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2004-10-20 Thread Chad
Just noticed that some of the material written for Mandrake and Urpmi has disappeared. The infomation on all the sub tools for urpmi seems to have gone missing. The stucture used to be. \Mandrake -\ RPMdrake --\ RPMDrake tools \ Softwareinstaller \ Software unininstaller etc \

Intel Sound...

2004-10-20 Thread Steve Holdoway
Hi Folks, I'm trying to get my head around the problems I've got with sound on my tosh 5205-S503 laptop. The relevant chipset is Intel 82801, and they're nice little harmon/kardon speakers, so it would be nice to hear my DVD's! I've got no sound whatsoever. Opening up the volume control provides

Re: Fix-up evening - call for volunteers

2004-10-20 Thread Chad
Have a look at the CLUG wiki http://clug.inode.co.nz/ the Mandrake section has a basic guide for Urpmi on it enough to get you up and running. http://clug.inode.co.nz/index.php/Mandrake The RPMdrake section might be better though seeing it's got the same stuff but explains howto do it with Mand

Re: Fix-up evening - call for volunteers

2004-10-20 Thread yuri
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:59:44 +1300, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I won't be able to make it but with regards to the problem mentioned below the > easiest method to fix should be add a plf urpmi source and do. I haven't figured out urpmi yet, being on dial-up and all. If I get it going before

Kernel Compile from Hell Over

2004-10-20 Thread Michael JasonSmith
I have finally finished my kernel compile from hell (Linux 2.6.9, Fedora Core 2), with many thanks to Lee Begg (thanks, Lee). In the end there were three problems. First, when I tried to *install* the kernel I got the message WARNING: â sata_sis.ko needs unknown symbol ata_port_start Seria

Re: Fix-up evening - call for volunteers

2004-10-20 Thread Chad
I won't be able to make it but with regards to the problem mentioned below the easiest method to fix should be add a plf urpmi source and do. urpmi mplayer mplayer-gui xine urpmi libdvdcss2 The other option is Grab and install the plf packages for libdvdcss2 and libdvdcss2-devel and compile mp

Re: [Fwd: Announcing Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog Release"]

2004-10-20 Thread Dale Anderson
More like "we havent had enough time to add the extra intergration/eyecandy as shipped with our gnome build" Dale. Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Nowhere on that page does it state that KDE support in Ubuntu is beta. We don't at this stage have the resources to put the same level of post-freeze

Re: [Fwd: Announcing Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog Release"]

2004-10-20 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> Nowhere on that page does it state that KDE support in Ubuntu is beta. We don't at this stage have the resources to put the same level of post-freeze work into the KDE packages as we put into the Gnome packages. I read that as "beta", or "not much tested". Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann

Mounting a USB drive

2004-10-20 Thread Douglas Royds
(Unhijacked - I had accidentally hijacked the Fix-up thread) Nick Rout wrote: if you want the device to be mountable by a user (ie non root) then i believe the option "user" in /etc/fstab does the trick. I have this, and it works fine if I manually mount the drive (as a user). When hotplug mounts

Re: [Fwd: Announcing Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog Release"]

2004-10-20 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2004-10-21T16:03:48+1300, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > > > Ok, so it's not currently a good choice for KDE users. > > > > In the same way that SuSE is not a good choice for GNOME users, yes. > SuSE doesn't say their gnome is beta and not as well tested, and I know Nowhere on that page does it sta

Re: OT: Python programming question

2004-10-20 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2004-10-21T15:50:36+1300, Carl Cerecke wrote: > Yes. This had occurred to me, but I wanted something more compact. It could be argued that one of the largest benefits of Python is that it's easy to learn and understand. Using obvious, simple code where possible can only aid in making a partic

Re: [Fwd: Announcing Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog Release"]

2004-10-20 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> > Ok, so it's not currently a good choice for KDE users. > > In the same way that SuSE is not a good choice for GNOME users, yes. SuSE doesn't say their gnome is beta and not as well tested, and I know that people do use it with gnome. However as long as the ubuntu kde works I don't care what i

Re: OT: Python programming question

2004-10-20 Thread Carl Cerecke
Matthew Gregan wrote: At 2004-10-21T14:43:12+1300, Carl Cerecke wrote: I have a list with an even number of elements, and I want to step through each pair of elements. Obvious: list = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6] for i in range(0, len(list), 2): a = list[i], b = list[i + 1]

Re: OT: Python programming question

2004-10-20 Thread nordkyn
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:43:12 +1300 Carl Cerecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've come up with (you can type these lines in at the python prompt): > ls=[1,2,3,4,5,6] > for a,b in [(ls[::2][x],ls[1::2][x]) for x in range(len(ls)/2)]: >print a,b # do stuff here with a and b > List comprehension

Re: OT: Python programming question

2004-10-20 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2004-10-21T14:43:12+1300, Carl Cerecke wrote: > I have a list with an even number of elements, and I want to step > through each pair of elements. Obvious: list = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6] for i in range(0, len(list), 2): a = list[i], b = list[i + 1] pri

