Helge Hafting wrote:
No problem with the remote server, it does not depend on the local boot process.
The mail program connects directly to the remote server, all you need is the
network and it comes up so fast, it will come up way before X in a parallel
boot.
Depends on the implementation and
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 12:56:25AM -0500, Jim Crilly wrote:
> Helge Hafting wrote:
> >
> >
> >Well, this will depend on your email server (pop? imap? other?)
> >being up. Is it local on your machine, or external? Either way,
> >being able to launch an email client (or some "new mail"
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 12:56:25AM -0500, Jim Crilly wrote:
Helge Hafting wrote:
Well, this will depend on your email server (pop? imap? other?)
being up. Is it local on your machine, or external? Either way,
being able to launch an email client (or some new mail notification
app)
Helge Hafting wrote:
No problem with the remote server, it does not depend on the local boot process.
The mail program connects directly to the remote server, all you need is the
network and it comes up so fast, it will come up way before X in a parallel
boot.
Depends on the implementation and
Helge Hafting wrote:
Well, this will depend on your email server (pop? imap? other?)
being up. Is it local on your machine, or external? Either way,
being able to launch an email client (or some "new mail" notification
app) shouldn't be a problem. It will simply not notice new mail until
the
Wouldn't it be sufficient to have an applet in your UI (or dialog,
depending on your preference), which communicates with init and displays
the final initialization steps? Don't check your email until it says it has
started the services for email.
So now instead of watching the boot messages or
Wouldn't it be sufficient to have an applet in your UI (or dialog,
depending on your preference), which communicates with init and displays
the final initialization steps? Don't check your email until it says it has
started the services for email.
So now instead of watching the boot messages or
Helge Hafting wrote:
Well, this will depend on your email server (pop? imap? other?)
being up. Is it local on your machine, or external? Either way,
being able to launch an email client (or some new mail notification
app) shouldn't be a problem. It will simply not notice new mail until
the
On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 01:37:09PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:17:25PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
>
> This is debatable. Windows does something like this. It really annoys
> me that I will get a windows desktop very quickly after logging in
> but that I can't do
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:17:25PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
>
> > from user space to presenting a login prompt that's way too long. My
> > distro (Debian) runs all the init scripts one at a time, and GDM is the
> > last thing that gets run. There
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:17:25PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
> from user space to presenting a login prompt that's way too long. My
> distro (Debian) runs all the init scripts one at a time, and GDM is the
> last thing that gets run. There is just no reason for this. We should
> start X and
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:17:25PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
from user space to presenting a login prompt that's way too long. My
distro (Debian) runs all the init scripts one at a time, and GDM is the
last thing that gets run. There is just no reason for this. We should
start X and
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:17:25PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
from user space to presenting a login prompt that's way too long. My
distro (Debian) runs all the init scripts one at a time, and GDM is the
last thing that gets run. There is just
On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 01:37:09PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:17:25PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
This is debatable. Windows does something like this. It really annoys
me that I will get a windows desktop very quickly after logging in
but that I can't do
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
>>This would be a win (especially if the numbers are tweked to tune this)
>>with a relatively small effort.
>>However for real dependencies and parallelism you want the info similar
>>to creat a
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 01:15 -0500, Jim Crilly wrote:
> Another issue would be dual-booting, which a lot of people still do for some
> strange reason.
Um, to reverse engineer Windows drivers?
Lee
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On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 14:20 +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
> Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
> >On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 09:55 +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
[...]
> >These are not dependencies but "only" the sequence of startup (and it is
> >not only Debian but also Fedora/RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake and probably all
Helge Hafting wrote:
Now that is a really good idea. Init could simply run "make -j init2" to
enter runlevel 2. A suitable makefile would list all dependencies, and
of course the targets needed for "init2", "init3" and so on.
It might not be that much work either. Parallel make exists already,
Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 09:55 +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
[...]
The init-script dependencies are specifies already - at least on debian.
