Re: [kbuild-devel] [PATCH] automatic multi-part link rules (fwd)

2001-05-01 Thread Peter Samuelson


[Kai Germaschewski]
> However, I don't think it's hard to verify that my patch works as
> well, it's about ten lines added to Rules.make.  It's particularly
> easy to verify that it doesn't change behavior for objects listed in
> $(list-multi) at all.

Yes, we can say this, but people are right to be paranoid.  Remember
that the first version of your patch (several months ago) required a
particular version of GNU Make

I submitted a cleanup patch for 2.2.18pre that was 100% safe in that it
just made use of a script that was already in the tree
(scripts/kwhich).  But sure enough, it broke for users of older Red Hat
installations who were still on bash 1.x.  It seems scripts/kwhich
hadn't been used that way before, so nobody had noticed that it didn't
work with bash 1.

That said, I think your current version is in fact bug-free and if it
were up to me I would put it in the tree.  But I also understand why
others are hesitant to trust it.  The bugs it fixes are fairly minor,
after all.

Peter
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Re: [kbuild-devel] [PATCH] automatic multi-part link rules (fwd)

2001-05-01 Thread Kai Germaschewski

On Tue, 1 May 2001, J . A . Magallon wrote:

> On 05.01 Keith Owens wrote:
> >
> > The patch appears to work but is it worth applying now?  The existing
> > 2.4 rules work fine and the entire kbuild system will be rewritten for
> > 2.5, including the case you identified here.  It struck me as a decent
> > change but for no benefit and, given that the 2.4 kbuild system is so
> > fragile, why not live with something we know works until 2.5 is
> > available?

Well, yes, that's an argument. However, I don't think it's hard to verify
that my patch works as well, it's about ten lines added to Rules.make.
It's particularly easy to verify that it doesn't change behavior for
objects listed in $(list-multi) at all.

> We will have to live with 2.4 until 2.6, 'cause 2.5 will not be stable.
> 2.4 will be the stable and non "brain damaged" kernel in distros.
> So every thing that can make 2.4 more clean, better. Think in 2.4.57,
> and we still are in 4. And feature backports, and new drivers...
> The 2.5 rewrite is not excuse. The knowledge on the actual state, yes.

Yes, 2.4 will be around for a long time from now. Of course, no
experimental changes should be done now, but cleanup patches are applied
all the time now. Or are you arguing that we shouldn't include patches
which fix the compiler warnings either, just because it's proven that the
current behavior works?

Anyway, I also have the additional argument that the patches fixes at
least theoretical bugs, because it adds flags handling for the link rules.
I don't know if it ever happens, but one can imagine a case where foo-objs
= foo1.o foo2.o, or foo-objs = foo1.o foo2.o foo3.o, respectively,
depending on some config option. So if you go from the latter config to
the former and rebuild, foo.o won't get relinked, you end up with the old
version.

Also, the patch allows you to rewrite e.g. fs/ext2/Makefile from
---
obj-y:= acl.o balloc.o bitmap.o dir.o file.o fsync.o ialloc.o inode.o \
ioctl.o namei.o super.o symlink.o
obj-m:= $(O_TARGET)
---
to
---
obj-$(CONFIG_EXT2_FS)   += ext2.o

ext2-objs   := acl.o balloc.o bitmap.o dir.o file.o fsync.o \
   ialloc.o inode.o ioctl.o namei.o super.o symlink.o
---

which fixes another fragile aspect of the current Makefiles, which you
complained about yourself: make SUBDIRS=fs/ext2 is currently broken w.r.t
to compilation flags.

--Kai




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Re: [kbuild-devel] [PATCH] automatic multi-part link rules (fwd)

2001-05-01 Thread Kai Germaschewski

On Tue, 1 May 2001, J . A . Magallon wrote:

 On 05.01 Keith Owens wrote:
 
  The patch appears to work but is it worth applying now?  The existing
  2.4 rules work fine and the entire kbuild system will be rewritten for
  2.5, including the case you identified here.  It struck me as a decent
  change but for no benefit and, given that the 2.4 kbuild system is so
  fragile, why not live with something we know works until 2.5 is
  available?

