Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-19 Thread Helge Hafting
Antonio Vargas wrote: IIRC, about 2 or three years ago (or maybe on the 2.6.10 timeframe), there was a patch which managed to pass the interactive from one app to another when there was a pipe or udp connection between them. This meant that a marked-as-interactive xterm would, when blocked

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-19 Thread Helge Hafting
Antonio Vargas wrote: IIRC, about 2 or three years ago (or maybe on the 2.6.10 timeframe), there was a patch which managed to pass the interactive from one app to another when there was a pipe or udp connection between them. This meant that a marked-as-interactive xterm would, when blocked

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-18 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Sunday 18 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: > On Monday 12 March 2007 22:26, Al Boldi wrote: > > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: > > > > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > > On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > > > And thank you! I think I

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-18 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Sunday 18 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: On Monday 12 March 2007 22:26, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-17 Thread Bill Davidsen
David Lang wrote: On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Al Boldi wrote: My preferred sphere of operation is the Manichean domain of faster vs. slower, functionality vs. non-functionality, and the like. For me, such design concerns are like the need for a kernel to format pagetables so the x86 MMU decodes what

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-17 Thread Bill Davidsen
Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 22:26, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is followed by

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-17 Thread Bill Davidsen
Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 22:26, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is followed by

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-17 Thread Bill Davidsen
David Lang wrote: On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Al Boldi wrote: My preferred sphere of operation is the Manichean domain of faster vs. slower, functionality vs. non-functionality, and the like. For me, such design concerns are like the need for a kernel to format pagetables so the x86 MMU decodes what

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Antonio Vargas
On 3/12/07, jos poortvliet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: > On Tuesday 13 March 2007 01:14, Al Boldi wrote: > > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > > The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority > > > > > one runs 6-7ms and then one larger

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: > On Tuesday 13 March 2007 01:14, Al Boldi wrote: > > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > > The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority > > > > > one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration > > > > > amount. Basically

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Con Kolivas
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 01:14, Al Boldi wrote: > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority > > > > one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount. > > > > Basically exactly as I'd expect. The higher priority task gets > >

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Al Boldi
jos poortvliet wrote: > > It only takes one negatively nice'd proc to affect X adversely. > > Then, maybe, we should start nicing X again, like we did/had to do until a > few years ago? Or should we just wait until X gets fixed (after all, > development goes faster than ever)? Or is this really

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread michael chang
On 3/12/07, jos poortvliet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Al Boldi: > > It only takes one negatively nice'd proc to affect X adversely. goes faster than ever)? Or is this really the scheduler's fault? Take this with a grain of salt, but, I don't think this is the

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Al Boldi: > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority > > > > one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount. > > > > Basically exactly as I'd expect. The higher priority task gets > > > >

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Al Boldi
Con Kolivas wrote: > > > The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority > > > one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount. > > > Basically exactly as I'd expect. The higher priority task gets > > > precisely RR_INTERVAL maximum latency whereas the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 22:26, Al Boldi wrote: > Con Kolivas wrote: > > On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: > > > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > > And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each > > > > > rotation is

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Al Boldi
Con Kolivas wrote: > On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: > > Con Kolivas wrote: > > > On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: > > > > And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each > > > > rotation is followed by another rotation before the higher priority > >

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Al Boldi
Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is followed by another rotation before the higher priority task is

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 22:26, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is followed by another

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Al Boldi
Con Kolivas wrote: The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount. Basically exactly as I'd expect. The higher priority task gets precisely RR_INTERVAL maximum latency whereas the lower priority

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Al Boldi: Con Kolivas wrote: The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount. Basically exactly as I'd expect. The higher priority task gets precisely

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread michael chang
On 3/12/07, jos poortvliet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Al Boldi: It only takes one negatively nice'd proc to affect X adversely. goes faster than ever)? Or is this really the scheduler's fault? Take this with a grain of salt, but, I don't think this is the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Al Boldi
jos poortvliet wrote: It only takes one negatively nice'd proc to affect X adversely. Then, maybe, we should start nicing X again, like we did/had to do until a few years ago? Or should we just wait until X gets fixed (after all, development goes faster than ever)? Or is this really the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Con Kolivas
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 01:14, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount. Basically exactly as I'd expect. The higher priority task gets precisely

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 01:14, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound expiration amount. Basically exactly as I'd

