On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 06:02:26PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote:
> >As a free software user and developer, the question I have is how come
> >the Linux community feels that they can take the BSD code that was
> >reverse-engineered at OpenBSD, and put a more restrictive licence onto
> >it, such that there
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 06:36:36PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> When companies have taken our wireless device drivers, many many of
> them have given changes and fixes back. Some maybe didn't, but that
> is OK.
>
> When Linux took our changes back, they immediately locked the door
> against
On Sep 1, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
OK, I begin to understand this, there seem to be three different types
of files changed by Jiri's patch:
1. dual licenced files planned to make GPL-only
2. previously dual licenced files with a too recent version used
planned
to make GPL-only
On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 07:29:39PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 05:27:03PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > > > On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk
When companies have taken our wireless device drivers, many many of
them have given changes and fixes back. Some maybe didn't, but that
is OK.
When Linux took our changes back, they immediately locked the door
against changes moving back, by putting a GPL license on guard.
Why does our brother
On 01/09/07, Luis R. Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I urge developers to not bait into this and just leave this alone.
> Those involved know what they are doing and have a strong team of
> attorneys watching their backs. Any *necessary* discussions are be
> done privately.
Err...
I don't
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 07:29:39PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 05:27:03PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > > On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at
>As a free software user and developer, the question I have is how come
>the Linux community feels that they can take the BSD code that was
>reverse-engineered at OpenBSD, and put a more restrictive licence onto
>it, such that there will be no possibility of the changes going back
>to OpenBSD,
I urge developers to not bait into this and just leave this alone.
Those involved know what they are doing and have a strong team of
attorneys watching their backs. Any *necessary* discussions are be
done privately.
Luis
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On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 05:27:03PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > > > On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 03:03:36PM -0700, Sam Leffler wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> This will
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 05:51:49PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 10:54:57PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > > > On 01/09/07, Jeff
Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code licensing.
What myth? The myth
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 05:27:03PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > > On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 10:54:57PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > > On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > > > >
On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > > > This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code
> > > >
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 10:54:57PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > > > This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 09:30:52PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> If OpenBSD wants a world where code must be returned
OpenBSD does not want this.
OpenBSD wants a world where people do things because they are the
right thing to do.
OpenBSD lets you decide; it doesn't dictate.
someone poo-poos your
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > > This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code licensing.
> >
> > What myth? The myth that Theo understands dual
> It is illegal to modify a license unless you are the owner/author,
> because it is a legal document. If there are multiple owners/authors,
Oh dear - Theo, go talk to a lawyer, or do a course on licencing.
The owner generally starts with the rights to control who performs acts
covered by
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
> > This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code licensing.
>
> What myth? The myth that Theo understands dual licensing?
Reyk's code was never dual licensed, so it's not like it even matters
to
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code licensing.
What myth? The myth that Theo understands dual licensing?
Jeff
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This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code licensing.
C.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 31-Aug-2007 21:40
Subject: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[bcc'd to Eben Mogle
This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code licensing.
C.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 31-Aug-2007 21:40
Subject: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[bcc'd to Eben Moglen so that people don't
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code licensing.
What myth? The myth that Theo understands dual licensing?
Jeff
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On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code licensing.
What myth? The myth that Theo understands dual licensing?
Reyk's code was never dual licensed, so it's not like it even matters
to the
It is illegal to modify a license unless you are the owner/author,
because it is a legal document. If there are multiple owners/authors,
Oh dear - Theo, go talk to a lawyer, or do a course on licencing.
The owner generally starts with the rights to control who performs acts
covered by
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code licensing.
What myth? The myth that Theo understands dual licensing?
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 09:30:52PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
If OpenBSD wants a world where code must be returned
OpenBSD does not want this.
OpenBSD wants a world where people do things because they are the
right thing to do.
OpenBSD lets you decide; it doesn't dictate.
someone poo-poos your
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 10:54:57PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code
On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code
licensing.
On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 10:54:57PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
This will hopefully
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 05:27:03PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
This will
Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code licensing.
What myth? The myth
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 05:51:49PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 10:54:57PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 03:03:36PM -0700, Sam Leffler wrote:
Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
This will hopefully help diminish certain
On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 05:27:03PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I urge developers to not bait into this and just leave this alone.
Those involved know what they are doing and have a strong team of
attorneys watching their backs. Any *necessary* discussions are be
done privately.
