Re: How to setup clusters
Our IEEE chapter at school is going to setup a linux cluster. Does anyone have any experience/advice/interesting opinions about doing so? I am wondering if there is a good distro or any other wonderfulnes that will make the thing fun and last the semester. -- Alma Mandrake and Knoppix both have cluster distros. Randy Donohoe ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How to setup clusters
On 08/09/03 14:10, Alma J Wetzker wrote: My personal interest is distributed applications, so a virtual machine running a database would be good. But we don't have the disk space to make it worthwhile. I hope to use more than one configuration before we are done. Well, there are alot of different types of databases out there, some with excellent clustering support, some without. Oracle DB2 have pretty decent distributed processing support. The amount of diskspace isn't really an issue unless you plan to start dumping large chunks of data into the DB. Otherwise, a database will remain as small as you want it to. Most of my paid work has been Oracle where I end up using triggers and stuff to accomplish what I need to get done. I am trying to figure out MySQL right now and perhaps PostgreSQL next year. Most of my test data is quite large as I need to test MANY configurations and options. I've used mysql, postgresql oracle, but only oracle in a cluster. Oracle's documentation is prolly your best bet in getting that going. I'm not sure if its easily possible to setup mysql or postgresql in a distributed environment. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 4:25pm up 25 days, 19:07, 1 user, load average: 2.31, 0.69, 0.24 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
How to setup clusters
Our IEEE chapter at school is going to setup a linux cluster. Does anyone have any experience/advice/interesting opinions about doing so? I am wondering if there is a good distro or any other wonderfulnes that will make the thing fun and last the semester. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How to setup clusters
On 08/08/03 15:04, Alma J Wetzker wrote: Our IEEE chapter at school is going to setup a linux cluster. Does anyone have any experience/advice/interesting opinions about doing so? I am wondering if there is a good distro or any other wonderfulnes that will make the thing fun and last the semester. What do you plan to use it for? 'clusters' have *ALOT* of different meanings and uses, and that is heavily dependent on how you set one up. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 3:25pm up 24 days, 18:07, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.04, 0.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How to setup clusters
On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 19:54:44 -0500 Ben Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] emitted these signals: I set up a Mosix one about 2 years ago for a trade show. Not a problem and I really liked it. Another vote for Mosix. My office workstation is currently a Mosix cluster. I got tired of my compiles bogging the CPU (made my MP3's skip), so I grabbed a couple of spare machines and lashed them all together with Mosix. Now when I run a compile it runs on the unloaded CPU's instead of the one with all my eye-candy on it. Who needs XFCE? I just add nodes! ;) Just make sure the other nodes are in the other room, otherwise it gets a bit loud. It will also keep you warm in winter. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How to setup clusters
On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 00:25, Matthew Carpenter wrote: SNIP SuSE 8.2 pro comes with all types of clustering software. I believe there is even a scientific cluster software included, although it is not Beowolf. Also: http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/as/cluster/ Oracle offers a high-end clustering package, with the enterprise license starting at $20,000. They have a demo license, but it is only for 30 days. Most vendors offer heavily discounted educational-support licenses. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How to setup clusters
Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:03:34 -0700 On 08/08/03 20:38, Alma J Wetzker wrote: Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:26:25 -0700 On 08/08/03 15:04, Alma J Wetzker wrote: Our IEEE chapter at school is going to setup a linux cluster. Does anyone have any experience/advice/interesting opinions about doing so? I am wondering if there is a good distro or any other wonderfulnes that will make the thing fun and last the semester. What do you plan to use it for? 'clusters' have *ALOT* of different meanings and uses, and that is heavily dependent on how you set one up. We plan on using it to learn how to setup clusters. Let me rephrase. You're asking 'how do i setup a cluster'. I stated that there is no such thing as one type of cluster. Its as if you asked 'how do i create software?'