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-12 Thread Antonio Vargas
On 3/12/07, jos poortvliet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Monday 12 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 01:14, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: The higher priority one always get 6-7ms whereas the lower priority one runs 6-7ms and then one larger perfectly bound

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: > Con Kolivas wrote: > > On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: > > > And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each > > > rotation is followed by another rotation before the higher priority > > > task is getting a look in

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Al Boldi
Con Kolivas wrote: > On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: > > And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation > > is followed by another rotation before the higher priority task is > > getting a look in in schedule() to even get quota and add it to the > >

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 09:29, bert hubert wrote: > Con, > > Recent kernel versions have real problems for me on the interactivity > front, with even a simple 'make' of my C++ program (PowerDNS) causing > Firefox to slow down to a crawl. > > RSDL fixed all that, the system is noticeably snappier.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread bert hubert
Con, Recent kernel versions have real problems for me on the interactivity front, with even a simple 'make' of my C++ program (PowerDNS) causing Firefox to slow down to a crawl. RSDL fixed all that, the system is noticeably snappier. As a case in point, I used to notice when a compile was done

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: > And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is > followed by another rotation before the higher priority task is getting a > look in in schedule() to even get quota and add it to the runqueue quota. > I'll try a

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 05:11, Al Boldi wrote: > Al Boldi wrote: > > BTW, another way to show these hickups would be through some kind of a > > cpu/proc timing-tracer. Do we have something like that? > > Here is something like a tracer. > > Original idea by Chris Friesen, thanks, from this post:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Al Boldi
Al Boldi wrote: > BTW, another way to show these hickups would be through some kind of a > cpu/proc timing-tracer. Do we have something like that? Here is something like a tracer. Original idea by Chris Friesen, thanks, from this post:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Al Boldi
Al Boldi wrote: BTW, another way to show these hickups would be through some kind of a cpu/proc timing-tracer. Do we have something like that? Here is something like a tracer. Original idea by Chris Friesen, thanks, from this post:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 05:11, Al Boldi wrote: Al Boldi wrote: BTW, another way to show these hickups would be through some kind of a cpu/proc timing-tracer. Do we have something like that? Here is something like a tracer. Original idea by Chris Friesen, thanks, from this post:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is followed by another rotation before the higher priority task is getting a look in in schedule() to even get quota and add it to the runqueue quota. I'll try a simple

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread bert hubert
Con, Recent kernel versions have real problems for me on the interactivity front, with even a simple 'make' of my C++ program (PowerDNS) causing Firefox to slow down to a crawl. RSDL fixed all that, the system is noticeably snappier. As a case in point, I used to notice when a compile was done

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 09:29, bert hubert wrote: Con, Recent kernel versions have real problems for me on the interactivity front, with even a simple 'make' of my C++ program (PowerDNS) causing Firefox to slow down to a crawl. RSDL fixed all that, the system is noticeably snappier. As a

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Al Boldi
Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is followed by another rotation before the higher priority task is getting a look in in schedule() to even get quota and add it to the runqueue

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-11 Thread Con Kolivas
On Monday 12 March 2007 15:42, Al Boldi wrote: Con Kolivas wrote: On Monday 12 March 2007 08:52, Con Kolivas wrote: And thank you! I think I know what's going on now. I think each rotation is followed by another rotation before the higher priority task is getting a look in in

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-10 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: >> Last I checked there were limits to runtime configurability centering >> around only supporting a compiled-in set of scheduling drivers, unless >> Peter's taken it the rest of the way without my noticing. It's unclear >> what you have in mind in terms of dynamic

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-10 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: > William Lee Irwin III wrote: > >> A useful exercise may also be enumerating > >> your expectations and having those who actually work with the code > >> describe how well those are actually met. > > On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 08:34:25AM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: > > A

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-10 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: William Lee Irwin III wrote: A useful exercise may also be enumerating your expectations and having those who actually work with the code describe how well those are actually met. On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 08:34:25AM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: A runtime

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-10 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: Last I checked there were limits to runtime configurability centering around only supporting a compiled-in set of scheduling drivers, unless Peter's taken it the rest of the way without my noticing. It's unclear what you have in mind in terms of dynamic

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: This sort of concern is too subjective for me to have an opinion on it. On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 11:43:46PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: >>> How diplomatic. William Lee Irwin III wrote: >> Impoliteness doesn't accomplish anything I want to do. On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: > William Lee Irwin III wrote: > >> This sort of concern is too subjective for me to have an opinion on it. > > On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 11:43:46PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: > > How diplomatic. > > Impoliteness doesn't accomplish anything I want to do. Fair enough. But

