Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Jason
Agreed, says Jason running a PII 300MHz with 512MB RAM. =) Chad wrote: On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 01:19, Jason wrote: Couldn't pass up on this ;)...Sure Gentoo takes a bit of time and effort to install but it's worth it. You get a stable system without the bloat. Optimizing package is easy, you simply

Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003

2003-06-09 Thread Nick Brettell
- Original Message - From: Christopher Sawtell Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003 [...] Members who need help to sort out problems, please make you needs known. I think the capacity of the mains supply limits the number of

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Paul
If you dont want bloat then the flamesuitdistro to use s LFS :) /flamesuit -Paul

Re: OSS bloatware on old hardware (Was: Publicise open source?)

2003-06-09 Thread Philip Charles
On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: WP8 cannot be given to the charity in question because it's not free AFAIK. Correct, but there are abundant copies on old Linux distros. And one could copy those distros... (It's on SuSE 6.2, 6.3, 7.0, not on 7.2 on; the pay section of SuSE's ftp

Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003

2003-06-09 Thread Benjamin Devine
I would like to bring a server along to install debian on. does anyone have any disks. It has SCSI so i don't know how to go about it. I just want some Advanced Guidance |Ben Nick Brettell said: - Original Message - From: Christopher Sawtell Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:20 PM

Re: Hardware

2003-06-09 Thread Benjamin Devine
how much would it cost if i bought ten im going to make a distubuted computing cluster |Thanks Ben Adam said: Hello all, Apologies if this sort of post is not allowed I have about 15 boxes that I want to get rid of, brought them awhile ago and realise that They aint quite what I need.

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 07:25:11AM +1200, Simon Hansman wrote: And optimization does work. I've got an Athlon XP 1600+ and Gentoo starts KDE in at least 2/3s the time of Mandrake. It may start faster, but this very little to do with compiler optimizations. What else is different on the

Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003

2003-06-09 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 18:26, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Christopher Sawtell Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003 [...] Members who need help to sort out problems, please make you needs known. I think the capacity

Oops My Bad

2003-06-09 Thread Benjamin Devine
dammn i hate it when i reply to the WHOLE list Soz to every one *ben sits on seat in corner*

Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003

2003-06-09 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 19:00, you wrote: I would like to bring a server along to install debian on. does anyone have any disks. Yes, as soon as Rik launches the boomerang back home. :-) It has SCSI so i don't know how to go about it. What make / model of host adaptor have you got? I just want

Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003

2003-06-09 Thread Nick Rout
tried installing from knoppix, then apt-get removing the bits you don't want? I have installed debian from scratch before, but not for a while. On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 19:00:20+1200(NZST) Benjamin Devine[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to bring a server along to install debian on. does

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Dale Anderson
I must be an odd one then ...I have built it numerous times on anything from a p120 to my desktop (only a p3 733 sdram baby)(and the first few times were over dialup lol) , I REALLY like the package management though ;-) and like the ability to build an os how I want it . Cheers Dale. On

Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003

2003-06-09 Thread Benjamin Devine
thx for the replies Nick i will try that with knoppix but if that doesn't work i will bring it along to the meeting. Thanks ps. C.S you wnated to know what scsi adapter it was adaptec AIC-7850 / AIC-7880 there is two man my footer is way tooo big Nick Rout said: tried installing from knoppix,

Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003

2003-06-09 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 20:40, you wrote: thx for the replies Nick i will try that with knoppix but if that doesn't work i will bring it along to the meeting. Thanks ps. C.S you wnated to know what scsi adapter it was adaptec AIC-7850 / AIC-7880 there is two There is a driver for the AIC-7880

Re: Linux for Windows Programmers

2003-06-09 Thread Wesley Parish
Then there's that monumentally thick Wrox book, Professional Linux Programming. Covers practically everything from cvs to GTK and QT to Postgres to php, etc ... I don't know if it's still being printed though - Wrox was reported to be going through some difficult times. Wesley Parish On

Re: Hardware

2003-06-09 Thread Wesley Parish
How much are they going for? And where would you be - I can't travel outside of CHCH - ain't got no car. Wesley Parish On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 12:24, Adam wrote: Hello all, Apologies if this sort of post is not allowed I have about 15 boxes that I want to get rid of, brought them awhile

bootsplash

2003-06-09 Thread Daniel Fone
Hello list! I am trying to get a system similar to MDK's bootsplash working on a knoppix box. Does anyone know where I should start? I get the distinct impression from many manuals that it has something to do with frame buffering. I suspect, given the graphical nature of the Knoppix boot, that

Free books for download

2003-06-09 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
http://www.vnunet.de/testticker/freedownloads/freedownloads.asp A new one every 2 days, for a month. The personal firewall's just been - bugger (someone got a copy?) In German. (Hey I don't understand your problem... ;) Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the

Re: OSS bloatware on old hardware (Was: Publicise open source?)

