Re: [OT] Hardware Info Help

2003-01-08 Thread Aaron Grewell
Celeron fits into the budget category. Intel has always had these chips and in the old days they were marked with sx (386sx, 486sx). Now they're called Celerons, and there are several varieties. The only two you should need to know about are P3 Celerons and P4 Celerons. These are low-cache

RE: [OT] Hardware Info Help

2003-01-08 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA
Aaron Grewell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] typed thusly on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:46 AM: Celeron fits into the budget category. Intel has always had these chips and in the old days they were marked with sx (386sx, 486sx). Now they're called Celerons, and there are several varieties.

Re: [OT] Hardware Info Help

2003-01-08 Thread Net Llama!
Its also worth nothing that Celerons have a 128KB cache, while the 'normal' PIII PIV chips have a 256KB cache. On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Aaron Grewell wrote: Celeron fits into the budget category. Intel has always had these chips and in the old days they were marked with sx (386sx, 486sx). Now

Re: [OT] Hardware Info Help

2003-01-08 Thread Stuart Biggerstaff
And at that isn't it something like double the cache of the original Celeron? Of course it's worth noting that whether they suck or not just about all current processors are i686 (Pentium Pro). I think the AMD K6 series was the last i586 put in many PCs, and though they would often outperform

Re: [OT] Hardware Info Help

2003-01-08 Thread Aaron Grewell
The original Celeron had no L2 cache at all. Its performance was so abysmal that Intel had to quickly come out with the Celeron A which includes the 128KB L2 cache we know today. K-6-II and III chips definitely gave better bang for the buck than the original Celerons, but the Celeron A was the

Re: [OT] Hardware Info Help

2003-01-08 Thread Aaron Grewell
Both are available, but it should be noted that it's on-chip L3 cache. L2 is still 256K or 512K depending on what model you buy. The L3 isn't as fast as the L1 or L2, and is only really useful in database and other such apps where lots of very large data transfers need to be cached. On Wed,

RE: [OT] Hardware Info Help

2003-01-08 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA
Aaron Grewell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] typed thusly on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:17 PM: Both are available, but it should be noted that it's on-chip L3 cache. L2 is still 256K or 512K depending on what model you buy. The L3 isn't as fast as the L1 or L2, and is only really useful in

RE: [OT] Hardware Info Help

2003-01-08 Thread Stuart Biggerstaff
I think just a couple of things, and you've said this better than... At 03:14 PM 1/8/03 -0800, Aaron Grewell wrote: Well, let me see if I can get this right. L1 cache is always built into the processor. It's very fast but there isn't much of it, used to keep very frequently used information

RE: [OT] Hardware Info Help

2003-01-08 Thread Aaron Grewell
On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 15:44, Stuart Biggerstaff wrote: I think just a couple of things, and you've said this better than... At 03:14 PM 1/8/03 -0800, Aaron Grewell wrote: Well, let me see if I can get this right. L1 cache is always built into the processor. It's very fast but there isn't

Re: [OT] Hardware Info Help

2003-01-08 Thread kwall
Feigning erudition, Net Llama! wrote: % Also worth noting is that there are Xeons out there with 1MB cache (i % think 2MB as well, but i'm not 100% sure). And costing a king's ransom, I should think. Kurt -- The sooner all the animals are dead, the sooner we'll find their money.