Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-27 Thread Roberto Ragusa
VDR User wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: * At the peak, you will get the maximum quality * falling down the slope to the left and right you will get falling signal strengths * Still rolling down, you will get increasing ERROR's, with still

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-27 Thread Manu Abraham
Devin Heitmueller wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, of course. Here is an updated list based on the information that you accumulated. I have corrected some of them, which were not accurate. Before I comment any further on your email,

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-25 Thread Devin Heitmueller
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: Mika Laitio wrote: That said, the solution takes the approach of revolutionary as opposed to evolutionary, which always worries me.  While providing a much more powerful interface, it also means all of the applications

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-25 Thread Manu Abraham
Devin Heitmueller wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: Mika Laitio wrote: That said, the solution takes the approach of revolutionary as opposed to evolutionary, which always worries me. While providing a much more powerful interface, it also

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-25 Thread Devin Heitmueller
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, of course. Here is an updated list based on the information that you accumulated. I have corrected some of them, which were not accurate. Before I comment any further on your email, could you please clarify what

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-24 Thread Devin Heitmueller
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Devin Heitmueller devin.heitmuel...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, well this literally kept me up all night pondering the various options. Manu's idea has alot of merit - providing a completely new API that provides the raw data without translation as well as a way to

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-24 Thread Manu Abraham
Devin Heitmueller wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Devin Heitmueller devin.heitmuel...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, well this literally kept me up all night pondering the various options. Manu's idea has alot of merit - providing a completely new API that provides the raw data without

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-24 Thread Mika Laitio
That said, the solution takes the approach of revolutionary as opposed to evolutionary, which always worries me. While providing a much more powerful interface, it also means all of the applications will have to properly support all of the various possible representations of the data, increasing

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-24 Thread VDR User
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: From the end user point of view it is not very usefull if he has 2 different cards and application can not show any usefull signal goodness info in a way that would be easy to compare. So I think the attempt to

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-22 Thread Manu Abraham
Andy Walls wrote: On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 10:55 +0400, Manu Abraham wrote: Manu Abraham wrote: I have been going through this thread with much interest to see where it was going. In fact, what i found after reading the emails in this thread: People would like to see standardized Signal

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-21 Thread Andy Walls
On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 10:55 +0400, Manu Abraham wrote: Manu Abraham wrote: I have been going through this thread with much interest to see where it was going. In fact, what i found after reading the emails in this thread: People would like to see standardized Signal stats in

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-20 Thread Manu Abraham
Manu Abraham wrote: Devin Heitmueller wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Trent Piepho xy...@speakeasy.org wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Trent Piepho wrote: Since the driver often needs to use a logarithm from dvb-math to find SNR, you have code like this in the driver (from lgdt3305.c):

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-20 Thread Devin Heitmueller
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: When you position an antenna, you do not get a LOCK in most cases. The signal statistics for any demodulator are valid only with a frontend LOCK. This is absolutely true, and a very common problem in the drivers (at

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-20 Thread Devin Heitmueller
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Trent Piepho xy...@speakeasy.org wrote: The argument being put forth is based on the relative efficiency of the multiply versus divide opcodes on modern CPU architectures??  And Maybe I just like writing efficient code to do interesting things? Wow, um, ok.

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-20 Thread VDR User
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Manu Abraham abraham.m...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that said positioning could be explained for those who on't have an understanding on how to do it. Let's assume, currently at position X there is no signal, no frontend LOCK. You can move the antenna to the

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-20 Thread Trent Piepho
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Devin Heitmueller wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Trent Piepho xy...@speakeasy.org wrote: The argument being put forth is based on the relative efficiency of the multiply versus divide opcodes on modern CPU architectures?? ?And Maybe I just like writing

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-19 Thread Mauro Carvalho Chehab
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Trent Piepho xy...@speakeasy.org wrote: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Devin Heitmueller wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Trent Piepho xy...@speakeasy.org wrote: I like 8.8 fixed point a lot better.  It gives more precision.  The range is more in

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-19 Thread Devin Heitmueller
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Trent Piepho xy...@speakeasy.org wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Trent Piepho wrote: Since the driver often needs to use a logarithm from dvb-math to find SNR, you have code like this in the driver (from lgdt3305.c):         /* report SNR in dB * 10 */        

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-19 Thread Manu Abraham
Devin Heitmueller wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Trent Piepho xy...@speakeasy.org wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Trent Piepho wrote: Since the driver often needs to use a logarithm from dvb-math to find SNR, you have code like this in the driver (from lgdt3305.c): /* report SNR

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-15 Thread wk
Devin Heitmueller schrieb: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, VDR User user@gmail.com wrote: Just wanted to comment that I'm glad there is a lot of interest in this. I've heard endless talk confusion on the user end over the years as to the accuracy of the values, or in some cases (as

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-13 Thread Devin Heitmueller
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Ang Way Chuang wc...@nav6.org wrote: Yes, please :) Yeah, Michael Krufky and I were discussing it in more detail yesterday on the #linuxtv ML. Essentially there are a few issues: 1. Getting everyone to agree on the definition of SNR, and what units to

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-13 Thread VDR User
Just wanted to comment that I'm glad there is a lot of interest in this. I've heard endless talk confusion on the user end over the years as to the accuracy of the values, or in some cases (as with Genpix adapters for example) where you don't seem to get any useful information. Of course making

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-13 Thread Devin Heitmueller
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, VDR User user@gmail.com wrote: Just wanted to comment that I'm glad there is a lot of interest in this.  I've heard endless talk confusion on the user end over the years as to the accuracy of the values, or in some cases (as with Genpix adapters for

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-13 Thread Trent Piepho
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Devin Heitmueller wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Trent Piepho xy...@speakeasy.org wrote: I like 8.8 fixed point a lot better. ?It gives more precision. ?The range is more in line with that the range of real SNRs are. ?Computers are binary, so the math can end

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-13 Thread Andy Walls
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 10:27 -0400, Devin Heitmueller wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Ang Way Chuang wc...@nav6.org wrote: Yes, please :) Yeah, Michael Krufky and I were discussing it in more detail yesterday on the #linuxtv ML. Essentially there are a few issues: 1. Getting

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-13 Thread Trent Piepho
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Andy Walls wrote: On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 10:27 -0400, Devin Heitmueller wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Ang Way Chuang wc...@nav6.org wrote: Yes, please :) Yeah, Michael Krufky and I were discussing it in more detail yesterday on the #linuxtv ML.

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-13 Thread Andy Walls
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 18:34 -0700, Trent Piepho wrote: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Andy Walls wrote: On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 10:27 -0400, Devin Heitmueller wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Ang Way Chuang wc...@nav6.org wrote: Yes, please :) Yeah, Michael Krufky and I were

Re: The right way to interpret the content of SNR, signal strength and BER from HVR 4000 Lite

2009-03-12 Thread Ang Way Chuang
VDR User wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Ang Way Chuang wc...@nav6.org wrote: Hi all, I've looked through the mailing list and there seems to be no standard way to interpret to content of SNR, signal strength and BER returned from the DVB API. So, I wonder if someone knows how to