Re: Unmounting and ejecting the root fs on shutdown.

2001-02-28 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote: Hello Per , Has anyone gotten back to you on this subject ? I as well am very interested in any information about releiving this difficulty . Tia , JimL Such a CD would be very nice; one or two people do have this

Re: Unmounting and ejecting the root fs on shutdown.

2001-02-28 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote: Hello James , Yup that works alright . But the difficulty Per I were talking about is after the system (such as slackware's live-fs) is -shutdown- the CD drive bay is still locked , One has to hard-reset (or

Re: my first post to the list - newbie alert

2001-03-03 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, bert hubert wrote: On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 11:52:22AM -0800, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: is there a more suitable mailing list for me to sign up for? debian has a mailing list both for package maintainers and those who are trying to learn how to be package maintainers.

Re: binfmt_script and ^M

2001-03-06 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Sean Hunter wrote: I propose /proc/sys/kernel/im_too_lame_to_learn_how_to_use_the_most_basic_of_unix_tools_so_i_want_the_kernel_to_be_filled_with_crap_to_disguise_my_ineptitude Any support? Hrm - make it part of the "fscking_moron" subsystem.

Re: Microsoft ZERO Sector Virus, Result of Taskfile WAR

2001-03-06 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Andre Hedrick wrote: On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Jens Axboe wrote: But I might want to do this (write sector 0), why would we want to filter that? If someone a) uses an email client that will execute java script code (or whatever) and b) runs that as root (which he would

RE: Microsoft begining to open source Windows 2000?

2001-03-08 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Anton Altaparmakov wrote: At 16:04 08/03/01, Venkatesh Ramamurthy wrote: My initial thought after seeing this article was that microsoft was testing its waters on open sourcing. If i have 1500 licenses then i would get the source. If i find any bug in thier source , i

Re: [OT] Re: Microsoft begining to open source Windows 2000?

2001-03-08 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Stuart MacDonald wrote: From: "Venkatesh Ramamurthy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/main/0,10228,2692987,00.html "As such, clients will not be allowed to alter the code in any form and may not give any other party access to any aspect of that

Re: new generic content schemes popping up everywhere...

2001-03-13 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Thomas Dodd wrote: Andre Hedrick wrote: From siliconvalley.com's GMSV column today: self-destruct if it's tampered with. The utility is enabled with 11 layers of security defenses, all of which must be successfully navigated to disable the system. These

Re: ECN causing problems

2000-11-22 Thread James A Sutherland
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Joseph Gooch wrote: My RaptorNT 6.5 firewall rejects all connections from my linux box when ECN is enabled. The error is attached. Perhaps this feature should be disabled by default? Or is there already an option of the sort that i'm missing? I only got the idea to

Re: [PATCH] removal of static foo = 0

2000-11-25 Thread James A Sutherland
On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Andries Brouwer wrote: On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 09:11:18AM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: No information is lost. Do I explain things so badly? Let me try again. The difference between static int a; and static int a = 0; is the " = 0". The compiler may well

Re: [PATCH] removal of static foo = 0

2000-11-25 Thread James A Sutherland
On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Tim Waugh wrote: On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 10:53:00PM +, James A Sutherland wrote: Which is silly. The variable is explicitly defined to be zero anyway, whether you put this in your code or not. Why doesn't the compiler just leave out explicit zeros from

Re: IDE-SCSI/HPT366 Problem

2000-11-29 Thread James A Sutherland
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Kurt Garloff wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 01:06:16PM -0600, --Damacus Porteng-- wrote: Problem: The problem lies with using my EIDE CDRW - I set it up properly using IDE-SCSI. I can use my mp3tocdda shell script to encode mp3s to CD (uses cdrecord as

Re: Fasttrak100 questions...

2000-11-29 Thread James A Sutherland
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Andre Hedrick wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Alan Cox wrote: You are wrong: If you modify the kernel you have to make it available for anyone who wishes to use it; that's also in the GPL. You can't add stuff No it isnt. Some people seem to think it is. You only

Re: high load poor interactivity on fast thread creation

2000-11-30 Thread James A Sutherland
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Arnaud Installe wrote: On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 08:47:49AM -0600, Ray Bryant wrote: The IBM implementations of the Java language use native threads -- the result is that every time you do a Java thread creation, you end up with a new cloned process. Now this should be

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: * User continues to happily listen to radio through sound card You're using the sound card without a driver? Yes. The sound card allows itself to be unloaded when the pass-through mixer levels are non-zero. This is