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 05:18:31PM -0500, Ryan Hope wrote: > from what I understood, there is a performance loss in plugsched > schedulers because they have to share code > even if pluggable schedulers is not a viable option, being able to > choose which one was built into the kernel would be

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread David Lang
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Al Boldi wrote: My preferred sphere of operation is the Manichean domain of faster vs. slower, functionality vs. non-functionality, and the like. For me, such design concerns are like the need for a kernel to format pagetables so the x86 MMU decodes what was intended, or

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: >> The short translation of my message for you is "Linus, please don't >> LART me too hard." On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 11:43:46PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: > Right. Given where the code originally came from, I've got bullets to dodge. William Lee Irwin III wrote: >>

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Ryan Hope
from what I understood, there is a performance loss in plugsched schedulers because they have to share code even if pluggable schedulers is not a viable option, being able to choose which one was built into the kernel would be easy (only takes a few ifdefs), i too think competition would be

Re: [ck] [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-09 Thread Rodney Gordon II
On Sunday 04 March 2007 01:00, Con Kolivas wrote: > This message is to announce the first general public release of the > "Rotating Staircase DeadLine" cpu scheduler. > > Based on previous work from the staircase cpu scheduler I set out to > design, from scratch, a new scheduling policy design

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: > William Lee Irwin III wrote: > >> I consider policy issues to be hopeless political quagmires and > >> therefore stick to mechanism. So even though I may have started the > >> code in question, I have little or nothing to say about that sort of > >> use for it. > >>

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-09 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: > > But it IS okay for people to make special-case schedulers. Because it's MY > machine, Sure. Go wild. It's what open-source is all about. I'm not stopping you. I'm just not merging code that makes the scheduler unreadable, even hard to understand,

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-09 Thread Bill Davidsen
Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: Please, could you now rethink plugable scheduler as well? Even if one had to be chosen at boot time and couldn't be change thereafter, it would still allow a few new thoughts to be included. No. Really. I absolutely

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: >> I consider policy issues to be hopeless political quagmires and >> therefore stick to mechanism. So even though I may have started the >> code in question, I have little or nothing to say about that sort of >> use for it. >> There's my longwinded excuse for having

Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: > On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:31:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > No. Really. > > I absolutely *detest* pluggable schedulers. They have a huge downside: > > they allow people to think that it's ok to make special-case schedulers. > > And I simply very fundamentally

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:31:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > No. Really. > I absolutely *detest* pluggable schedulers. They have a huge downside: > they allow people to think that it's ok to make special-case schedulers. > And I simply very fundamentally disagree. > If you want to play with

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:31:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: No. Really. I absolutely *detest* pluggable schedulers. They have a huge downside: they allow people to think that it's ok to make special-case schedulers. And I simply very fundamentally disagree. If you want to play with a

Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:31:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: No. Really. I absolutely *detest* pluggable schedulers. They have a huge downside: they allow people to think that it's ok to make special-case schedulers. And I simply very fundamentally

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: I consider policy issues to be hopeless political quagmires and therefore stick to mechanism. So even though I may have started the code in question, I have little or nothing to say about that sort of use for it. There's my longwinded excuse for having originated

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-09 Thread Bill Davidsen
Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: Please, could you now rethink plugable scheduler as well? Even if one had to be chosen at boot time and couldn't be change thereafter, it would still allow a few new thoughts to be included. No. Really. I absolutely

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-09 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: But it IS okay for people to make special-case schedulers. Because it's MY machine, Sure. Go wild. It's what open-source is all about. I'm not stopping you. I'm just not merging code that makes the scheduler unreadable, even hard to understand,

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: William Lee Irwin III wrote: I consider policy issues to be hopeless political quagmires and therefore stick to mechanism. So even though I may have started the code in question, I have little or nothing to say about that sort of use for it. There's my

Re: [ck] [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-09 Thread Rodney Gordon II
On Sunday 04 March 2007 01:00, Con Kolivas wrote: This message is to announce the first general public release of the Rotating Staircase DeadLine cpu scheduler. Based on previous work from the staircase cpu scheduler I set out to design, from scratch, a new scheduling policy design which

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Ryan Hope
from what I understood, there is a performance loss in plugsched schedulers because they have to share code even if pluggable schedulers is not a viable option, being able to choose which one was built into the kernel would be easy (only takes a few ifdefs), i too think competition would be