Well, yes, that's an argument. However, I don't think it's hard to verify
that my patch works as well, it's about ten lines added to Rules.make.
It's particularly easy to verify that it doesn't change behavior for
objects listed in $(list-multi) at all.

 We will have to live with 2.4 until 2.6, 'cause 2.5 will not be stable.
 2.4 will be the stable and non brain damaged kernel in distros.
 So every thing that can make 2.4 more clean, better. Think in 2.4.57,
 and we still are in 4. And feature backports, and new drivers...
 The 2.5 rewrite is not excuse. The knowledge on the actual state, yes.

Yes, 2.4 will be around for a long time from now. Of course, no
experimental changes should be done now, but cleanup patches are applied
all the time now. Or are you arguing that we shouldn't include patches
which fix the compiler warnings either, just because it's proven that the
current behavior works?

Anyway, I also have the additional argument that the patches fixes at
least theoretical bugs, because it adds flags handling for the link rules.
I don't know if it ever happens, but one can imagine a case where foo-objs
= foo1.o foo2.o, or foo-objs = foo1.o foo2.o foo3.o, respectively,
depending on some config option. So if you go from the latter config to
the former and rebuild, foo.o won't get relinked, you end up with the old
version.

Also, the patch allows you to rewrite e.g. fs/ext2/Makefile from
---
obj-y:= acl.o balloc.o bitmap.o dir.o file.o fsync.o ialloc.o inode.o \
ioctl.o namei.o super.o symlink.o
obj-m:= $(O_TARGET)
---
to
---
obj-$(CONFIG_EXT2_FS)   += ext2.o

ext2-objs   := acl.o balloc.o bitmap.o dir.o file.o fsync.o \
   ialloc.o inode.o ioctl.o namei.o super.o symlink.o
---

which fixes another fragile aspect of the current Makefiles, which you
complained about yourself: make SUBDIRS=fs/ext2 is currently broken w.r.t
to compilation flags.

--Kai




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Re: [kbuild-devel] [PATCH] automatic multi-part link rules (fwd)

2001-05-01 Thread Peter Samuelson


[Kai Germaschewski]
 However, I don't think it's hard to verify that my patch works as
 well, it's about ten lines added to Rules.make.  It's particularly
 easy to verify that it doesn't change behavior for objects listed in
 $(list-multi) at all.

Yes, we can say this, but people are right to be paranoid.  Remember
that the first version of your patch (several months ago) required a
particular version of GNU Make

I submitted a cleanup patch for 2.2.18pre that was 100% safe in that it
just made use of a script that was already in the tree
(scripts/kwhich).  But sure enough, it broke for users of older Red Hat
installations who were still on bash 1.x.  It seems scripts/kwhich
hadn't been used that way before, so nobody had noticed that it didn't
work with bash 1.

That said, I think your current version is in fact bug-free and if it
were up to me I would put it in the tree.  But I also understand why
others are hesitant to trust it.  The bugs it fixes are fairly minor,
after all.

Peter
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Re: [kbuild-devel] [PATCH] automatic multi-part link rules (fwd)

2001-04-30 Thread Keith Owens

On Tue, 1 May 2001 01:31:20 +0200, 
"J . A . Magallon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 05.01 Keith Owens wrote:
>> The patch appears to work but is it worth applying now?  The existing
>> 2.4 rules work fine and the entire kbuild system will be rewritten for
>> 2.5
>
>We will have to live with 2.4 until 2.6, 'cause 2.5 will not be stable.
>2.4 will be the stable and non "brain damaged" kernel in distros.
>So every thing that can make 2.4 more clean, better. Think in 2.4.57,
>and we still are in 4. And feature backports, and new drivers...
>The 2.5 rewrite is not excuse. The knowledge on the actual state, yes.

But 2.4 kbuild for multi part objects already works, there is no bug to
fix or live with.  2.4 is supposed to be bug fixes only.  IMHO keeping
the existing boilerplate method for multi part objects in 2.4 is the
safer approach, don't rock the boat.