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Andi Kleen wrote: On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 11:02:47AM +, Alan Cox wrote: with the TCP ECN_ECHO and CWR flags set, to indicate ECN-capability, then the sender should send its second SYN packet without these flags set. This is because Now

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: So autoload the module with a "dont_screw_with_mixer" option. When the kernel first boots, initialise the mixer to suitable settings (load the module with "do_screw_with_mixer" or whatever); thereafter, the driver

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Irrelevant. The current mixer settings don't matter: what matters is that the driver does not change them. It does matter. The sound driver needs to be able to _read_ the current levels. So do so. That's a

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Horst von Brand wrote: [Chopped down Cc: list] "James A. Sutherland" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: [...] It does not know them. Correct. But with persistent module storage, it _could_ know them. No

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: So set them on startup. NOT when the driver is first loaded. Put it in the rc.d scripts. No. You should initialise the hardware completely when the driver is reloaded. Although the expected case is that the levels

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Except this isn't possible with the hardware in question! If it were, there would be no problem. In cases where the hardware doesn't support the functionality userspace "needs", why put the kludge in the kernel? If

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000, Alan Cox wrote: changing settings. If I plug in a hotplug soundcard and load the driver, I do NOT want the driver to decide to set some settings. If I want settings set, I'll do it myself (or have a script to do it). How about if your stuff is already nicely set up

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000, Gerhard Mack wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, James A. Sutherland wrote: On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Gerhard Mack wrote: Sure .. lets see you start a laptop in class or buisness meeting and have everyone turn to look at you wondering why your laptop let off an ear piercing

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-07 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000, Gerhard Mack wrote: Then none of this is relevant to you, since you can't unload any modules! And now you're the one doing the trolling... WTF do you think module code is supposed to do when you don't use modules?! Simple ... I'd rather the hardware was set to 0

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-07 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Horst von Brand wrote: "James A. Sutherland" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Horst von Brand wrote: [...] The problem (AFAIU) is that if the levels aren't set on startup, they are random in some cases. So set them on startup. NOT when

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-07 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000, Alan Cox wrote: When I plug it in and modprobe is triggered to load the driver, a script then runs to feed the device appropriate configuration info. Since the driver only resets the hardware when it is given the correct configuration, there's no problem. Thats

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-07 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000, Alan Cox wrote: In the NIC example, I might well want the DHCP client to run whenever I activate the card. Bringing the NIC up with the old configuration - which, with dynamic IP addresses, could now include someone else's IP address! - is worse than useless.

Re: Installing kernel 2.4

2000-11-08 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000, Horst von Brand wrote: "Jeff V. Merkey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [...] Your way out in the weeds. What started this thread was a customer who ended up loading the wrong arch on a system and hanging. I have to post a kernel RPM for our release, and it's onerous to

Re: Installing kernel 2.4

2000-11-08 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000, George Anzinger wrote: But, here the customer did run the configure code (he said he did not change anything). Isn't this where the machine should be diagnosed and the right options chosen? Need a way to say it is a cross build, but that shouldn't be too hard. Why

Re: Installing kernel 2.4

2000-11-08 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000, George Anzinger wrote: "James A. Sutherland" wrote: On Wed, 08 Nov 2000, George Anzinger wrote: But, here the customer did run the configure code (he said he did not change anything). Isn't this where the machine should be diagnosed and the rig

Re: Installing kernel 2.4

2000-11-09 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I think a default whereby the kernel built will run on any Linux-capable machine of that architecture would be sensible - so if I grab the 2.4.0t10 tarball and build it now, with no changes, I'll be able to boot the

Re: bzImage ~ 900K with i386 test11-pre2

2000-11-11 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Sat, 11 Nov 2000, Max Inux wrote: gzip, actually. I can verify here "make bzImage" does the expected thing and it looks normal-sized to me. I believe there is zImage (gzip) and bzImage (bzip2). (Or is it compress vs gzip, but then why bzImage vs gzImage?) Neither. They are both

Re: Dual XEON - SLOW on SMP

2000-11-13 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 08:26:55PM +0100, Marc Lehmann wrote: On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 04:03:25PM -0700, "Jeff V. Merkey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc Lehman verified that PII systems will generate tons of AGIs with gcc. It is a bit