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: The short translation of my message for you is Linus, please don't LART me too hard. On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 11:43:46PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: Right. Given where the code originally came from, I've got bullets to dodge. William Lee Irwin III wrote: This sort of

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread David Lang
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Al Boldi wrote: My preferred sphere of operation is the Manichean domain of faster vs. slower, functionality vs. non-functionality, and the like. For me, such design concerns are like the need for a kernel to format pagetables so the x86 MMU decodes what was intended, or

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 05:18:31PM -0500, Ryan Hope wrote: from what I understood, there is a performance loss in plugsched schedulers because they have to share code even if pluggable schedulers is not a viable option, being able to choose which one was built into the kernel would be easy

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread Al Boldi
William Lee Irwin III wrote: William Lee Irwin III wrote: This sort of concern is too subjective for me to have an opinion on it. On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 11:43:46PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: How diplomatic. Impoliteness doesn't accomplish anything I want to do. Fair enough. But being

Re: Pluggable Schedulers (was: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler)

2007-03-09 Thread William Lee Irwin III
William Lee Irwin III wrote: This sort of concern is too subjective for me to have an opinion on it. On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 11:43:46PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: How diplomatic. William Lee Irwin III wrote: Impoliteness doesn't accomplish anything I want to do. On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread hui
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:31:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: > > Please, could you now rethink plugable scheduler as well? Even if one had to > > be chosen at boot time and couldn't be change thereafter, it would still > > allow > > a few new thoughts

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: > > Please, could you now rethink plugable scheduler as well? Even if one had to > be chosen at boot time and couldn't be change thereafter, it would still allow > a few new thoughts to be included. No. Really. I absolutely *detest* pluggable

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Bill Davidsen
Con Kolivas wrote: On Wednesday 07 March 2007 04:50, Bill Davidsen wrote: With luck I'll get to shake out that patch in combination with kvm later today. Great thanks!. I've appreciated all the feedback so far. I did try, the 2.6.21-rc3-git3 doesn't want to kvm for me, and your patch may

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Bill Davidsen
Linus Torvalds wrote: On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Ed Tomlinson wrote: The patch _does_ make a difference. For instance reading mail with freenet working hard (threaded java application) and gentoo's emerge triggering compiles to update the box is much smoother. Think this scheduler needs serious

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Fabio Comolli
Well, downloaded - compiled - booted: initng measures 17.369 seconds to complete the boot process; without the patch the same kernel booted in 21.553 seconds. Very impressive. Many thanks for your work. Fabio On 3/8/07, Con Kolivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Friday 09 March 2007

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Con Kolivas
On Friday 09 March 2007 07:25, Fabio Comolli wrote: > Hi Con > It would be nice if you could rebase this patch to latest git or at > least to 2.6.21-rc3. > Regards, Check in http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/staircase-deadline/ There's an -rc3 patch there. -- -ck - To unsubscribe from this list:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Fabio Comolli
Hi Con It would be nice if you could rebase this patch to latest git or at least to 2.6.21-rc3. Regards, Fabio On 3/4/07, Con Kolivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is to announce the first general public release of the "Rotating Staircase DeadLine" cpu scheduler. Based on previous

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Tim Tassonis
Hi Con Just also wanted to throw in my less than two cents: I applied the patch and also have the very strong subjective impression that my system "feels" much more responsive than with stock 2.6.20. Thanks for the great work. Bye Tim - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Con Kolivas
On Thursday 08 March 2007 19:53, Ingo Molnar wrote: > * Con Kolivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is to announce the first general public release of the > > "Rotating Staircase DeadLine" cpu scheduler. > > > > Based on previous work from the staircase cpu scheduler I set out to > >

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Con Kolivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is to announce the first general public release of the > "Rotating Staircase DeadLine" cpu scheduler. > > Based on previous work from the staircase cpu scheduler I set out to > design, from scratch, a new scheduling policy design which

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Tim Tassonis
Hi Con Just also wanted to throw in my less than two cents: I applied the patch and also have the very strong subjective impression that my system feels much more responsive than with stock 2.6.20. Thanks for the great work. Bye Tim - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Fabio Comolli
Hi Con It would be nice if you could rebase this patch to latest git or at least to 2.6.21-rc3. Regards, Fabio On 3/4/07, Con Kolivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is to announce the first general public release of the Rotating Staircase DeadLine cpu scheduler. Based on previous