These are not dependencies but "only" the sequence of startup (and it is
not only Debian but also Fedora/RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 09:55 +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
[...]
> The init-script dependencies are specifies already - at least on debian.
These are not dependencies but "only" the sequence of startup (and it is
not only Debian but also Fedora/RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake and probably all
except Gentoo).
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 09:34 +0100, Paolo Ciarrocchi wrote:
[...]
> So... why is Gentoo the only distro the uses parallel execution of
> init scripts ?
Because no other distro bothered to implement it.
Apart from that we as quite far off-topic for LKML since this has
nothing to do with kernel.
Kyle Moffett wrote:
On Feb 14, 2005, at 20:17, Lee Revell wrote:
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 16:16 -0800, Tim Bird wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
But, I was referring more to things like GDM not being started
until all
the other init scripts are done. Why not start it first, and let the
network initialize
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:32:22 +0100, Gábor Lénárt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:45:39PM -0500, Kyle Moffett wrote:
> > >last thing that gets run. There is just no reason for this. We should
> > >start X and initialize the display and get the login prompt up there
> >
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:45:20 -0500, Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 15:21 -0800, Roland Dreier wrote:
> > Lee> I don't see why so much effort goes into improving boot time
> > Lee> on the kernel side when the most obvious user space problem
> > Lee> is
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:45:20 -0500, Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 15:21 -0800, Roland Dreier wrote:
Lee I don't see why so much effort goes into improving boot time
Lee on the kernel side when the most obvious user space problem
Lee is ignored.
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:32:22 +0100, Gábor Lénárt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:45:39PM -0500, Kyle Moffett wrote:
last thing that gets run. There is just no reason for this. We should
start X and initialize the display and get the login prompt up there
ASAP, and let
Kyle Moffett wrote:
On Feb 14, 2005, at 20:17, Lee Revell wrote:
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 16:16 -0800, Tim Bird wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
But, I was referring more to things like GDM not being started
until all
the other init scripts are done. Why not start it first, and let the
network initialize
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 09:34 +0100, Paolo Ciarrocchi wrote:
[...]
So... why is Gentoo the only distro the uses parallel execution of
init scripts ?
Because no other distro bothered to implement it.
Apart from that we as quite far off-topic for LKML since this has
nothing to do with kernel.
The
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 09:55 +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
[...]
The init-script dependencies are specifies already - at least on debian.
These are not dependencies but only the sequence of startup (and it is
not only Debian but also Fedora/RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake and probably all
except Gentoo).
Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 09:55 +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
[...]
The init-script dependencies are specifies already - at least on debian.
These are not dependencies but only the sequence of startup (and it is
not only Debian but also Fedora/RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake and
Helge Hafting wrote:
Now that is a really good idea. Init could simply run make -j init2 to
enter runlevel 2. A suitable makefile would list all dependencies, and
of course the targets needed for init2, init3 and so on.
It might not be that much work either. Parallel make exists already,
and
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 14:20 +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 09:55 +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
[...]
These are not dependencies but only the sequence of startup (and it is
not only Debian but also Fedora/RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake and probably all
except
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 01:15 -0500, Jim Crilly wrote:
Another issue would be dual-booting, which a lot of people still do for some
strange reason.
Um, to reverse engineer Windows drivers?
Lee
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
This would be a win (especially if the numbers are tweked to tune this)
with a relatively small effort.
However for real dependencies and parallelism you want the info similar
to creat a Makefile from it
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:45:39PM -0500, Kyle Moffett wrote:
> >last thing that gets run. There is just no reason for this. We should
> >start X and initialize the display and get the login prompt up there
> >ASAP, and let the system acquire the DHCP lease and start sendmail and
> >apache and
Hi.
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 17:15, Jim Crilly wrote:
> Nigel Cunningham said the following:
> > You warmed my heart until...