2003-06-09 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
Must check my archive copies of SuSE. IIRC, WP8 could be downloaded at no cost, but had to be registered. I am not certain if this still can be done. Probably not, and there's the question of whether the downloadable copy could be passed on, but I'd ignore that detail. If you haven't got

Re: bootsplash

2003-06-09 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
I am trying to get a system similar to MDK's bootsplash working on a knoppix box. Does anyone know where I should start? I get the distinct It uses the framebuffer device, probably the vesa one. Install the respective rpms (don't forget the graphics gimmicks) from Mdk or SuSE and recompile.

Re: Linux for Windows Programmers

2003-06-09 Thread Michael Pearce
On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 02:41, you wrote: We have a bunch of highly experienced programmers migrating from Windows-ish world on to Linux. Anybody know of any good Linux for Programmers tutorial material. Or Linux, not for Dummies. I found the following books as a good reference for switching: I

Re: OSS bloatware on old hardware (Was: Publicise open source?)

2003-06-09 Thread Philip Charles
On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Must check my archive copies of SuSE. IIRC, WP8 could be downloaded at no cost, but had to be registered. I am not certain if this still can be done. Probably not, and there's the question of whether the downloadable copy could be passed on,

Re: OSS bloatware on old hardware (Was: Publicise open source?)

2003-06-09 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
I still have a copy of the downloadable version. Unfortunately http://linux.corel.com seems to have gone. Registration! I never even installed it. Will it not run without registration, i.e. does it require some key to be obtained from somewhere? If so, it's a paperweight. Chances of SCO

Re: OSS bloatware on old hardware (Was: Publicise open source?)

2003-06-09 Thread Philip Charles
On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: I still have a copy of the downloadable version. Unfortunately http://linux.corel.com seems to have gone. Registration! I never even installed it. Will it not run without registration, i.e. does it require some key to be obtained from somewhere?

Re: Linux for Windows Programmers

2003-06-09 Thread Ryurick M. Hristev
On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Michael Pearce wrote: On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 02:41, you wrote: We have a bunch of highly experienced programmers migrating from Windows-ish world on to Linux. Anybody know of any good Linux for Programmers tutorial material. Or Linux, not for Dummies. I found the

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Simon Hansman
Well, if it's not compile optimizations then I don't know what it is. In both Mandrake and Gentoo I've got dma enabled on my harddrives, the same number of services are running, fam's enabled...Both I login using kdm - and I know Mandrake starts the X server early and starts other services in

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Simon Hansman
On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:31, Chad wrote: This is rather relative, your still dealing with a fairly decent Machine there. An athlonXP is alot faster than my k6-2 450Mhz it took me 8 hours to compile Gnome 2 when it came out with out any fancy flags. And the Kernel it self takes 40mins even when

Re: Free books for download

2003-06-09 Thread Carl Cerecke
Volker Kuhlmann wrote: http://www.vnunet.de/testticker/freedownloads/freedownloads.asp A new one every 2 days, for a month. The personal firewall's just been - bugger (someone got a copy?) In German. (Hey I don't understand your problem... ;) They're all Sprache: Deutsch Volker, keep an eye on

Re: Hardware

2003-06-09 Thread C Falconer
On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 19:03, Benjamin Devine wrote: how much would it cost if i bought ten im going to make a distubuted computing cluster Why did I read that as disturbed computing cluster ?

Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003

2003-06-09 Thread Nick Brettell
- Original Message - From: Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 7:07 PM Subject: Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003 On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 18:26, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Christopher Sawtell Sent:

Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003

2003-06-09 Thread Nick Rout
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:13:02 +1200 Nick Brettell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its a (fairly new) Dell Inspiron N2800X (I think its called) P4 processor... It may need acpi turned on in the kernel. I assume you have done the usual google searches? and the linux laptops page? -- Nick Rout [EMAIL

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Nick Rout
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:39:41 +1200 Simon Hansman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, yeah far enough. On a slower computer Gentoo's probably not the best option (likewise Gentoo may not be the best option on a dialup connection)...But when you upgrade or buy a new one, you'll be able to run

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Simon Hansman
Yeah, I've helped a couple of dialup users using the same method...the problem is updating but as you say it'd be the same for any distro. So there you go, as Nick has made clear, dialup shouldn't stop you from using Gentoo :) On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:23, Nick Rout wrote: Re dialup, neither is

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Nick Rout
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:35:29 +1200 Simon Hansman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I've helped a couple of dialup users using the same method...the problem is updating but as you say it'd be the same for any distro. So there you go, as Nick has made clear, dialup shouldn't stop you from using

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Jason
Yes but you are forgetting the compile time With Mandrake, once I download, I install, with Gentoo, once I download, I compile, THEN install, big difference ona slow box!!! Cheers Jason Simon Hansman wrote: Yeah, I've helped a couple of dialup users using the same method...the problem

Re: OSS bloatware on old hardware (Was: Publicise open source?)

2003-06-09 Thread Lance Blackler
Registration keys can still be found by doing a search on Google - some interesting info also - for example try a search for WP8 corel registration or WordPerfect on Linux FAQ - apparantly Corel do not prohibit people from publishing their keys (hint - I have one) - so it may not be too

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Jason
Agree'd, now that I've had broadband for about 4 days now, dunno how I lived without it. 128K through Iconz for $22.50/Mo, plus telecom line fee $30 and woohoo, she's smokin compared to dialup. Cheers Jason Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:35:29 +1200 Simon Hansman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Carl Cerecke
Jason wrote: Yes but you are forgetting the compile time That's the point. After you've done it once, you *can* forget about the compile time. But the performance benefits continue every time you use the program. Cheers, Carl.

Re: Free books for download

2003-06-09 Thread John Carter
On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 08:46, Carl Cerecke wrote: Volker Kuhlmann wrote: http://www.vnunet.de/testticker/freedownloads/freedownloads.asp A new one every 2 days, for a month. The personal firewall's just been - bugger (someone got a copy?) In German. (Hey I don't understand your

RE: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Well I will chime in with my experiences. I am command-line averse and compared to many on this list still a newbie. I Started with RedHat 7.2 and upgraded each time a more recent RH distro was available. After Nick Rout's Gentoo presentation at a CLUG meeting I thought it was worth trying so,

RE: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003

2003-06-09 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Same here, Debian (via Knoppix) installed fine on SCSI disks. Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 7:13 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003 On Mon,

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Simon Hansman
I'm was using Gentoo 1.2, then I went to Mandrake 9.0 then back to Gentoo 1.4. 1.2 and 1.4 both *felt* a lot faster than Mandrake. Everyone else I've talked to who has installed Gentoo has found it faster than Mandrake..maybe it's subjective, but at the end of the day if you feel it's faster,

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Jason
Yes but to stay bleeding edge don't you have to compile each time you download a new package?? I install the latest version of cooker each day. With Gentoo, doesn't that mean I'd have to comipile a lot of packages each day?? Mandrake does the compiling for me with Cooker yes?? Cheers Jason

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Jason
Ok, this is how I see it. With my current knowlege, Gentoo would make me feel dumb, whereas Mandrake makes me feel somewhat competent in Linux. Perhaps I am just resisting the elucidation of my lack of knowlege. Cheers Jason Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:35:29 +1200 Simon Hansman

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Nick Rout
the discussion at this point was related to net access speed, but machine speed is another pont to take into account. On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:42:12 +1200 Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but you are forgetting the compile time With Mandrake, once I download, I install, with Gentoo, once

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Simon Hansman
I do this every couple of days with Gentoo and I just leave the compilation going in a konsole in the backgroundit's not a big deal really. For big compiles like a new KDE, I just leave my pc on overnight, again it doesn't inconvience at all. anyway, each to their own, Simon On Tue, 10

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Jason
Yeah but I'd actually like to USE my machine while it was compiling. =) LOL Simon Hansman wrote: I do this every couple of days with Gentoo and I just leave the compilation going in a konsole in the backgroundit's not a big deal really. For big compiles like a new KDE, I just leave my pc