Re: XMMS not working on 2.4.0-test11-pre7

2000-11-19 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, David Ford wrote: My guess is that it's a plugin, the source for xmms doesn't have "cpuinfo" anywhere in it. -d Gianluca Anzolin wrote: it seems there has been a change in the format of the /proc/cpuinfo file: infact 'flags: ' became 'features: ' This

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-02 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:19:07 -0500 Mon, 2 Jul 01 12:25:43 BST, you wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote: This seems to be meant as a joke, but I don't think it's all that unlikely. I seem to recall that MS products

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-17 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Dennis wrote: At 07:01 PM 02/16/2001, Alan Olsen wrote: On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Dennis wrote: There is much truth to the concept, although Microsoft should not be ones to comment on it as such. What truth? I have seen more "innovation" in the Open Source movement

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-17 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Michael Bacarella wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 02:38:29PM -0500, Dennis wrote: It's not about facts, it's not about the truth, it's not about Jim Allchin being an idiot or deluded. It's about propaganda, misinformation, and marketing. It's about business. Nothing

Re: [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init

2001-03-22 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Rik van Riel wrote: On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Patrick O'Rourke wrote: Since the system will panic if the init process is chosen by the OOM killer, the following patch prevents select_bad_process() from picking init. One question ... has the OOM killer ever selected init

Re: [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init

2001-03-23 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Guest section DW wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 08:48:54PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Patrick O'Rourke wrote: Since the system will panic if the init process is chosen by the OOM killer, the following patch prevents select_bad_process() from

Re: Unmounting and ejecting the root fs on shutdown.

2001-02-28 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote: > > Hello Per , Has anyone gotten back to you on this subject ? > I as well am very interested in any information about releiving > this difficulty . Tia , JimL Such a CD would be very nice; one or two people do have this

Re: Unmounting and ejecting the root fs on shutdown.

2001-02-28 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote: > > Hello James , Yup that works alright . But the difficulty > Per & I were talking about is after the system (such as > slackware's live-fs) is -shutdown- the CD drive bay is still > locked , One has to hard-reset

Re: my first post to the list - newbie alert

2001-03-03 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, bert hubert wrote: > On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 11:52:22AM -0800, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > > > is there a more suitable mailing list for me to sign up for? debian has a > > mailing list both for package maintainers and those who are trying to learn > > how to be package

Re: binfmt_script and ^M

2001-03-06 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Sean Hunter wrote: > > I propose > >/proc/sys/kernel/im_too_lame_to_learn_how_to_use_the_most_basic_of_unix_tools_so_i_want_the_kernel_to_be_filled_with_crap_to_disguise_my_ineptitude > > Any support? Hrm - make it part of the "fscking_moron" subsystem.

Re: Microsoft ZERO Sector Virus, Result of Taskfile WAR

2001-03-06 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Andre Hedrick wrote: > On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Jens Axboe wrote: > > > But I might want to do this (write sector 0), why would we want > > to filter that? If someone a) uses an email client that will execute > > java script code (or whatever) and b) runs that as root (which > >

RE: Microsoft begining to open source Windows 2000?

2001-03-08 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Anton Altaparmakov wrote: > At 16:04 08/03/01, Venkatesh Ramamurthy wrote: > >My initial thought after seeing this article was that microsoft was testing > >its waters on open sourcing. If i have 1500 licenses then i would get the > >source. If i find any bug in thier source

Re: [OT] Re: Microsoft begining to open source Windows 2000?

2001-03-08 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Stuart MacDonald wrote: > From: "Venkatesh Ramamurthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/main/0,10228,2692987,00.html > > "As such, clients will not be allowed to alter the code in any form and > may not give any other party access to any aspect

Re: new generic content schemes popping up everywhere...

2001-03-13 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Thomas Dodd wrote: > Andre Hedrick wrote: > > >From siliconvalley.com's GMSV column today: > >self-destruct if it's tampered with. The utility is enabled > >with 11 layers of security defenses, all of which must be > >successfully navigated to disable the

Re: [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init

2001-03-22 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Rik van Riel wrote: > On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Patrick O'Rourke wrote: > > > Since the system will panic if the init process is chosen by > > the OOM killer, the following patch prevents select_bad_process() > > from picking init. > > One question ... has the OOM killer ever

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-02 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:19:07 -0500 Mon, 2 Jul 01 12:25:43 BST, you wrote: >- Original Message - >From: "William T Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote: >> >> > This seems to be meant as a joke, but I don't think it's all that >unlikely. >> > >> > I seem to