Re: OT: Python programming question

2004-10-20 Thread Nick Rout
I have been wanting to learn more python for a while. I got a book "String Processing with Python" out of the Public Library the other day.[1] I will see if I can find any inspiration in there for you :) [1] I was pleased to see one of our newbies in there browsing the linux shelves :) On Thu,

OT: Python programming question

2004-10-20 Thread Carl Cerecke
I have a list with an even number of elements, and I want to step through each pair of elements. So, for example, with the list ls=[1,2,3,4,5,6], I want to deal with 1,2 then 3,4 then 5,6. I've come up with (you can type these lines in at the python prompt): ls=[1,2,3,4,5,6] for a,b in [(ls[::2][x]

Re: [Fwd: Announcing Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog Release"]

2004-10-20 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2004-10-21T13:02:35+1300, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > Ok, so it's not currently a good choice for KDE users. In the same way that SuSE is not a good choice for GNOME users, yes. Cheers, -mjg -- Matthew Gregan |/ /|[EMAIL PROTE

Re: [Fwd: Announcing Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog Release"]

2004-10-20 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:02:35 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/kde > > Ok, so it's not currently a good choice for KDE users. > I installed kde on the ubuntu that occupies a vmware virtual machine on my athlon. it seemed t

Re: [Fwd: Announcing Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog Release"]

2004-10-20 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/kde Ok, so it's not currently a good choice for KDE users. > You'll need to source the Real junk from 'multiverse', the non-free > repository. Are at least the various losemodem drivers included on the CD? Acroread? Whatever browser plugins?

Re: Fix-up evening - call for volunteers

2004-10-20 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> I am not sure about this, i understood that "sync" was performed by > "umount" so that buffers were flushed before the device was actually > unmounted umount should flush all buffers first, then perform the umount. However, I believe this doesn't happen in the case of fatXX filesystems, so unles

Re: [Fwd: Announcing Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog Release"]

2004-10-20 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2004-10-21T12:30:43+1300, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > I have Ubuntu on a spare partition [...] > could somebody tell me what I have to configure to apt-get KDE and a > RealAudio client, if that is possible? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/kde You'll need to source the Rea

source install on debian [was Re: [Fwd: Announcing Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog Release"]]

2004-10-20 Thread Hadley Rich
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:30, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > Not being a Debianist and having been burnt by just > installing from source on several binary package distributions, I have very limited experience with Debian although to save yourself getting burnt when you do need to install from source

Re: [Fwd: Announcing Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog Release"]

2004-10-20 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:39, Jim Cheetham wrote: > The SABDFL[1] announces the official release of Ubuntu! > I guess pre-ordered "pressit" CDs will begin to ship soon. I have Ubuntu on a spare partition, and would probably use it more if I could use a RealAudio client with it, and change from the G

Re: Fix-up evening - call for volunteers

2004-10-20 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:46:51 +1300 Douglas Royds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've put this exhange back on the list. > > Nick Rout wrote: > > do you have hotplug running? > > Yes. I'm successfully mounting the USB drive, and automatically > unmounting it after its removal. This depends on the

Re: Interesting insight into kernel development

2004-10-20 Thread Nick Rout
yes, although interesting to note that on past experience this one will probably not be in retail stores here until early-mid december! (one of the reasons i subscribe, as well as a pretty big cost saving). I once asked the proprietor of a magazine shop, who sells a lot of magazines that have arri

Re: Fix-up evening - call for volunteers

2004-10-20 Thread Douglas Royds
I've put this exhange back on the list. Nick Rout wrote: do you have hotplug running? Yes. I'm successfully mounting the USB drive, and automatically unmounting it after its removal. This depends on the SCSI system putting it in the same place - we've discussed this on the list previously. If I'

Re: Interesting insight into kernel development

2004-10-20 Thread Jim Cheetham
Nick Rout wrote: My latest Linux Journal arrived this morning (funny how its still October and the November edition has arrived fronm the US). In general, the "Issue Date" printed on a magazine or newspaper is the date that the newsstand should *remove* the magazine from the shelf. -jim

[Fwd: Announcing Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog Release"]

2004-10-20 Thread Jim Cheetham
The SABDFL[1] announces the official release of Ubuntu! I guess pre-ordered "pressit" CDs will begin to ship soon. I have the iso available here, should anyone want it specially early. -jim [1] Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life - Mark Shuttleworth Original Message Subjec

Re: Interesting insight into kernel development

2004-10-20 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> Wouldn't having a rapidly moving api just bring the linux community down to > the M$ level? An unstable pai is pretty useless do develop against. They were talking about the internal kernel API, which doesn't affect user-land programs, only kernel modules. In other words, it makes it more diffic

Business News - Trickle of interest in Linux starts to become a corporate flood

2004-10-20 Thread Derek Smithies
Hi, yet another link that "may" be of interest. Derek. -- Derek Smithies Ph.D. This PC runs pine on linux for email IndraNet Technologies Ltd.