RE: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
You only upgrade the packages you have installed. I generally do emerge rsync emerge -up world once or twice a fortnight and unless something like Ooo or KDE is upgraded it often will complete everything within half an hour. Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Jason

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Nick Rout
nice -n 10 emerge -u world does it with lower priority, and doesn't seem to affect other work too much. nice is ..errr. a nice feature On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:51:33 +1200 Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah but I'd actually like to USE my machine while it was compiling. =) LOL Simon

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Jason
Ok, Ok, I will have to try this bleeding Gentoo at some stage then =) Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: You only upgrade the packages you have installed. I generally do emerge rsync emerge -up world once or twice a fortnight and unless something like Ooo or KDE is upgraded it often will

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Jason
Gentoo is looking more feasible by the minute...I am running out of excuses not to at least try it. =) Nick Rout wrote: nice -n 10 emerge -u world does it with lower priority, and doesn't seem to affect other work too much. nice is ..errr. a nice feature On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:51:33

RE: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Jason, why don't you Check package versions which you currently use against those available from http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/index.xml or http://gentoo-stable.iq-computing.de/ ..and see if my claim is correct about how up to date Gentoo is. Then why not have a look at a happy Gentoo box

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Nick Rout
package list here too, haven't checked how upto date it is http://www.distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gentoo On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:29:42 +1200 Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason, why don't you Check package versions which you currently use against those

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Jason
Good ideas, will investigate at home =) Nick Rout wrote: package list here too, haven't checked how upto date it is http://www.distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gentoo On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:29:42 +1200 Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason, why don't you Check

RE: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
I suggest going to http://gazza.citylink.co.nz/gentoo/releases/1.4_rc4/x86/x86/livecd/ and get gentoo-3stages-x86-1.4_rc4.iso And there is another great thing about Gentoo - there is a New Zealand mirror. PS - I will stand corrected if others have better suggestions. Regards, Robert

RE: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Re: Partition tools, yes cfdisk is used (I think you have to reboot after changing/writing new partitions) Install instructions, which get better all the time, are at.. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Jason
Yup, thought along the same lines and saw that here too: http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/gentoo/releases/1.4_rc4/x86/x86/livecd/ Was wondering if the local mirrors are very fast?? Not that it matters with such bloody small ISO's... Ok, so If i DL and install this what do I actually end up

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Jason
Cheers...yes, the Gentoo site seems fairly complete. Lots of FM to RT. Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Re: Partition tools, yes cfdisk is used (I think you have to reboot after changing/writing new partitions) Install instructions, which get better all the time, are at..

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00:48PM +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and get gentoo-3stages-x86-1.4_rc4.iso Is this why you claim the packages are so up-to-date--because you're running a release candidate, i.e. not a stable release? If this is the case, it's not a lot different to running

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Jason
In its defense, I'd wager (and I don't use the thing) that Gentoos RC's are more stable than a Mandrake Release!! Not that I have many problems but the Mandrake releases need about 3 weeks more polish before release almost EVERY time, and they never seem to get it. A pity really. If they did

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Simon Hansman
Gentoo RC's are tied more to the installer (and possibly gcc) than a actual list of packages, so once you've got it installed all you are running is Gentoo. You can choose which versions of programs to use, or just use the current stable ones. So only real difference you'll notice in the RCs is

RE: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Read my lips. Take up the challenge. Check package versions which you currently use against those available from http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/index.xml or http://gentoo-stable.iq-computing.de/ You have to manually chose to use packages which are not classed as Stable but even the stable ones

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:51:19PM +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read my lips. Take up the challenge. Firstly, I never said you were wrong, I said your comparison is not apples-to-apples. Check package versions which you currently use against those available from

RE: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
I believe that the versions of packages listed at http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/index.xml are the ones which will be emerged by default - the latest stable according to Gentoo versions. The other site (http://gentoo-stable.iq-computing.de/) will give you all of the currently available Gentoo

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Nick Rout
no they are the stable packages, and you can also run unstable. rc is a release candidate for the distro version 1.4 as a whole, but the packages in portage are stable. On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:19:10 +1200 Matthew Gregan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00:48PM +1200, [EMAIL

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:51:19PM +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read my lips. Take up the challenge. Right. I've taken a list of packages from [1], and compared that to the list of packages in Debian testing[2]. Note that there is a good chance that the Debian testing list is a little out

