Re: dvb-apps: Additional channels for Netherlands
On 16-03-13 16:13, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: On 15.03.2013 13:07, Oliver Schinagl wrote: On 698 MHz we have NTS1 (Bouquet 2) which is on a code rate of 1/2. Still I cannot make them working. More exactly: This works (722 MHz): xine dvb://Nederland 1 xine dvb://Nederland 2 xine dvb://Nederland 3 These do not (522 MHz and 698 MHz): xine dvb://Nickelodeon xine dvb://RTL 4 ... I don't 522 or 698 MHz, RTL4 is on 768 MHz here in Eindhoven. Try scanning with w_scan; wscan tells you exactly where what exactly is. It can produce an inital scanning file. Send me and I'll fix it up for you. Thanks for hint. I have tried w_scan, it also does not show the signal level: tune to: QAM_AUTO f = 722000 kHz I999B8C999D999T999G999Y999 (time: 04:48) service = Nederland 1 (Digitenne) service = Nederland 2 (Digitenne) service = Nederland 3 (Digitenne) service = TV West (Digitenne) service = Radio West (Digitenne) service = Radio 1 (Digitenne) service = Radio 2 (Digitenne) service = 3FM (Digitenne) service = Radio 4 (Digitenne) service = Radio 5 (Digitenne) service = Radio 6 (Digitenne) service = FunX (Digitenne) new transponder: (QAM_64 f = 546000 kHz I999B8C12D0T8G4Y0) 0x405A new transponder: (QAM_64 f = 49 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0) 0x405A new transponder: (QAM_64 f = 474000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0) 0x405A updating transponder: (QAM_64 f = 474000 kHz I999B8C23D0T8G4Y0) 0x405A to (QAM_64 f = 474000 kHz I999B8C12D0T8G4Y0) 0x405A new transponder: (QAM_64 f = 506000 kHz I999B8C12D0T8G4Y0) 0x405A I attach my channels.conf, generated by scan utility. It looks to be complete. It can be the case the signal is better on 722 MHz... Could you share your channels.conf? Are there any specific options you pass to scan utility? But it's likely I need to buy better antenna. Can scan utility show the signal level? Try tzap to tune to a channel, depending on your driver, it should output some rudimentary signal strength. tzap shows something in column signal but it is so cryptic: Yes, signal strenght isn't the best to read, but let it run for a little bit. Your ber isn't great but you have unc's UNC = Unrecoverable Error. This can usually be seen on screen or heard. unc should be 0 for 'perfect' image. So it looks like a bad signal reception to me, which could be the reason you are not receiving everything. $ tzap -c channels.conf Nederland 1 using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0' reading channels from file 'channels.conf' tuning to 72200 Hz video pid 0x1b63, audio pid 0x1b64 status 0f | signal 8f7d | snr 006e | ber 001f | unc 010a | status 1f | signal 8e9f | snr 007b | ber 000a5010 | unc 000c | FE_HAS_LOCK status 1f | signal 8e2e | snr 0078 | ber 00084ed0 | unc 0005 | FE_HAS_LOCK Signal is indeed important, Remember that RTL4 etc are all encrypted and need a hardware cam or softcam (oscam) to properly work. Now I see! What channels are open? For example, are Nickelodeon and Investigation Discovery opened? What about radio (BBC/Radio West/...)? Nou, only Boequet 1 is Free to Air, that is NL1, NL2, NL3 and Omroep West in your case. The rest is all encrypted! I have found a description about how to watch encrypted DVB-T broadcasts in the Netherlands https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Digitenne and also good oscam tips http://openpli.org/wiki/OScam. The first one reads that I need smartreader + Digitenne smartcard. I see that smartcards are sold on marktplaats for €10 http://www.marktplaats.nl/z/audio-tv-en-foto/smartcard-digitenne.html?query=smartcard+digitennecategoryId=31numberOfResultsPerPage=100. Digitenne claims that there are these channels available: but I don't see even half of them in my channels list. In general that's is a big challenge to make it running on Linux. Perhaps buying a receiver is easier. Have you any experience? Answering this off list, as its too offtopic. Thanks! -- With best regards, Dmitry -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: dvb-apps: Additional channels for Netherlands
On 15-03-13 00:33, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: On 11.03.2013 13:10, Oliver Schinagl wrote: and what is interesting the comments refer to radio-stations only. TV zenderlijst is pure DVB-T frequencies. I have not found a single FM frequency there. Note that if you open it via their website, there are two lists, FM zenderlijst and TV zenderlijst. I see. I think I have overlooked something. You are probably using an old scan file. I pushed an updated version a week or two ago. I'm still working on an automated way to have daily frequency releases, but even then it can take a while before packagers pick it up. Until then, you are free to use: http://git.linuxtv.org/dtv-scan-tables.