Re: ECN causing problems

2000-11-22 Thread James A Sutherland
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Joseph Gooch wrote: > My RaptorNT 6.5 firewall rejects all connections from my linux box when ECN > is enabled. The error is attached. Perhaps this feature should be disabled > by default? Or is there already an option of the sort that i'm missing? I > only got the idea

Re: [PATCH] removal of "static foo = 0"

2000-11-25 Thread James A Sutherland
On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Andries Brouwer wrote: > On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 09:11:18AM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > No information is lost. > > Do I explain things so badly? Let me try again. > The difference between > > static int a; > > and > > static int a = 0; > > is the " = 0". The

Re: [PATCH] removal of "static foo = 0"

2000-11-25 Thread James A Sutherland
On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Tim Waugh wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 10:53:00PM +, James A Sutherland wrote: > > > Which is silly. The variable is explicitly defined to be zero > > anyway, whether you put this in your code or not. > > Why doesn't the compiler ju

Re: IDE-SCSI/HPT366 Problem

2000-11-29 Thread James A Sutherland
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Kurt Garloff wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 01:06:16PM -0600, --Damacus Porteng-- wrote: > > Problem: > > The problem lies with using my EIDE CDRW - I set it up properly using > > IDE-SCSI. I can use my mp3tocdda shell script to encode mp3s to CD > > (uses

Re: Fasttrak100 questions...

2000-11-29 Thread James A Sutherland
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Andre Hedrick wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Alan Cox wrote: > > > > You are wrong: If you modify the kernel you have to make it available for > > > anyone who wishes to use it; that's also in the GPL. You can't add stuff > > > > No it isnt. Some people seem to think it is.

Re: high load & poor interactivity on fast thread creation

2000-11-30 Thread James A Sutherland
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Arnaud Installe wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 08:47:49AM -0600, Ray Bryant wrote: > > The IBM implementations of the Java language use native threads -- > > the result is that every time you do a Java thread creation, you > > end up with a new cloned process. Now this

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > > * User continues to happily listen to radio through sound card > > You're using the sound card without a driver? > > Yes. The sound card allows itself to be unloaded when the pass-through mixer > levels are non-zero.

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Andi Kleen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 11:02:47AM +, Alan Cox wrote: > > >with the TCP ECN_ECHO and CWR flags set, to indicate > > >ECN-capability, then the sender should send its second > > >SYN packet without these flags set. This is because

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > So autoload the module with a "dont_screw_with_mixer" option. When > > the kernel first boots, initialise the mixer to suitable settings > > (load the module with "do_screw_with_mixer" or whatever); thereafter, > > the

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > Irrelevant. The current mixer settings don't matter: what matters is > > that the driver does not change them. > > It does matter. The sound driver needs to be able to _read_ the current > levels. So do so. That's a

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Horst von Brand wrote: > [Chopped down Cc: list] > "James A. Sutherland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: > > [...] > > > > It does not know them. Correct. But with persiste

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > Yippee. As we all know, implementing GUI volume controls and putting > > the slider in the right place is a kernel function, and nothing to do > > with userspace... > > Don't troll, James. The kernel needs to provide the

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Alan Cox wrote: > > So autoload the module with a "dont_screw_with_mixer" option. When the kernel > > first boots, initialise the mixer to suitable settings (load the module with > > "do_screw_with_mixer" or whatever); thereafter, the driver shouldn't change > > the mixer

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > So set them on startup. NOT when the driver is first loaded. Put it > > in the rc.d scripts. > > No. You should initialise the hardware completely when the driver is > reloaded. Although the expected case is that the

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > Except this isn't possible with the hardware in question! If it were, > > there would be no problem. In cases where the hardware doesn't support > > the functionality userspace "needs", why put the kludge in the kernel? >

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Dan Hollis wrote: > On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, James A. Sutherland wrote: > > So autoload the module with a "dont_screw_with_mixer" option. When the kernel > > first boots, initialise the mixer to suitable settings (load the module with > > &q

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Evan Jeffrey wrote: > > On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: > > > > > > No. You have to reset the hardware fully each time you load the module. > > > Although you _expect_ it to be in the state in which you left it, you can't > > > > > be sure of that. > > > >

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Gerhard Mack wrote: > On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, James A. Sutherland wrote: > > > Except this isn't possible with the hardware in question! If it were, there > > would be no problem. In cases where the hardware doesn't support the > > functionality us