. There's not a single type of software, or even a single programming language to write the software. Sorry Lonnie, I do know the difference but I really don't have a single type of cluster in mind. What I meant to ask is if anyone on the list has setup a cluster, if so, what type and what distribution was used? I would like to setup a cluster consisting of a single virtual machine as I think that can be the most flexible. As I am not the only person working on the project I can't be more specific for a few weeks. I am just trying to use personal resources in addition to google and other various search engines and 900 pages of documentation. My personal interest is distributed applications, so a virtual machine running a database would be good. But we don't have the disk space to make it worthwhile. I hope to use more than one configuration before we are done. Well, there are alot of different types of databases out there, some with excellent clustering support, some without. Oracle DB2 have pretty decent distributed processing support. The amount of diskspace isn't really an issue unless you plan to start dumping large chunks of data into the DB. Otherwise, a database will remain as small as you want it to. Most of my paid work has been Oracle where I end up using triggers and stuff to accomplish what I need to get done. I am trying to figure out MySQL right now and perhaps PostgreSQL next year. Most of my test data is quite large as I need to test MANY configurations and options. Like i already said, clusters are not a singular thing, like apache, or fortran programming. Its a very broad field, and you need to think about what part of it you're interested in persuing, as there isn't a single method that applies to everything. A cluster is just more than one physical computer working together to accomplish a single task. Be it data storage, numerical computation, graphic rendering, or something else altogether. Once you figure that out with a degree of specificity, then you can move towards determining how to set one up. Since I don't know, or care, which direction I am going with this, ANY help or direction from the list is valuable. (Especially questions like yours!) Thanks! -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How to setup clusters
Hey Alma- There are Beowolf (Supercomputer) clusters, which require special programming to solve complex calculations, etc Work bits are handed off to members of the cluster and the resulting data is returned to the Master computer(s) of the cluster) There are distributed computational clusters like SETI (which is similar to the above setup). There are many other cluster types available, including loadbalancing clusters and failover clusters. But even within these two types of clustering, you also need to determin the services you are attempting to cluster. Some clusters, like a database cluster, are part of the application which is being clustered, eg. Oracle has its own clustering built in and maintained within Oracle. Samba clustering is NOT included in the application, but can be obtained by come-along software like heartbeat and drbd. SuSE 8.2 pro comes with all types of clustering software. I believe there is even a scientific cluster software included, although it is not Beowolf. HTH On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 16:10:55 -0500 Alma J Wetzker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:03:34 -0700 On 08/08/03 20:38, Alma J Wetzker wrote: Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:26:25 -0700 On 08/08/03 15:04, Alma J Wetzker wrote: Our IEEE chapter at school is going to setup a linux cluster. Does anyone have any experience/advice/interesting opinions about doing so? I am wondering if there is a good distro or any other wonderfulnes that will make the thing fun and last the semester. What do you plan to use it for? 'clusters' have *ALOT* of different meanings and uses, and that is heavily dependent on how you set one up. We plan on using it to learn how to setup clusters. Let me rephrase. You're asking 'how do i setup a cluster'. I stated that there is no such thing as one type of cluster. Its as if you asked 'how do i create software?'. There's not a single type of software, or even a single programming language to write the software. Sorry Lonnie, I do know the difference but I really don't have a single type of cluster in mind. What I meant to ask is if anyone on the list has setup a cluster, if so, what type and what distribution was used? I would like to setup a cluster consisting of a single virtual machine as I think that can be the most flexible. As I am not the only person working on the project I can't be more specific for a few weeks. I am just trying to use personal resources in addition to google and other various search engines and 900 pages of documentation. My personal interest is distributed applications, so a virtual machine running a database would be good. But we don't have the disk space to make it worthwhile. I hope to use more than one configuration before we are done. Well, there are alot of different types of databases out there, some with excellent clustering support, some without. Oracle DB2 have pretty decent distributed processing support. The amount of diskspace isn't really an issue unless you plan to start dumping large chunks of data into the DB. Otherwise, a database will remain as small as you want it to. Most of my paid work has been Oracle where I end up using triggers and stuff to accomplish what I need to get done. I am trying to figure out MySQL right now and perhaps PostgreSQL next year. Most of my test data is quite large as I need to test MANY configurations and options. Like i already said, clusters are not a singular thing, like apache, or fortran programming. Its a very broad field, and you need to think about what part of it you're interested in persuing, as there isn't a single method that applies to everything. A cluster is just more than one physical computer working together to accomplish a single task. Be it data storage, numerical computation, graphic rendering, or something else altogether. Once you figure that out with a degree of specificity, then you can move towards determining how to set one up. Since I don't know, or care, which direction I am going with this, ANY help or direction from the list is valuable. (Especially questions like yours!) Thanks! -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Development and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How to setup clusters
