Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-23 Thread Bill Davidsen
Louis-David Mitterrand wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 01:48:50PM +0400, Michael Tokarev wrote: There still is - at least for ext[23]. Even offline resizers can't do resizes from any to any size, extfs developers recommend to recreate filesystem anyway if size changes significantly. I'm too l

Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-22 Thread Louis-David Mitterrand
On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 01:48:50PM +0400, Michael Tokarev wrote: > > There still is - at least for ext[23]. Even offline resizers > can't do resizes from any to any size, extfs developers recommend > to recreate filesystem anyway if size changes significantly. > I'm too lazy to find a reference n

Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-09 Thread Neil Brown
On Tuesday October 9, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello Neil , > > On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Neil Brown wrote: > > On Tuesday October 9, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> Problems at step 4.: 'man mdadm' doesn't tell if it's possible to > >> grow an array to a degraded array (non existant disc). I

Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-09 Thread Mr. James W. Laferriere
Hello Neil , On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Neil Brown wrote: On Tuesday October 9, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problems at step 4.: 'man mdadm' doesn't tell if it's possible to grow an array to a degraded array (non existant disc). Is it possible? Why not experiment with loop devices on files and

Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-09 Thread Janek Kozicki
Michael Tokarev said: (by the date of Tue, 09 Oct 2007 02:52:06 +0400) > Janek Kozicki wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Recently I started to use mdadm and I'm very impressed by its > > capabilities. > > > > I have raid0 (250+250 GB) on my workstation. And I want to have > > raid5 (4*500 = 1500 GB

Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-09 Thread Janek Kozicki
Neil Brown said: (by the date of Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:32:09 +1000) > On Tuesday October 9, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Problems at step 4.: 'man mdadm' doesn't tell if it's possible to > > grow an array to a degraded array (non existant disc). Is it possible? > > Why not experiment with l

Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-09 Thread Michael Tokarev
Neil Brown wrote: > On Tuesday October 9, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [] >> o During this reshape time, errors may be fatal to the whole array - >> while mdadm do have a sense of "critical section", but the >> whole procedure isn't as much tested as the rest of raid code, >> I for one will not r

Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-08 Thread Neil Brown
On Tuesday October 9, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Problems at step 4.: 'man mdadm' doesn't tell if it's possible to > grow an array to a degraded array (non existant disc). Is it possible? Why not experiment with loop devices on files and find out? But yes: you can grow to a degraded array pro

Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-08 Thread Neil Brown
On Tuesday October 9, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > o degraded raid5 isn't really Raid - i.e, it's not any better than > a raid0 array, that is, any disk fails => the whole array fails. > So instead of creating a degraded raid5 array initially, create > smaller one instead, but not degraded,

RE: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-08 Thread Guy Watkins
} -Original Message- } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:linux-raid- } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janek Kozicki } Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:47 PM } To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org } Subject: Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs } } Janek Kozicki said

Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-08 Thread Michael Tokarev
Janek Kozicki wrote: > Hello, > > Recently I started to use mdadm and I'm very impressed by its > capabilities. > > I have raid0 (250+250 GB) on my workstation. And I want to have > raid5 (4*500 = 1500 GB) on my backup machine. Hmm. Are you sure you need that much space on the backup, to start

Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-08 Thread Janek Kozicki
Janek Kozicki said: (by the date of Tue, 9 Oct 2007 00:25:50 +0200) > Richard Scobie said: (by the date of Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:26:35 +1300) > > > No, but you can make a degraded 3 drive array, containing 2 drives and > > then add the next drive to complete it. > > > > The array can then

Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-08 Thread Janek Kozicki
Richard Scobie said: (by the date of Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:26:35 +1300) > No, but you can make a degraded 3 drive array, containing 2 drives and > then add the next drive to complete it. > > The array can then be grown (man mdadm, GROW section), to add the fourth. Oh, good. Thanks, I must've

RE: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-08 Thread Guy Watkins
} -Original Message- } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:linux-raid- } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Scobie } Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:27 PM } To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org } Subject: Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs } } Janek Kozicki wrote

Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-08 Thread Richard Scobie
Janek Kozicki wrote: Is it possible anyhow to create a "very degraded" raid array - a one that consists of 4 drives, but has only TWO ? No, but you can make a degraded 3 drive array, containing 2 drives and then add the next drive to complete it. The array can then be grown (man mdadm, GROW

Re: very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-08 Thread Justin Piszcz
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Janek Kozicki wrote: Hello, Recently I started to use mdadm and I'm very impressed by its capabilities. I have raid0 (250+250 GB) on my workstation. And I want to have raid5 (4*500 = 1500 GB) on my backup machine. The backup machine currently doesn't have raid, just a si

very degraded RAID5, or increasing capacity by adding discs

2007-10-08 Thread Janek Kozicki
Hello, Recently I started to use mdadm and I'm very impressed by its capabilities. I have raid0 (250+250 GB) on my workstation. And I want to have raid5 (4*500 = 1500 GB) on my backup machine. The backup machine currently doesn't have raid, just a single 500 GB drive. I plan to buy more HDDs to