible changes, We're doing no such thing. If you say so However, I am not sure that you (we?) can actually control it.

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 01:20:58PM -0700, Ulrich Drepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you say so However, I am not sure that you (we?) can actually control it. You are excused this one and only time since I am fortunate enough to never have met you but listen carefully now: And you

Re: Standard Linux (Was What is up with Redhat 7.0?)

2000-09-30 Thread Michael Peddemors
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Marc Lehmann wrote: However, I think attacking other free softwrae projects because of *bugs* is just childish at this point - after all, this discussion was about supporting distributions that - without technical reasons - make their products incompatible to what one

Re: Standard Linux (Was What is up with Redhat 7.0?)

2000-09-30 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 02:39:00PM -0700, Michael Peddemors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That RedHat Thread was degrading into a name calling match... And a pile of misunderstandings as well. ie should we say that ALL distros have to ship with, and be compatible with the standard kernel?

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?t

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
Various people I associate with being senior in both glibc and gcc (people like Ulrich Drepper and Jeff Law) were involved in the compiler and glibc they were involved, but I have reason to doubt that they actually agreed. They did. to the temporary ABI in 2.95 first - whomever that

Re: Standard Linux (Was What is up with Redhat 7.0?)

2000-09-30 Thread Alexander Viro
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Michael Peddemors wrote: ie should we say that ALL distros have to ship with, and be compatible with the standard kernel? If a distro has a patch that they want in the kernel, and the mainstream kernel doesn't feel it belongs, should it be labeled differently? Do we

Re: Standard Linux (Was What is up with Redhat 7.0?)

2000-09-30 Thread Alan Cox
'Standard Linux' Should the core kernel define a standard Linux?? To an extent. I will tell you the rules I try to follow for 2.2.x o Never add an ABI that is not standardised in 2.3.x by Linus o If drivers/ioctl interfaces are added to 2.2 first I try to be very fussy

Re: Standard Linux (Was What is up with Redhat 7.0?)

2000-09-30 Thread Jesse Pollard
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Michael Peddemors wrote: On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Marc Lehmann wrote: However, I think attacking other free softwrae projects because of *bugs* is just childish at this point - after all, this discussion was about supporting distributions that - without technical reasons -

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Chris Faylor
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marc Lehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken on it's own, redhat never did anything which is not "politically correct" or "was just a bug that has been fixed". However, that redhat claims to maintain linux, gcc and other major projects (which is absolutely untrue) is

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-30 Thread Jamie Lokier
Bernhard Rosenkraenzer wrote: Which still makes it an broken, experimental, unreleased and unofficial compiler, with all the consequences I said. I agree about the "unreleased and unofficial" part, but it's not quite that broken and experimental. Everything that is shipped with Red Hat

Re: Standard Linux (Was What is up with Redhat 7.0?)

2000-09-30 Thread Gary Lawrence Murphy
There is no need for a law requiring a 'standard' kernel in any distro, and there is no chance people would follow any such rule. So long as people know their distro kernel is patched and, if they want to apply some 3rd party patch, we advise them they may want to obtain and install 'clean'

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Theodore Y. Ts'o
Date:Sat, 30 Sep 2000 04:10:59 +0200 From: Marc Lehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Do you really think that explicitly supporting broken distributions (redhat 7.0 comes with a experimental snapshot of gcc which is neither binary compatible to 2.95 nor to 3.0, cutting binary

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Daniel Stone
OK, but I can't leave without pointing out that having gcc 2.96 breaks compiling gcc 2.95.2. I've got Debian for my main machine and RH7 the other machine on my desk as well as a couple of other test boxen (have to be administered by clueless WinNT-type operators, so Debian was out), and RH7

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Chris Kloiber
Alec Smith wrote: > > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:58:22 -0400 (EDT) > From: Alec Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: David M. Rector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0? > > Congratulations, you got further than I did. I couldn't even g

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 12:37:39AM +0100, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > knows about both kgcc and gcc272 (RH and Debian) automatically thanks to Do you really think that explicitly supporting broken distributions (redhat 7.0 comes with a experimental snapshot of gcc which is neither

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Horst von Brand
Please, do *not* start a flamewar about "my distribution is larger/better/more stable/kinder to animals/whatever than yours" here! -- Horst von Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Casilla 9G, Vin~a del Mar, Chile +56 32 672616 - To unsubscribe from

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Alan Cox
> you have of course used kgcc for the compile job ? 2.96 maybe is chewing > the kernel source a little bit too well. > > Did you edit the makefiles to use kgcc instead of gcc ? 2.2.18pre12 (coming to a kernel archive near you in 2 or 3 minutes) now knows about both kgcc and gcc272 (RH and

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Michael Meding
Hi there, you have of course used kgcc for the compile job ? 2.96 maybe is chewing the kernel source a little bit too well. Did you edit the makefiles to use kgcc instead of gcc ? Greetings Michael - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Richard B. Johnson
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, David M. Rector wrote: > > Has anyone tried Redhat 7.0 yet? What a mess. > > 1) It would not compile stock kernels out of the box. (ends at > compress.S) with a fatal error. > > 2) Trying to compile the kernel source for 2.2.16 that comes with the > redhat disk (which is

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Kris Karas
Alec Smith wrote: > I'll stick to Debian -- It might be a bit outdated at times, but Debian > "just works." Maybe RedHat could take some hints from the Debian guys. Or Slackware, which is clean, simple, eminently hackable, and most importantly of all, does not make patches to programs that

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Stephen E. Clark
Maybe this thread should be on the redhat list not the kernel list. Alec Smith wrote: > > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:58:22 -0400 (EDT) > From: Alec Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: David M. Rector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0? > >