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Re: [kbuild-devel] [PATCH] automatic multi-part link rules (fwd)

2001-04-30 Thread J . A . Magallon


On 05.01 Keith Owens wrote:
> 
> The patch appears to work but is it worth applying now?  The existing
> 2.4 rules work fine and the entire kbuild system will be rewritten for
> 2.5, including the case you identified here.  It struck me as a decent
> change but for no benefit and, given that the 2.4 kbuild system is so
> fragile, why not live with something we know works until 2.5 is
> available?
> 

We will have to live with 2.4 until 2.6, 'cause 2.5 will not be stable.
2.4 will be the stable and non "brain damaged" kernel in distros.
So every thing that can make 2.4 more clean, better. Think in 2.4.57,
and we still are in 4. And feature backports, and new drivers...
The 2.5 rewrite is not excuse. The knowledge on the actual state, yes.

-- 
J.A. Magallon  #  Let the source
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  #  be with you, Luke... 

Linux werewolf 2.4.4 #1 SMP Sat Apr 28 11:45:02 CEST 2001 i686

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Re: [kbuild-devel] [PATCH] automatic multi-part link rules (fwd)

2001-04-30 Thread Keith Owens

On Tue, 1 May 2001 00:43:42 +0200 (CEST), 
Kai Germaschewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I sent this to the kbuild list about a week ago, and I received exactly
>zero replies, so I'm posting to l-k now. This may mean that the idea is
>totally stupid (but I'd like to know) or unquestionably good (that's what
>I'd prefer :), well, maybe I'll get some feedback this time.

The patch appears to work but is it worth applying now?  The existing
2.4 rules work fine and the entire kbuild system will be rewritten for
2.5, including the case you identified here.  It struck me as a decent
change but for no benefit and, given that the 2.4 kbuild system is so
fragile, why not live with something we know works until 2.5 is
available?

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[PATCH] automatic multi-part link rules (fwd)

2001-04-30 Thread Kai Germaschewski


I sent this to the kbuild list about a week ago, and I received exactly
zero replies, so I'm posting to l-k now. This may mean that the idea is
totally stupid (but I'd like to know) or unquestionably good (that's what
I'd prefer :), well, maybe I'll get some feedback this time.

SHORT VERSION:

The attached patch allows to get rid of the "list-multi := ..." lines and
link-rules for multi-part objects in all the Makefiles without breaking
any current Makefile.


-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:05:07 +0200 (CEST)
From: Kai Germaschewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [kbuild-devel] [PATCH] automatic multi-part link rules


Hi!

I'd like to get some comments on the appended patch. It removes the need
to put explicit link rules for multi-part objects in the individual
Makefiles in the subdirectores and leaves them to Rules.make instead.

I know that 2.5 kbuild will look entirely differently, but I consider this
patch useful for 2.4 as well, it's a cleanup which IMO can be applied
(after checking) to a stable kernel. (BTW: I have a lot of comments and
some code for kbuild-2.5 as well, but later).

To guarantee a smooth transition, the patch to Rules.make doesn't change
current behavior, at least with correct Makefiles. Today, a Makefile which
may build multi-part modules looks like the following:

list-multi := foo.o
foo-objs   := foo_bar1.o foo_bar2.o

obj-$(CONFIG_FOO) += foo.o

include $(TOPDIR)/Rules.make

foo.o: $(foo-objs)
$(LD) -r -o $@ $(foo-objs)

The patch ensures that for multi-part objects, which are listed in
list-multi, no automatic link rules is generated, so nothing changes
there. However, you now can remove the list-multi line and the link rule,

foo-objs := foo_bar1.o foo_bar2.o

obj-$(CONFIG_FOO) += foo.o

include $(TOPDIR)/Rules.make

and everything will still work. Actually, there is one further advantage,
i.e. the link rule is subject to the usual flags handling now. That means
that we'll recognize when the command line changes and relink the
composite module, even if the individual parts were not touched.