Alma J Wetzker wrote: Aaron Grewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:31:26 -0700 On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 19:54:44 -0500 Ben Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] emitted these signals: I set up a Mosix one about 2 years ago for a trade show. Not a problem and I really liked it. Another vote for Mosix. My office workstation is currently a Mosix cluster. I got tired of my compiles bogging the CPU (made my MP3's skip), so I grabbed a couple of spare machines and lashed them all together with Mosix. Now when I run a compile it runs on the unloaded CPU's instead of the one with all my eye-candy on it. Who needs XFCE? I just add nodes! ;) Just make sure the other nodes are in the other room, otherwise it gets a bit loud. It will also keep you warm in winter. It sounds like I need to give that a try. I live in Minnesota so keeping warm in the winter is a serious consideration! ;) Dumb question here ... Are you guys talking about Mosix http://www.mosix.org/ or openMosix http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ ? Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How to setup clusters
Aaron Grewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:31:26 -0700 On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 19:54:44 -0500 Ben Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] emitted these signals: I set up a Mosix one about 2 years ago for a trade show. Not a problem and I really liked it. Another vote for Mosix. My office workstation is currently a Mosix cluster. I got tired of my compiles bogging the CPU (made my MP3's skip), so I grabbed a couple of spare machines and lashed them all together with Mosix. Now when I run a compile it runs on the unloaded CPU's instead of the one with all my eye-candy on it. Who needs XFCE? I just add nodes! ;) Just make sure the other nodes are in the other room, otherwise it gets a bit loud. It will also keep you warm in winter. It sounds like I need to give that a try. I live in Minnesota so keeping warm in the winter is a serious consideration! ;) -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How to setup clusters
Dumb question here ... Are you guys talking about Mosix http://www.mosix.org/ or openMosix http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ ? Michael OpenMosix. Mosix switched to a non-OSS license some time ago, so OpenMosix was developed using the last free version. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How to setup clusters
Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:26:25 -0700 On 08/08/03 15:04, Alma J Wetzker wrote: Our IEEE chapter at school is going to setup a linux cluster. Does anyone have any experience/advice/interesting opinions about doing so? I am wondering if there is a good distro or any other wonderfulnes that will make the thing fun and last the semester. What do you plan to use it for? 'clusters' have *ALOT* of different meanings and uses, and that is heavily dependent on how you set one up. We plan on using it to learn how to setup clusters. My personal interest is distributed applications, so a virtual machine running a database would be good. But we don't have the disk space to make it worthwhile. I hope to use more than one configuration before we are done. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How to setup clusters
On 08/08/03 20:38, Alma J Wetzker wrote: Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:26:25 -0700 On 08/08/03 15:04, Alma J Wetzker wrote: Our IEEE chapter at school is going to setup a linux cluster. Does anyone have any experience/advice/interesting opinions about doing so? I am wondering if there is a good distro or any other wonderfulnes that will make the thing fun and last the semester. What do you plan to use it for? 'clusters' have *ALOT* of different meanings and uses, and that is heavily dependent on how you set one up. We plan on using it to learn how to setup clusters. Let me rephrase. You're asking 'how do i setup a cluster'. I stated that there is no such thing as one type of cluster. Its as if you asked 'how do i create software?'. There's not a single type of software, or even a single programming language to write the software. My personal interest is distributed applications, so a virtual machine running a database would be good. But we don't have the disk space to make it worthwhile. I hope to use more than one configuration before we are done. Well, there are alot of different types of databases out there, some with excellent clustering support, some without. Oracle DB2 have pretty decent distributed processing support. The amount of diskspace isn't really an issue unless you plan to start dumping large chunks of data into the DB. Otherwise, a database will remain as small as you want it to. Like i already said, clusters are not a singular thing, like apache, or fortran programming. Its a very broad field, and you need to think about what part of it you're interested in persuing, as there isn't a single method that applies to everything. A cluster is just more than one physical computer working together to accomplish a single task. Be it data storage, numerical computation, graphic rendering, or something else altogether. Once you figure that out with a degree of specificity, then you can move towards determining how to set one up. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:55pm up 24 days, 23:37, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.09, 0.18 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