RE: Interesting insight into kernel development

2004-10-20 Thread Steve Holdoway
Sorry for the top posting... I'm in windoze-land! Wouldn't having a rapidly moving api just bring the linux community down to the M$ level? An unstable pai is pretty useless do develop against. Steve -Original Message- From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 21 October

Interesting insight into kernel development

2004-10-20 Thread Nick Rout
My latest Linux Journal arrived this morning (funny how its still October and the November edition has arrived fronm the US). Probably not many of us are likely to take a huge interest in the inner workings of the kernel development process, we just want the thing to work with our latest SATA driv

Re: Stupid Damn Operating System

2004-10-20 Thread Steve Holdoway
Dale Anderson wrote: modprobe hid && mousedev ? Dale. Steve Holdoway wrote: Steve Holdoway wrote: Matthew Gregan wrote: At 2004-10-20T18:39:51+1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: no, no, no! That's for a 2.4.x kernel. True, but the old way still works just fine. BTW... you don't use nVidia drive

Re: OT - file recovery assistance wanted

2004-10-20 Thread G Chinnery
http://www.runtime.org/ has excellent software for this very purpose. I have used it in the past with great sucess. Graeme Barry wrote: Has someone in chch got a file recovery utility for a dos fat16 win98 partition which they would be kind enough to make available. The bad news is that I delet

Re: Stupid Damn Operating System

2004-10-20 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:49, Steve Holdoway wrote: > Spoke too soon. Logged in... great. But no mouse, no response to > anything but the power button. Back to 2.6.8.1 No need to do that. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ uname -a Linux liberty 2.6.9-gentoo #1 Wed Oct 20 20:12:44 NZDT 2004 i686 Pentium II (Desc

Re: Stupid Damn Operating System

2004-10-20 Thread Dale Anderson
modprobe hid && mousedev ? Dale. Steve Holdoway wrote: Steve Holdoway wrote: Matthew Gregan wrote: At 2004-10-20T18:39:51+1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: no, no, no! That's for a 2.4.x kernel. True, but the old way still works just fine. BTW... you don't use nVidia drivers, do you? I tried th

Re: Stupid Damn Operating System

2004-10-20 Thread Steve Holdoway
Steve Holdoway wrote: Matthew Gregan wrote: At 2004-10-20T18:39:51+1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: no, no, no! That's for a 2.4.x kernel. True, but the old way still works just fine. BTW... you don't use nVidia drivers, do you? I tried the 2.6.9-pre4 kernel with version 6111, and it wouldn't

Re: OT - file recovery assistance wanted

2004-10-20 Thread Philip Charles
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Barry wrote: > Has someone in chch got a file recovery utility for a dos fat16 win98 > partition which they would be kind enough to make available. > > The bad news is that I deleted every file on the drive. The good news is > that the drive has not been written to, and that I

Re: Stupid Damn Operating System

2004-10-20 Thread Steve Holdoway
Matthew Gregan wrote: At 2004-10-20T18:39:51+1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: no, no, no! That's for a 2.4.x kernel. True, but the old way still works just fine. BTW... you don't use nVidia drivers, do you? I tried the 2.6.9-pre4 kernel with version 6111, and it wouldn't build. http://th

Re: Stupid Damn Operating System

2004-10-20 Thread Dale Anderson
/me finishes installing DE and nods via his nice shiny fbsd install . Dale. ;) Andrew Turner wrote: The nice think with FreeBSD is I can update the kernel with three commands: make update make kernel shutdown -r now Andrew

Re: Stupid Damn Operating System

2004-10-20 Thread Steve Holdoway
Nick Rout wrote: On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 18:39, Steve Holdoway wrote: Michael JasonSmith wrote: On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 17:47, Dale Anderson wrote: Being that you didnt give any info re what exactly you did to upgrade the kernel on the formentioned OS it is rather hard for anyone to giv

OT - file recovery assistance wanted

2004-10-20 Thread Barry
Has someone in chch got a file recovery utility for a dos fat16 win98 partition which they would be kind enough to make available. The bad news is that I deleted every file on the drive. The good news is that the drive has not been written to, and that I have a backup for all except the last 2

Re: Stupid Damn Operating System

2004-10-20 Thread Andrew Turner
The nice think with FreeBSD is I can update the kernel with three commands: make update make kernel shutdown -r now Andrew -- 437789220

Re: Stupid Damn Operating System

2004-10-20 Thread Robert Fisher
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:58, Michael JasonSmith wrote: > tar xfjâ > make menuconfig > â > make modules > make modules_install > make bzImage > make install I think that the procedure is different on 2.6 than on 2.4. On my Gentoo boxes I do:- Updatin

Re: Stupid Damn Operating System

2004-10-20 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 18:39, Steve Holdoway wrote: > Michael JasonSmith wrote: > > >On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 17:47, Dale Anderson wrote: > > > > > >>Being that you didnt give any info re what exactly you did to upgrade > >>the kernel on the formentioned OS it is rather hard for anyone to give > >