RE: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Brad Beveridge
Sorry - that's not apples and apples. You're comparing Gentoo stable vs Debian testing. However I can't see how to get the website to display it's unstable packages :) Maybe Debian unstable might be a closer comparison (I won't suggest trying Deb stable - that's just unfair!) Brad

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Aitchison
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 12:11:19AM +0100, Jim Cheetham wrote: On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 10:46:40AM +1200, Dave Lilley wrote: Hi there folks, Anyone played or using OpenBSD ?? What's your opinion of it ??? I have an OpenBSD 3.3 boot cd (and floppy) if you wanted to borrow it. IMHO, the

RE: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Try http://gentoo-stable.iq-computing.de/ For all available Gentoo versions of packages Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Brad Beveridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 1:55 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

RE: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
My comparison is done with the programmes I use most often Showing package name, Gentoo version, Debian version. Kopete, 6.2, NA K3b, 0.8.1-r1, 0.8 Ksambaplugin, 0.4b, NA Samba, 3.0_alpha24-r1, 2.2.3a-12 Mozilla, 1.3-r2, 1.2 ?? Gnucash, 1.8.4, 1.8.1-1 Evolution, 1.3.92, 1.0.5-1 Mplayer,

laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003

2003-06-09 Thread Peter Elliott
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:17:55 +1200 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:13:02 +1200 Nick Brettell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its a (fairly new) Dell Inspiron N2800X (I think its called) P4 processor... It may need acpi turned on in the kernel. I assume you have

good ftp site?

2003-06-09 Thread Steve Bell
Hi Sorry to interrupt the Gentoo vs BSD vs Mandrake fight, I just have an unrelated question... Where's a good place to download MDK 9.1 iso's? I tried leaving the Jetstart 128k going over the weekend to planetmirror.com.au, but not reliable. Can someone suggest a good free d/l site? Thanks

Hardware

2003-06-09 Thread Adam Martin
Title: Message I have been getting lot of questions regarding the boxes I have available, so here are the answers Digital PC3100 64MB SD-Ram (168pin) FDD Keyboard (Digital) Mouse 2GHZ HDD 200MHZ MMX Onboard S3Trio64V2 2 USB Ports ESS Audiodrive Soundcard No Monitor I paid

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Aitchison
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 10:46:40AM +1200, Dave Lilley wrote: Hi there folks, Anyone played or using OpenBSD ?? What's your opinion of it ??? interested in it. I've tried a lot of different OS's, and different Linux distributions, and I've found that OpenBSD is the only one that

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Aitchison
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 09:23:16AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:39:41 +1200 Simon Hansman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, yeah far enough. On a slower computer Gentoo's probably not the best option (likewise Gentoo may not be the best option on a dialup

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Aitchison
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 09:40:17AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:35:29 +1200 Simon Hansman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I've helped a couple of dialup users using the same method...the problem is updating but as you say it'd be the same for any distro. So there you

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Aitchison
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00:48PM +1200, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: I suggest going to http://gazza.citylink.co.nz/gentoo/releases/1.4_rc4/x86/x86/livecd/ and get gentoo-3stages-x86-1.4_rc4.iso And there is another great thing about Gentoo - there is a New Zealand mirror.

Re: Hardware

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Aitchison
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 12:24:53PM +1200, Adam wrote: Hello all, Apologies if this sort of post is not allowed I have about 15 boxes that I want to get rid of, brought them awhile ago and realise that They aint quite what I need. Digital PC3000 200MHZ MMX 64MB RAM 10/100 NIC

Re: Hardware

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Aitchison
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 02:58:15PM +1200, Adam Martin wrote: I have been getting lot of questions regarding the boxes I have available, so here are the answers Digital PC3100 64MB SD-Ram (168pin) FDD Keyboard (Digital) Mouse 2GHZ HDD 200MHZ MMX Onboard S3Trio64V2 2 USB Ports

Re: good ftp site?

2003-06-09 Thread Benjamin Devine
ftp.tranzpeer.net |ben Steve Bell said: Hi Sorry to interrupt the Gentoo vs BSD vs Mandrake fight, I just have an unrelated question... Where's a good place to download MDK 9.1 iso's? I tried leaving the Jetstart 128k going over the weekend to planetmirror.com.au, but not reliable. Can

Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003

2003-06-09 Thread Nick Brettell
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:17:55 +1200 Nick Rout wrote: It may need acpi turned on in the kernel. I assume you have done the usual google searches? and the linux laptops page? Yes, but I'm don't really know how to go about recompiling or patching the kernel... I'm still fairly new to linux,

RE: good ftp site?