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Con Kolivas
On Friday 09 March 2007 07:25, Fabio Comolli wrote: Hi Con It would be nice if you could rebase this patch to latest git or at least to 2.6.21-rc3. Regards, Check in http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/staircase-deadline/ There's an -rc3 patch there. -- -ck - To unsubscribe from this list: send

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Fabio Comolli
Well, downloaded - compiled - booted: initng measures 17.369 seconds to complete the boot process; without the patch the same kernel booted in 21.553 seconds. Very impressive. Many thanks for your work. Fabio On 3/8/07, Con Kolivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 09 March 2007 07:25,

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Bill Davidsen
Linus Torvalds wrote: On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Ed Tomlinson wrote: The patch _does_ make a difference. For instance reading mail with freenet working hard (threaded java application) and gentoo's emerge triggering compiles to update the box is much smoother. Think this scheduler needs serious

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Bill Davidsen
Con Kolivas wrote: On Wednesday 07 March 2007 04:50, Bill Davidsen wrote: With luck I'll get to shake out that patch in combination with kvm later today. Great thanks!. I've appreciated all the feedback so far. I did try, the 2.6.21-rc3-git3 doesn't want to kvm for me, and your patch may

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: Please, could you now rethink plugable scheduler as well? Even if one had to be chosen at boot time and couldn't be change thereafter, it would still allow a few new thoughts to be included. No. Really. I absolutely *detest* pluggable schedulers.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread hui
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:31:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Bill Davidsen wrote: Please, could you now rethink plugable scheduler as well? Even if one had to be chosen at boot time and couldn't be change thereafter, it would still allow a few new thoughts to be

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Con Kolivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is to announce the first general public release of the Rotating Staircase DeadLine cpu scheduler. Based on previous work from the staircase cpu scheduler I set out to design, from scratch, a new scheduling policy design which satisfies

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-08 Thread Con Kolivas
On Thursday 08 March 2007 19:53, Ingo Molnar wrote: * Con Kolivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is to announce the first general public release of the Rotating Staircase DeadLine cpu scheduler. Based on previous work from the staircase cpu scheduler I set out to design, from

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Willy Tarreau
Hi Bill, On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 04:37:37PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: (...) > The point is that no one CPU scheduler will satisfy the policy needs of > all users, any more than one i/o scheduler does so. We have realtime > scheduling, preempt both voluntary and involuntary, why should we not

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Bill Davidsen
Willy Tarreau wrote: On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 11:18:44AM +1100, Con Kolivas wrote: On Tuesday 06 March 2007 10:05, Bill Davidsen wrote: jos poortvliet wrote: Well, imho his current staircase scheduler already does a better job compared to mainline, but it won't make it in (or at

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Con Kolivas
On Wednesday 07 March 2007 04:50, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 05 March 2007, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> This looks like -mm stuff if you want it in 2.6.22 > > > > This needs to get to 2.6.21, it really is that big an improvement. > > As Con pointed out, for some

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Tuesday 06 March 2007, schreef Willy Tarreau: > In a way, I think they are right. Let me explain. Pluggable schedulers are > useful when you want to switch away from the default one. This is very > useful during development of a new scheduler, as well as when you're not > satisfied with the

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Bill Davidsen
Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: This looks like -mm stuff if you want it in 2.6.22 This needs to get to 2.6.21, it really is that big an improvement. As Con pointed out, for some workloads and desired behavour this is not as good as the existing

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Al Boldi
Xavier Bestel wrote: > On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 09:10 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote: > > Hah I just wish gears would go away. If I get hardware where it runs at > > just the right speed it looks like it doesn't move at all. On other > > hardware the wheels go backwards and forwards where the screen

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 09:10 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote: > Hah I just wish gears would go away. If I get hardware where it runs at just > the right speed it looks like it doesn't move at all. On other hardware the > wheels go backwards and forwards where the screen refresh rate is just > perfectly

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 09:10 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote: Hah I just wish gears would go away. If I get hardware where it runs at just the right speed it looks like it doesn't move at all. On other hardware the wheels go backwards and forwards where the screen refresh rate is just perfectly a

Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Al Boldi
Xavier Bestel wrote: On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 09:10 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote: Hah I just wish gears would go away. If I get hardware where it runs at just the right speed it looks like it doesn't move at all. On other hardware the wheels go backwards and forwards where the screen refresh

Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

2007-03-06 Thread Bill Davidsen
Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: This looks like -mm stuff if you want it in 2.6.22 This needs to get to 2.6.21, it really is that big an improvement. As Con pointed out, for some workloads and desired behavour this is not as good as the existing

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