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Alec Smith
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alec Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: David M. Rector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0? Congratulations, you got further than I did. I couldn't even get that disaster known as RH7.0 to even install. It died wit

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Alan Cox
> Has anyone tried Redhat 7.0 yet? What a mess. > > 1) It would not compile stock kernels out of the box. (ends at > compress.S) with a fatal error. Use the right compiler > 2) Trying to compile the kernel source for 2.2.16 that comes with the > redhat disk (which is very different than the

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Richard Torkar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, David M. Rector wrote: > > Has anyone tried Redhat 7.0 yet? What a mess. > > 1) It would not compile stock kernels out of the box. (ends at > compress.S) with a fatal error. Unable to reproduce. > 2) Trying to compile the

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Horst von Brand
"David M. Rector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Has anyone tried Redhat 7.0 yet? What a mess. I'm running 6.9.5 at home (7.0 beta) > 1) It would not compile stock kernels out of the box. (ends at > compress.S) with a fatal error. Use kgcc, not gcc. Works fine, I'm running 2.2.18pre11 at home,

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Seth Mos
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, David M. Rector wrote: > > Has anyone tried Redhat 7.0 yet? What a mess. No it's nor ;-) > 1) It would not compile stock kernels out of the box. (ends at > compress.S) with a fatal error. Install the kgcc from the first CD. That one works much better and edit the top

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
I got a copy from Bob Young at the Red Hat booth at N+I, and the GNOME stuff is tons better than 6.X RedHat, however, the upgrade feature trashed our Red Hat server, and there seems to be some problems with sendmail as well. I will have Larry send to Alan. The GNOME desktop with 7.0 is sexy

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
I got a copy from Bob Young at the Red Hat booth at N+I, and the GNOME stuff is tons better than 6.X RedHat, however, the upgrade feature trashed our Red Hat server, and there seems to be some problems with sendmail as well. I will have Larry send to Alan. The GNOME desktop with 7.0 is sexy

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Seth Mos
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, David M. Rector wrote: Has anyone tried Redhat 7.0 yet? What a mess. No it's nor ;-) 1) It would not compile stock kernels out of the box. (ends at compress.S) with a fatal error. Install the kgcc from the first CD. That one works much better and edit the top

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Horst von Brand
"David M. Rector" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Has anyone tried Redhat 7.0 yet? What a mess. I'm running 6.9.5 at home (7.0 beta) 1) It would not compile stock kernels out of the box. (ends at compress.S) with a fatal error. Use kgcc, not gcc. Works fine, I'm running 2.2.18pre11 at home, and

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Richard Torkar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, David M. Rector wrote: Has anyone tried Redhat 7.0 yet? What a mess. 1) It would not compile stock kernels out of the box. (ends at compress.S) with a fatal error. Unable to reproduce. 2) Trying to compile the kernel

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Alan Cox
Has anyone tried Redhat 7.0 yet? What a mess. 1) It would not compile stock kernels out of the box. (ends at compress.S) with a fatal error. Use the right compiler 2) Trying to compile the kernel source for 2.2.16 that comes with the redhat disk (which is very different than the stock

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Alec Smith
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alec Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David M. Rector [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0? Congratulations, you got further than I did. I couldn't even get that disaster known as RH7.0 to even install. It died with some error

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Stephen E. Clark
Maybe this thread should be on the redhat list not the kernel list. Alec Smith wrote: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alec Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David M. Rector [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0? Congratulations, you got further than I did

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Kris Karas
Alec Smith wrote: I'll stick to Debian -- It might be a bit outdated at times, but Debian "just works." Maybe RedHat could take some hints from the Debian guys. Or Slackware, which is clean, simple, eminently hackable, and most importantly of all, does not make patches to programs that

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Richard B. Johnson
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, David M. Rector wrote: Has anyone tried Redhat 7.0 yet? What a mess. 1) It would not compile stock kernels out of the box. (ends at compress.S) with a fatal error. 2) Trying to compile the kernel source for 2.2.16 that comes with the redhat disk (which is very

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Michael Meding
Hi there, you have of course used kgcc for the compile job ? 2.96 maybe is chewing the kernel source a little bit too well. Did you edit the makefiles to use kgcc instead of gcc ? Greetings Michael - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Alan Cox
you have of course used kgcc for the compile job ? 2.96 maybe is chewing the kernel source a little bit too well. Did you edit the makefiles to use kgcc instead of gcc ? 2.2.18pre12 (coming to a kernel archive near you in 2 or 3 minutes) now knows about both kgcc and gcc272 (RH and Debian)

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Horst von Brand
Please, do *not* start a flamewar about "my distribution is larger/better/more stable/kinder to animals/whatever than yours" here! -- Horst von Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Casilla 9G, Vin~a del Mar, Chile +56 32 672616 - To unsubscribe from

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 12:37:39AM +0100, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: knows about both kgcc and gcc272 (RH and Debian) automatically thanks to Do you really think that explicitly supporting broken distributions (redhat 7.0 comes with a experimental snapshot of gcc which is neither binary

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Daniel Stone
OK, but I can't leave without pointing out that having gcc 2.96 breaks compiling gcc 2.95.2. I've got Debian for my main machine and RH7 the other machine on my desk as well as a couple of other test boxen (have to be administered by clueless WinNT-type operators, so Debian was out), and RH7

Re: What is up with Redhat 7.0?

2000-09-29 Thread Theodore Y. Ts'o
Date:Sat, 30 Sep 2000 04:10:59 +0200 From: Marc Lehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you really think that explicitly supporting broken distributions (redhat 7.0 comes with a experimental snapshot of gcc which is neither binary compatible to 2.95 nor to 3.0, cutting binary

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