>
> Good to know someone reads my email =)
>
> > Why not? :> I guess you mean to the problem of slow booting in the first
> > place - I would agree with you there, but is
Nigel Cunningham said the following:
You warmed my heart until...
Good to know someone reads my email =)
Why not? :> I guess you mean to the problem of slow booting in the first
place - I would agree with you there, but is there are reason why we
should have booting being the norm instead of
Ah Jim.
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 14:38, Jim Crilly wrote:
> I agree boot up is too slow and that some things should be started in the
> background, but not things that are required for the main purpose of the box
> to
> work properly, what should be started sync and what should be async is a hard
Lee Revell said the following:
The reason I marked by response OT is that the time from power on to
userspace does not seem to be a big problem. It's the amount of time
from user space to presenting a login prompt that's way too long. My
distro (Debian) runs all the init scripts one at a time,
On Feb 14, 2005, at 20:17, Lee Revell wrote:
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 16:16 -0800, Tim Bird wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
But, I was referring more to things like GDM not being started until
all
the other init scripts are done. Why not start it first, and let the
network initialize while the user is
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 16:16 -0800, Tim Bird wrote:
> Lee Revell wrote:
> > But, I was referring more to things like GDM not being started until all
> > the other init scripts are done. Why not start it first, and let the
> > network initialize while the user is logging in?
>
> There are a number
Lee Revell wrote:
> But, I was referring more to things like GDM not being started until all
> the other init scripts are done. Why not start it first, and let the
> network initialize while the user is logging in?
There are a number of techniques used by CE vendors to get fast bootup
time.
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 15:21 -0800, Roland Dreier wrote:
> Lee> I don't see why so much effort goes into improving boot time
> Lee> on the kernel side when the most obvious user space problem
> Lee> is ignored.
>
> How much of a win is it to run init scripts in parallel? I seem to
>
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 15:21 -0800, Roland Dreier wrote:
Lee I don't see why so much effort goes into improving boot time
Lee on the kernel side when the most obvious user space problem
Lee is ignored.
How much of a win is it to run init scripts in parallel? I seem to
recall
Lee Revell wrote:
But, I was referring more to things like GDM not being started until all
the other init scripts are done. Why not start it first, and let the
network initialize while the user is logging in?
There are a number of techniques used by CE vendors to get fast bootup
time. Some
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 16:16 -0800, Tim Bird wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
But, I was referring more to things like GDM not being started until all
the other init scripts are done. Why not start it first, and let the
network initialize while the user is logging in?
There are a number of
On Feb 14, 2005, at 20:17, Lee Revell wrote:
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 16:16 -0800, Tim Bird wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
But, I was referring more to things like GDM not being started until
all
the other init scripts are done. Why not start it first, and let the
network initialize while the user is
Lee Revell said the following:
The reason I marked by response OT is that the time from power on to
userspace does not seem to be a big problem. It's the amount of time
from user space to presenting a login prompt that's way too long. My
distro (Debian) runs all the init scripts one at a time,
Ah Jim.
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 14:38, Jim Crilly wrote:
I agree boot up is too slow and that some things should be started in the
background, but not things that are required for the main purpose of the box
to
work properly, what should be started sync and what should be async is a hard
Nigel Cunningham said the following:
You warmed my heart until...
Good to know someone reads my email =)
Why not? : I guess you mean to the problem of slow booting in the first
place - I would agree with you there, but is there are reason why we
should have booting being the norm instead of
Hi.
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 17:15, Jim Crilly wrote:
Nigel Cunningham said the following:
You warmed my heart until...
Good to know someone reads my email =)
Why not? : I guess you mean to the problem of slow booting in the first
place - I would agree with you there, but is there are
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:45:39PM -0500, Kyle Moffett wrote:
last thing that gets run. There is just no reason for this. We should
start X and initialize the display and get the login prompt up there
ASAP, and let the system acquire the DHCP lease and start sendmail and
apache and get the
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