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000, Alan Cox wrote: > > changing settings. If I plug in a hotplug soundcard and load the driver, I do > > NOT want the driver to decide to set some settings. If I want settings set, > > I'll do it myself (or have a script to do it). > > How about if your stuff is already nicely

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000, Gerhard Mack wrote: > On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, James A. Sutherland wrote: > > > On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Gerhard Mack wrote: > > > Sure .. lets see you start a laptop in class or buisness meeting and have > > > everyone turn to look at you wondering

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-07 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000, Gerhard Mack wrote: > > Then none of this is relevant to you, since you can't unload any modules! And > > now you're the one doing the trolling... WTF do you think module code is > > supposed to do when you don't use modules?! > > > > Simple ... I'd rather the hardware was

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-07 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Horst von Brand wrote: > "James A. Sutherland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Horst von Brand wrote: > > [...] > > > > The problem (AFAIU) is that if the levels aren't set on startup, they are > > >

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-07 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000, Alan Cox wrote: > > When I plug it in and modprobe is triggered to load the driver, a script then > > runs to feed the device appropriate configuration info. Since the driver only > > resets the hardware when it is given the correct configuration, there's no > > problem. > >

Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]

2000-11-07 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000, Alan Cox wrote: > > In the NIC example, I might well want the DHCP client to run whenever I > > activate the card. Bringing the NIC up with the old configuration - which, with > > dynamic IP addresses, could now include someone else's IP address! - is worse > > than useless.

Re: Installing kernel 2.4

2000-11-08 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000, Horst von Brand wrote: > "Jeff V. Merkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > [...] > > > Your way out in the weeds. What started this thread was a customer who > > ended up loading the wrong arch on a system and hanging. I have to > > post a kernel RPM for our release, and

Re: Installing kernel 2.4

2000-11-08 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000, George Anzinger wrote: > But, here the customer did run the configure code (he said he did not > change anything). Isn't this where the machine should be diagnosed and > the right options chosen? Need a way to say it is a cross build, but > that shouldn't be too hard. Why

Re: Installing kernel 2.4

2000-11-08 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000, George Anzinger wrote: > "James A. Sutherland" wrote: > > > > On Wed, 08 Nov 2000, George Anzinger wrote: > > > But, here the customer did run the configure code (he said he did not > > > change anything). Isn't this where the mach

Re: Installing kernel 2.4

2000-11-09 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, David Woodhouse wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > I think a default whereby the kernel built will run on any > > Linux-capable machine of that architecture would be sensible - so if I > > grab the 2.4.0t10 tarball and build it now, with no changes, I'll be > > able to

Re: bzImage ~ 900K with i386 test11-pre2

2000-11-11 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Sat, 11 Nov 2000, Max Inux wrote: > >gzip, actually. I can verify here "make bzImage" does the expected thing > >and it looks normal-sized to me. > > I believe there is zImage (gzip) and bzImage (bzip2). (Or is it compress > vs gzip, but then why bzImage vs gzImage?) Neither. They are both

Re: Dual XEON - >>SLOW<< on SMP

2000-11-13 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 08:26:55PM +0100, Marc Lehmann wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 04:03:25PM -0700, "Jeff V. Merkey" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Marc Lehman verified that PII systems will generate tons of AGIs with > > > gcc. > >

Re: XMMS not working on 2.4.0-test11-pre7

2000-11-19 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, David Ford wrote: > > My guess is that it's a plugin, the source for xmms doesn't have "cpuinfo" anywhere >in it. > > -d > > Gianluca Anzolin wrote: > > > it seems there has been a change in the format of the /proc/cpuinfo file: infact >'flags: ' became 'features: ' > >

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-17 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Dennis wrote: > At 07:01 PM 02/16/2001, Alan Olsen wrote: > >On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Dennis wrote: > > > > > There is much truth to the concept, although Microsoft should not be ones > > > to comment on it as such. > > > >What truth? I have seen more "innovation" in the Open

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-17 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Michael Bacarella wrote: > On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 02:38:29PM -0500, Dennis wrote: > > >It's not about facts, it's not about the truth, it's not about Jim > > >Allchin being an idiot or deluded. It's about propaganda, > > >misinformation, and marketing. It's about business.

Re: [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init

2001-03-23 Thread James A. Sutherland
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Guest section DW wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 08:48:54PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Patrick O'Rourke wrote: > > > > Since the system will panic if the init process is chosen by > > > the OOM killer, the following patch prevents