Luis
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As a free software user and developer, the question I have is how come
the Linux community feels that they can take the BSD code that was
reverse-engineered at OpenBSD, and put a more restrictive licence onto
it, such that there will be no possibility of the changes going back
to OpenBSD, given
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 07:29:39PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 05:27:03PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400,
On 01/09/07, Luis R. Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I urge developers to not bait into this and just leave this alone.
Those involved know what they are doing and have a strong team of
attorneys watching their backs. Any *necessary* discussions are be
done privately.
Err...
I don't
When companies have taken our wireless device drivers, many many of
them have given changes and fixes back. Some maybe didn't, but that
is OK.
When Linux took our changes back, they immediately locked the door
against changes moving back, by putting a GPL license on guard.
Why does our brother
On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 07:29:39PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 05:27:03PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sep 1, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
OK, I begin to understand this, there seem to be three different types
of files changed by Jiri's patch:
1. dual licenced files planned to make GPL-only
2. previously dual licenced files with a too recent version used
planned
to make GPL-only
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 06:36:36PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
When companies have taken our wireless device drivers, many many of
them have given changes and fixes back. Some maybe didn't, but that
is OK.
When Linux took our changes back, they immediately locked the door
against changes
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 06:02:26PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote:
As a free software user and developer, the question I have is how come
the Linux community feels that they can take the BSD code that was
reverse-engineered at OpenBSD, and put a more restrictive licence onto
it, such that there will be
Jason Dixon wrote:
Once the grantor (Reyk) releases his code under that license, it must
remain. You are free to derive work and redistribute under your
license, but the original copyright and license permission remains
intact. Many other entities (Microsoft, Apple, Sun, etc) have used BSD
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jason Dixon wrote:
Once the grantor (Reyk) releases his code under that license, it must
remain. You are free to derive work and redistribute under your
license, but the original copyright and license permission remains
intact. Many
On 9/1/07, Constantine A. Murenin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jason Dixon wrote:
Once the grantor (Reyk) releases his code under that license, it must
remain. You are free to derive work and redistribute under your
license, but the
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jason Dixon wrote:
Once the grantor (Reyk) releases his code under that license, it must
remain. You are free to derive work and redistribute under your
license, but the original copyright and license permission
On 01/09/07, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When companies have taken our wireless device drivers, many many of
them have given changes and fixes back. Some maybe didn't, but that
is OK.
When Linux took our changes back, they immediately locked the door
against changes moving back,
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 09:42:54PM -0400, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
We asked SFLC to work with us to make sure that everyone's copyrights
were respected in the right places, and that the licenses various developers
wanted for their copyrights were implemented correctly. The patch I sent
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 08:36:24PM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote:
On Sep 1, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
OK, I begin to understand this, there seem to be three different types
of files changed by Jiri's patch:
1. dual licenced files planned to make GPL-only
2. previously dual licenced
Suppose you saw some other variant of *nix that had some code you wanted
to use, but there was a gaping security hole in it. Wouldn't you patch
it before you incorporated it? and would it be your fault if this fix
made the code not work with the original?
We took the code and fixed a gaping
Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
Indeed, it's upsetting that people like Luis Rodriguez push for the
lawyers to be involved to (fight?) an open source project. Why, may I
ask?
Is it not self-evident? Legal review is the sane course of action, when
legal issues are the bone of contention.
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 09:58:26PM -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote:
Suppose you saw some other variant of *nix that had some code you wanted
to use, but there was a gaping security hole in it. Wouldn't you patch
it before you incorporated it? and would it be your fault if this fix
made the code
On Sep 1, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote:
Suppose you saw some other variant of *nix that had some code you
wanted to use, but there was a gaping security hole in it. Wouldn't
you patch it before you incorporated it? and would it be your fault
if this fix made the code not work with
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 08:36:24PM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote:
On Sep 1, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
OK, I begin to understand this, there seem to be three different types
of files changed by Jiri's patch:
1. dual licenced files planned to make GPL-only
2. previously dual licenced
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 03:55:37 +0200, Adrian Bunk said:
Jiri's patch would have wrongly not only removed the BSD statement from
dual licenced files but also from not dual licenced files.
This was a mistake in this patch (that was never merged into the tree)
neither Jiri nor Alan noticed.
On 01/09/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 03:55:37 +0200, Adrian Bunk said:
Jiri's patch would have wrongly not only removed the BSD statement from
dual licenced files but also from not dual licenced files.
This was a mistake in this patch (that was
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:09:18 EDT, Constantine A. Murenin said:
The idea here is that no patching was needed in the first place --
most of the files are/were BSD-licensed, because they were forked from
OpenBSD.
Oh, silly me. For some reason, I had it in my head that Jiri's original
patch
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