There is also one minor drawback, due to make limitations: Even if only
one of the composite modules in a given directory needs to be rebuilt
(because e.g. one of its sources were touched), all the others get
relinked as well. That's not much of a problem, though, since linking is
really fast, as compared to compiling.

The patch shows the needed Rules.make adaption and demonstrates the
achievable cleanup in drivers/isdn/{,*/}Makefile. It works fine here.

--Kai

Index: linux_2_4/Rules.make
diff -u linux_2_4/Rules.make:1.1.1.4 linux_2_4/Rules.make:1.1.1.4.2.1
--- linux_2_4/Rules.make:1.1.1.4Sat Apr 28 18:17:43 2001
+++ linux_2_4/Rules.makeTue May  1 00:39:40 2001
@@ -118,6 +118,24 @@
) > $(dir $@)/.$(notdir $@).flags
 endif

+#
+# Rule to link composite objects
+#
+
+# for make >= 3.78 the following is cleaner:
+# multi-used := $(foreach m,$(obj-y) $(obj-m), $(if $($(basename $(m))-objs), $(m)))
+multi-used := $(sort $(foreach m,$(obj-y) $(obj-m),$(patsubst %,$(m),$($(basename 
+$(m))-objs
+ld-multi-used := $(filter-out $(list-multi),$(multi-used))
+ld-multi-objs := $(foreach m, $(ld-multi-used), $($(basename $(m))-objs))
+
+$(ld-multi-used) : %.o: $(ld-multi-objs)
+   rm -f $@
+   $(LD) $(EXTRA_LDFLAGS) -r -o $@ $(filter $($(basename $@)-objs), $^)
+   @ ( \
+   echo 'ifeq ($(strip $(subst $(comma),:,$(LD) $(EXTRA_LDFLAGS) $($(basename 
+$@)-objs)),$$(strip $$(subst $$(comma),:,$$(LD) $$(EXTRA_LDFLAGS) $$($(basename 
+$@)-objs)' ; \
+   echo 'FILES_FLAGS_UP_TO_DATE += $@' ; \
+   echo 'endif' \
+   ) > $(dir $@)/.$(notdir $@).flags

 #
 # This make dependencies quickly
@@ -198,8 +216,7 @@
 #
 ifdef CONFIG_MODULES

-multi-used := $(filter $(list-multi), $(obj-y) $(obj-m))
-multi-objs := $(foreach m, $(multi-used), $($(basename $(m))-objs))
+multi-objs := $(foreach m, $(obj-y) $(obj-m), $($(basename $(m))-objs))
 active-objs:= $(sort $(multi-objs) $(obj-y) $(obj-m))

 ifdef CONFIG_MODVERSIONS
Index: linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/Makefile
diff -u linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/Makefile:1.1.1.2 
linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/Makefile:1.1.1.2.24.1
--- linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/Makefile:1.1.1.2 Tue Apr 24 00:50:53 2001
+++ linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/Makefile Tue May  1 00:39:58 2001
@@ -10,7 +10,6 @@

 # Multipart objects.

-list-multi := isdn.o
 isdn-objs  := isdn_net.o isdn_tty.o isdn_v110.o isdn_common.o

 # Optional parts of multipart objects.
@@ -49,8 +48,3 @@
 # The global Rules.make.

 include $(TOPDIR)/Rules.make
-
-# Link rules for multi-part drivers.
-
-isdn.o: $(isdn-objs)
-   $(LD) -r -o $@ $(isdn-objs)
Index: linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/act2000/Makefile
diff -u linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/act2000/Makefile:1.1.1.1 
linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/act2000/Makefile:1.1.1.1.28.1
--- 

[PATCH] automatic multi-part link rules (fwd)

2001-04-30 Thread Kai Germaschewski


I sent this to the kbuild list about a week ago, and I received exactly
zero replies, so I'm posting to l-k now. This may mean that the idea is
totally stupid (but I'd like to know) or unquestionably good (that's what
I'd prefer :), well, maybe I'll get some feedback this time.

SHORT VERSION:

The attached patch allows to get rid of the list-multi := ... lines and
link-rules for multi-part objects in all the Makefiles without breaking
any current Makefile.