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/dvb-t/nl-All Great! Thanks for updating the nl-All file. What will be the dvb-apps future version which will include the fix? We've split the dvb-tables from dvb-apps, so never :p I'll work in the next few weeks on having 'releases' when there are changes so that package maintainers can start picking it up. Also what is the relation between git repo you've referred and this repo: http://linuxtv.org/hg/dvb-apps/log/f3a70b206f0f/util/scan/dvb-t/nl-All ? As for your patch, I think it's wrong. On 522 Mhz (through the country, Delft as well) we have NTS4 (Bouquet 5) which is on a 2/3 coding rate, in your patch it's at 1/2. You're absolutely correct. Perhaps that is the reason why I cannot watch TV on 522 MHz. Very likly ;) On 698 MHz we have NTS1 (Bouquet 2) which is on a code rate of 1/2. Still I cannot make them working. More exactly: This works (722 MHz): xine dvb://Nederland 1 xine dvb://Nederland 2 xine dvb://Nederland 3 These do not (522 MHz and 698 MHz): xine dvb://Nickelodeon xine dvb://RTL 4 ... I don't 522 or 698 MHz, RTL4 is on 768 MHz here in Eindhoven. Try scanning with w_scan; wscan tells you exactly where what exactly is. It can produce an inital scanning file. Send me and I'll fix it up for you. It can be the case the signal is better on 722 MHz... Could you share your channels.conf? Are there any specific options you pass to scan utility? But it's likely I need to buy better antenna. Can scan utility show the signal level? Try tzap to tune to a channel, depending on your driver, it should output some rudimentary signal strength. Signal is indeed important, Remember that RTL4 etc are all encrypted and need a hardware cam or softcam (oscam) to properly work. Thanks. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: dvb-apps: Additional channels for Netherlands
On 11.03.2013 13:10, Oliver Schinagl wrote: and what is interesting the comments refer to radio-stations only. TV zenderlijst is pure DVB-T frequencies. I have not found a single FM frequency there. Note that if you open it via their website, there are two lists, FM zenderlijst and TV zenderlijst. I see. I think I have overlooked something. You are probably using an old scan file. I pushed an updated version a week or two ago. I'm still working on an automated way to have daily frequency releases, but even then it can take a while before packagers pick it up. Until then, you are free to use: http://git.linuxtv.org/dtv-scan-tables.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/dvb-t/nl-All Great! Thanks for updating the nl-All file. What will be the dvb-apps future version which will include the fix? Also what is the relation between git repo you've referred and this repo: http://linuxtv.org/hg/dvb-apps/log/f3a70b206f0f/util/scan/dvb-t/nl-All ? As for your patch, I think it's wrong. On 522 Mhz (through the country, Delft as well) we have NTS4 (Bouquet 5) which is on a 2/3 coding rate, in your patch it's at 1/2. You're absolutely correct. Perhaps that is the reason why I cannot watch TV on 522 MHz. On 698 MHz we have NTS1 (Bouquet 2) which is on a code rate of 1/2. Still I cannot make them working. More exactly: This works (722 MHz): xine dvb://Nederland 1 xine dvb://Nederland 2 xine dvb://Nederland 3 These do not (522 MHz and 698 MHz): xine dvb://Nickelodeon xine dvb://RTL 4 ... It can be the case the signal is better on 722 MHz... Could you share your channels.conf? Are there any specific options you pass to scan utility? But it's likely I need to buy better antenna. Can scan utility show the signal level? Thanks. -- With best regards, Dmitry -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: dvb-apps: Additional channels for Netherlands
On 09-03-13 15:45, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: Dear LinuxTV developers, Hoi Dimitry, When I was playing with scan utility, I paid attention to comments in file /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/nl-All # The Netherlands, whole country # Created from http://radio-tv-nederland.nl/TV%20zenderlijst%20Nederland.xls # and http://radio-tv-nederland.nl/dvbt/dvbt-lokaal.html and what is interesting the comments refer to radio-stations only. TV zenderlijst is pure DVB-T frequencies. I have not found a single FM frequency there. Note that if you open it via their website, there are two lists, FM zenderlijst and TV zenderlijst. After I have completed the scan (I leave in the Netherlands in Delft area) I have not found few TV stations. I think that the list is missing 522MHz and 698MHz. After I have added them (see patch file), I was able to complete the scan. However I think that I have made an error, because I can't watch TV channels fount on the newly added frequencies. Can somebody help me to improve nl-All file? You are probably using an old scan file. I pushed an updated version a week or two ago. I'm still working on an automated way to have daily frequency releases, but even then it can take a while before packagers pick it up. Until then, you are free to use: http://git.linuxtv.org/dtv-scan-tables.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/dvb-t/nl-All As for your patch, I think it's wrong. On 522 Mhz (through the country, Delft as well) we have NTS4 (Bouquet 5) which is on a 2/3 coding rate, in your patch it's at 1/2. On 698 MHz we have NTS1 (Bouquet 2) which is on a code rate of 1/2. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks. Additional links: http://dvbt4all.nl/digitenne/zenders/zuid-holland-noord/delft/ http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-T-frequenties -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
