Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-06-06 Thread Belisko Marek
CC-ing author of below reply On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Belisko Marek wrote: > On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Pavel Machek wrote: >> Hi! >> >>> None was ?wonderful?. They were valid concerns about my proposal >>> and I have replied to them how I see it. >>> >>> Generally, if you are not in

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-06-06 Thread Belisko Marek
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Pavel Machek wrote: > Hi! > >> None was ?wonderful?. They were valid concerns about my proposal >> and I have replied to them how I see it. >> >> Generally, if you are not interested in people dedicated and committed to >> fight for the better solution with (technic

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-06-06 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > None was ?wonderful?. They were valid concerns about my proposal > and I have replied to them how I see it. > > Generally, if you are not interested in people dedicated and committed to > fight for the better solution with (technical) arguments and concrete > proposals > how it should be i

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Peter, Am 07.05.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller : > Hi Peter, > > Am 07.05.2015 um 17:51 schrieb Peter Hurley : > >> On 05/07/2015 11:34 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >>> Am 07.05.2015 um 16:56 schrieb Peter Hurley : On 05/07/2015 08:46 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-07 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi, Am 07.05.2015 um 18:18 schrieb Peter Hurley : > On 05/07/2015 11:11 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> >> Am 07.05.2015 um 16:30 schrieb Peter Hurley : >> >>> On 05/07/2015 08:46 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 06.05.2015 um 19:18 schrieb Mark Rutland : > On Wed, May 06,

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-07 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Peter, Am 07.05.2015 um 17:51 schrieb Peter Hurley : > On 05/07/2015 11:34 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> Am 07.05.2015 um 16:56 schrieb Peter Hurley : >>> On 05/07/2015 08:46 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > >>> Both devicetree and tty/serial can already represent independent co

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-07 Thread Peter Hurley
On 05/07/2015 11:11 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > Am 07.05.2015 um 16:30 schrieb Peter Hurley : > >> On 05/07/2015 08:46 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >>> Am 06.05.2015 um 19:18 schrieb Mark Rutland : On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 05:09:20PM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-07 Thread Peter Hurley
On 05/07/2015 11:34 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Am 07.05.2015 um 16:56 schrieb Peter Hurley : >> On 05/07/2015 08:46 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> Both devicetree and tty/serial can already represent independent control; >> what is proposed is a way to express dependent control,

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-07 Thread Rob Herring
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Am 05.05.2015 um 21:54 schrieb Peter Hurley : > >> Hi Neil, >> >> On 03/18/2015 01:58 AM, NeilBrown wrote: >>> here is version 3 of support for tty-slaves. >> >> Is there a v4 of this that I missed? I'm interested in

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-07 Thread Peter Hurley
On 05/06/2015 09:28 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > The key point appears to be how we want to see the serial connection. Is the > device connected to the uart or the uart to a device? > > In OO terminology: „device connects to uart“ vs. „uart has device connected“. > "d -> u“ vs. "u <- d“.

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-07 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 07.05.2015 um 16:56 schrieb Peter Hurley : > On 05/07/2015 08:46 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > >> So I don’t think that being able to control the slave is a common property >> of all UART-slave connections. >> >> BTW: the GPS chip we use is doing something without any instructions. I

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-07 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 07.05.2015 um 16:30 schrieb Peter Hurley : > On 05/07/2015 08:46 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> Am 06.05.2015 um 19:18 schrieb Mark Rutland : >>> On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 05:09:20PM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 06.05.2015 um 16:15 schrieb Mark Rutland : >

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-07 Thread Peter Hurley
On 05/07/2015 08:46 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > So I don’t think that being able to control the slave is a common property > of all UART-slave connections. > > BTW: the GPS chip we use is doing something without any instructions. It > starts > to send NMEA records right after power on.

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-07 Thread Peter Hurley
On 05/07/2015 08:46 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Am 06.05.2015 um 19:18 schrieb Mark Rutland : >> On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 05:09:20PM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >>> Am 06.05.2015 um 16:15 schrieb Mark Rutland : >>> > No, I am not playing devil’s advocate (which would imp

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-07 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Mark, Am 06.05.2015 um 19:18 schrieb Mark Rutland : > On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 05:09:20PM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> Hi Mark, >> >> Am 06.05.2015 um 16:15 schrieb Mark Rutland : >> No, I am not playing devil’s advocate (which would imply that I am doing this

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-06 Thread Mark Rutland
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 05:09:20PM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Am 06.05.2015 um 16:15 schrieb Mark Rutland : > > >> No, I am not playing devil’s advocate (which would imply that I am > >> doing this > >> for fun to tease the dog), but I feel I have to be the

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-06 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Pavel, Am 06.05.2015 um 16:28 schrieb Pavel Machek : > On Wed 2015-05-06 13:50:29, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> Hi Pavel, >> >> Am 06.05.2015 um 11:27 schrieb Pavel Machek : >> >>> On Wed 2015-05-06 07:19:31, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi Peter, Am 05.05.2015 um 21

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-06 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Mark, Am 06.05.2015 um 16:15 schrieb Mark Rutland : >> No, I am not playing devil’s advocate (which would imply that I am doing >> this >> for fun to tease the dog), but I feel I have to be the advocate of >> future board >> designers who want to easily import an existing