-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:05:07 +0200 (CEST)
From: Kai Germaschewski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [kbuild-devel] [PATCH] automatic multi-part link rules


Hi!

I'd like to get some comments on the appended patch. It removes the need
to put explicit link rules for multi-part objects in the individual
Makefiles in the subdirectores and leaves them to Rules.make instead.

I know that 2.5 kbuild will look entirely differently, but I consider this
patch useful for 2.4 as well, it's a cleanup which IMO can be applied
(after checking) to a stable kernel. (BTW: I have a lot of comments and
some code for kbuild-2.5 as well, but later).

To guarantee a smooth transition, the patch to Rules.make doesn't change
current behavior, at least with correct Makefiles. Today, a Makefile which
may build multi-part modules looks like the following:

list-multi := foo.o
foo-objs   := foo_bar1.o foo_bar2.o

obj-$(CONFIG_FOO) += foo.o

include $(TOPDIR)/Rules.make

foo.o: $(foo-objs)
$(LD) -r -o $@ $(foo-objs)

The patch ensures that for multi-part objects, which are listed in
list-multi, no automatic link rules is generated, so nothing changes
there. However, you now can remove the list-multi line and the link rule,

foo-objs := foo_bar1.o foo_bar2.o

obj-$(CONFIG_FOO) += foo.o

include $(TOPDIR)/Rules.make

and everything will still work. Actually, there is one further advantage,
i.e. the link rule is subject to the usual flags handling now. That means
that we'll recognize when the command line changes and relink the
composite module, even if the individual parts were not touched.

There is also one minor drawback, due to make limitations: Even if only
one of the composite modules in a given directory needs to be rebuilt
(because e.g. one of its sources were touched), all the others get
relinked as well. That's not much of a problem, though, since linking is
really fast, as compared to compiling.

The patch shows the needed Rules.make adaption and demonstrates the
achievable cleanup in drivers/isdn/{,*/}Makefile. It works fine here.

--Kai

Index: linux_2_4/Rules.make
diff -u linux_2_4/Rules.make:1.1.1.4 linux_2_4/Rules.make:1.1.1.4.2.1
--- linux_2_4/Rules.make:1.1.1.4Sat Apr 28 18:17:43 2001
+++ linux_2_4/Rules.makeTue May  1 00:39:40 2001
@@ -118,6 +118,24 @@
)  $(dir $@)/.$(notdir $@).flags
 endif

+#
+# Rule to link composite objects
+#
+
+# for make = 3.78 the following is cleaner:
+# multi-used := $(foreach m,$(obj-y) $(obj-m), $(if $($(basename $(m))-objs), $(m)))
+multi-used := $(sort $(foreach m,$(obj-y) $(obj-m),$(patsubst %,$(m),$($(basename 
+$(m))-objs
+ld-multi-used := $(filter-out $(list-multi),$(multi-used))
+ld-multi-objs := $(foreach m, $(ld-multi-used), $($(basename $(m))-objs))
+
+$(ld-multi-used) : %.o: $(ld-multi-objs)
+   rm -f $@
+   $(LD) $(EXTRA_LDFLAGS) -r -o $@ $(filter $($(basename $@)-objs), $^)
+   @ ( \
+   echo 'ifeq ($(strip $(subst $(comma),:,$(LD) $(EXTRA_LDFLAGS) $($(basename 
+$@)-objs)),$$(strip $$(subst $$(comma),:,$$(LD) $$(EXTRA_LDFLAGS) $$($(basename 
+$@)-objs)' ; \
+   echo 'FILES_FLAGS_UP_TO_DATE += $@' ; \
+   echo 'endif' \
+   )  $(dir $@)/.$(notdir $@).flags