2003-06-09 Thread Steve Bell
Thanks! Like a charm. ftp.tranzpeer.net |ben Steve Bell said: Hi Sorry to interrupt the Gentoo vs BSD vs Mandrake fight, I just have an unrelated question... Where's a good place to download MDK 9.1 iso's? I tried leaving the Jetstart 128k going over the weekend to

Re: good ftp site?

2003-06-09 Thread Mahesh De Silva
ftp.paradise.net.nz Hi Sorry to interrupt the Gentoo vs BSD vs Mandrake fight, I just have an unrelated question... Where's a good place to download MDK 9.1 iso's? I tried leaving the Jetstart 128k going over the weekend to planetmirror.com.au, but not reliable. Can someone

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:55:24PM +1200, Brad Beveridge wrote: Sorry - that's not apples and apples. You're comparing Gentoo stable vs Debian testing. However I can't see how to get the website to Yes, I repeatedly mentioned it was Debian testing. I chose Debian testing because most Debian

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Aitchison
Who really wants to deal with a constantly changing system though? Only a geek with too much time, and too few projects? On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 04:36:32PM +1200, Matthew Gregan wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:55:24PM +1200, Brad Beveridge wrote: Sorry - that's not apples and apples.

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:55:24PM +1200, Brad Beveridge wrote: However I can't see how to get the website to display it's unstable packages :) It's not clear whether you were talking about Gentoo unstable or Debian unstable. The Debian unstable package list is easy to find. See [1]. [1]

RE: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Brad Beveridge
Opps, sorry - I thought the Deb progression was stable - unstable - testing. From your message I take it progression is stable - testing - unstable, in which case I would expect the comparison to be fairer. Apologies. Brad -Original Message- From: Matthew Gregan [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Brad Beveridge
I was meaning Gentoo unstable. -Original Message- From: Matthew Gregan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 4:39 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD) On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:55:24PM +1200, Brad Beveridge wrote: However I can't

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 02:40:31PM +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My comparison is done with the programmes I use most often Showing package name, Gentoo version, Debian version. Kopete, 6.2, NA K3b, 0.8.1-r1, 0.8 Ksambaplugin, 0.4b, NA Granted. KDE support can tend to lag a

Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003

2003-06-09 Thread Nick Rout
buggered if I know actually! On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:49:16 +1200 Peter Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: re acpi - this will entail patching the kernel as the acpi patch is still waiting for inclusion into the marcelo(ie stable) tree OR using one from the -ac (alan cox) tree since this patch

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
(U)DMA is enabled realiably. It seems Linux has terrible problems with not enabling dma on hard-drives, which means that hdparm has to be used to enable (U)DMA. *) calling hdparm is no problem (/etc/init.d/boot.local) *) the system does this for me if I say which drives *) it's been

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 03:31:45PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote: The default kernel image doesn't use much memory for caching your disk - 5% of ram. This is easy to change, you can run: config -e -o /nbsd /bsd cachepct 25 mv /bsd /obsd; cp -f /nbsd /bsd And that'll give

Software development

2003-06-09 Thread Adam Martin
Title: Message Hello all, I am looking for a software developer willing to take on a project that I have in mind.. the work would be unpaid until completion of the project.. whereby programmer would be paid a 50% royalty (of profits). The skills needed Windows Programming Mail

Re: OpenBSD

2003-06-09 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:21:41PM +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: *) calling hdparm is no problem (/etc/init.d/boot.local) *) the system does this for me if I say which drives You should not have to call hdparm to configure the drives correctly. *) it's been automatically on for years (for

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 04:37:49PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote: Who really wants to deal with a constantly changing system though? How is it constantly changing? It only changes when you perform an upgrade. Much the same as an up-to-date Gentoo system would. Cheers, -mjg -- Matthew Gregan

Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Aitchison
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:33:28PM +1200, Matthew Gregan wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 04:37:49PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote: Who really wants to deal with a constantly changing system though? How is it constantly changing? It only changes when you perform an upgrade. Much the same as an