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-06 Thread Pavel Machek
On Wed 2015-05-06 13:50:29, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Hi Pavel, > > Am 06.05.2015 um 11:27 schrieb Pavel Machek : > > > On Wed 2015-05-06 07:19:31, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > >> Hi Peter, > >> > >> Am 05.05.2015 um 21:54 schrieb Peter Hurley : > >> > >>> Hi Neil, > >>> > >>> On

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-06 Thread Mark Rutland
> No, I am not playing devil’s advocate (which would imply that I am doing > this > for fun to tease the dog), but I feel I have to be the advocate of > future board > designers who want to easily import an existing board DT and overwrite > device > tree nodes

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-06 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Mark, Am 06.05.2015 um 14:36 schrieb Mark Rutland : > On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 01:27:03PM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> Am 06.05.2015 um 14:05 schrieb Peter Hurley : >> >>> On 05/06/2015 07:50 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: No, I am not playing devil’s ad

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-06 Thread Mark Rutland
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 01:27:03PM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Am 06.05.2015 um 14:05 schrieb Peter Hurley : > > > On 05/06/2015 07:50 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > >> No, I am not playing devil’s advocate (which would imply that I am doing > >> this > >> for f

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-06 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Peter, Am 06.05.2015 um 14:05 schrieb Peter Hurley : > On 05/06/2015 07:50 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> No, I am not playing devil’s advocate (which would imply that I am doing this >> for fun to tease the dog), but I feel I have to be the advocate of future >> board >> designers wh

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-06 Thread Peter Hurley
On 05/06/2015 07:50 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > No, I am not playing devil’s advocate (which would imply that I am doing this > for fun to tease the dog), but I feel I have to be the advocate of future > board > designers who want to easily import an existing board DT and overwrite devic

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-06 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Pavel, Am 06.05.2015 um 11:27 schrieb Pavel Machek : > On Wed 2015-05-06 07:19:31, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> Am 05.05.2015 um 21:54 schrieb Peter Hurley : >> >>> Hi Neil, >>> >>> On 03/18/2015 01:58 AM, NeilBrown wrote: here is version 3 of support for tty-slav

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-06 Thread Peter Hurley
Hi Nikolaus, On 05/06/2015 01:19 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Am 05.05.2015 um 21:54 schrieb Peter Hurley : > >> Hi Neil, >> >> On 03/18/2015 01:58 AM, NeilBrown wrote: >>> here is version 3 of support for tty-slaves. >> >> Is there a v4 of this that I missed? > > We did have a lengthy

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-06 Thread Pavel Machek
On Wed 2015-05-06 07:19:31, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Am 05.05.2015 um 21:54 schrieb Peter Hurley : > > > Hi Neil, > > > > On 03/18/2015 01:58 AM, NeilBrown wrote: > >> here is version 3 of support for tty-slaves. > > > > Is there a v4 of this that I missed? > > We did ha

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-05-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Peter, Am 05.05.2015 um 21:54 schrieb Peter Hurley : > Hi Neil, > > On 03/18/2015 01:58 AM, NeilBrown wrote: >> here is version 3 of support for tty-slaves. > > Is there a v4 of this that I missed? We did have a lengthy discussion about [PATCH 3/3] how to best (1) represent the slave device

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-03-20 Thread Sebastian Reichel
Hi, On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 02:57:12PM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 09:54:21AM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > >> [...] > >> And we do not write a driver for the w2sg0004 but the regulator inside that > >> chip. > > > > DT describes the hardware stru

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-03-20 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi, Am 20.03.2015 um 14:08 schrieb Sebastian Reichel : > Hi, > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 09:54:21AM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> [...] >> And we do not write a driver for the w2sg0004 but the regulator inside that >> chip. > > DT describes the hardware structure and not the Linux d

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-03-20 Thread Sebastian Reichel
Hi, On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 09:54:21AM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > [...] > And we do not write a driver for the w2sg0004 but the regulator inside that > chip. DT describes the hardware structure and not the Linux driver structure. > You also won’t expect that the omap3 driver hides

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-03-20 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi, Am 20.03.2015 um 09:43 schrieb NeilBrown : > On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 08:54:35 +0100 "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" > wrote: > >> Hi Neil, >> >> Am 18.03.2015 um 06:58 schrieb NeilBrown : >> >>> Hi again, >>> here is version 3 of support for tty-slaves. >>> >>> This version introduces a new bus-t

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-03-20 Thread NeilBrown
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 08:54:35 +0100 "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" wrote: > Hi Neil, > > Am 18.03.2015 um 06:58 schrieb NeilBrown : > > > Hi again, > > here is version 3 of support for tty-slaves. > > > > This version introduces a new bus-type for tty-slaves, > > Hm. I am still not convinced that

Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.

2015-03-20 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Neil, Am 18.03.2015 um 06:58 schrieb NeilBrown : > Hi again, > here is version 3 of support for tty-slaves. > > This version introduces a new bus-type for tty-slaves, Hm. I am still not convinced that a tty is a „bus“ and that this is a solution for a wide-spread problem. > and causes > a