 #
 # This make dependencies quickly
@@ -198,8 +216,7 @@
 #
 ifdef CONFIG_MODULES

-multi-used := $(filter $(list-multi), $(obj-y) $(obj-m))
-multi-objs := $(foreach m, $(multi-used), $($(basename $(m))-objs))
+multi-objs := $(foreach m, $(obj-y) $(obj-m), $($(basename $(m))-objs))
 active-objs:= $(sort $(multi-objs) $(obj-y) $(obj-m))

 ifdef CONFIG_MODVERSIONS
Index: linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/Makefile
diff -u linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/Makefile:1.1.1.2 
linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/Makefile:1.1.1.2.24.1
--- linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/Makefile:1.1.1.2 Tue Apr 24 00:50:53 2001
+++ linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/Makefile Tue May  1 00:39:58 2001
@@ -10,7 +10,6 @@

 # Multipart objects.

-list-multi := isdn.o
 isdn-objs  := isdn_net.o isdn_tty.o isdn_v110.o isdn_common.o

 # Optional parts of multipart objects.
@@ -49,8 +48,3 @@
 # The global Rules.make.

 include $(TOPDIR)/Rules.make
-
-# Link rules for multi-part drivers.
-
-isdn.o: $(isdn-objs)
-   $(LD) -r -o $@ $(isdn-objs)
Index: linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/act2000/Makefile
diff -u linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/act2000/Makefile:1.1.1.1 
linux_2_4/drivers/isdn/act2000/Makefile:1.1.1.1.28.1
--- 

Re: [kbuild-devel] [PATCH] automatic multi-part link rules (fwd)

2001-04-30 Thread Keith Owens

On Tue, 1 May 2001 00:43:42 +0200 (CEST), 
Kai Germaschewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I sent this to the kbuild list about a week ago, and I received exactly
zero replies, so I'm posting to l-k now. This may mean that the idea is
totally stupid (but I'd like to know) or unquestionably good (that's what
I'd prefer :), well, maybe I'll get some feedback this time.

The patch appears to work but is it worth applying now?  The existing
2.4 rules work fine and the entire kbuild system will be rewritten for
2.5, including the case you identified here.  It struck me as a decent
change but for no benefit and, given that the 2.4 kbuild system is so
fragile, why not live with something we know works until 2.5 is
available?

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Re: [kbuild-devel] [PATCH] automatic multi-part link rules (fwd)

2001-04-30 Thread J . A . Magallon


On 05.01 Keith Owens wrote:
 
 The patch appears to work but is it worth applying now?  The existing
 2.4 rules work fine and the entire kbuild system will be rewritten for
 2.5, including the case you identified here.  It struck me as a decent
 change but for no benefit and, given that the 2.4 kbuild system is so
 fragile, why not live with something we know works until 2.5 is
 available?
 

We will have to live with 2.4 until 2.6, 'cause 2.5 will not be stable.
2.4 will be the stable and non brain damaged kernel in distros.
So every thing that can make 2.4 more clean, better. Think in 2.4.57,
and we still are in 4. And feature backports, and new drivers...
The 2.5 rewrite is not excuse. The knowledge on the actual state, yes.

-- 
J.A. Magallon  #  Let the source
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  #  be with you, Luke... 

Linux werewolf 2.4.4 #1 SMP Sat Apr 28 11:45:02 CEST 2001 i686

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Re: [kbuild-devel] [PATCH] automatic multi-part link rules (fwd)

2001-04-30 Thread Keith Owens

On Tue, 1 May 2001 01:31:20 +0200, 
J . A . Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 05.01 Keith Owens wrote:
 The patch appears to work but is it worth applying now?  The existing
 2.4 rules work fine and the entire kbuild system will be rewritten for
 2.5

We will have to live with 2.4 until 2.6, 'cause 2.5 will not be stable.
2.4 will be the stable and non brain damaged kernel in distros.
So every thing that can make 2.4 more clean, better. Think in 2.4.57,
and we still are in 4. And feature backports, and new drivers...
The 2.5 rewrite is not excuse. The knowledge on the actual state, yes.

But 2.4 kbuild for multi part objects already works, there is no bug to
fix or live with.  2.4 is supposed to be bug fixes only.  IMHO keeping
the existing boilerplate method for multi part objects in 2.4 is the
safer approach, don't rock the boat.

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