Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Sunday 03 February 2002 04:56 pm, Peter Ruskin warbled: I have 8.1 and Cooker, Keith. Do menudrake - Action - Menu style - Standard menu. Ok managed to do thata, thanks. There are loads of mirrors, I use these ( I won't list Cooker because you probably won't want that ) : ftp://ftp.sunet.se/Mandrake-devel/contrib/ ftp://ftp.sunet.se/Mandrake/updates/8.1/ ftp://ftp.sunet.se/Mandrake-devel/unsupported/8.1/ I believe that Software Manager will check the net if you're online and find sources for you. I have managed for the first time to update from online, no idea what the source was though. However are ther not total new updates like later kernael available ?? -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT MS product placement
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:47, David A. Bandel wrote: The stunning success of the U.S. tech-powered boom in the 1990s drew some 500,000 highly skilled H1-B visa holders from around the world and Yeah, the H1-B's worked cheap, while the highly skilled, highly paid US workers went unemployed. Not this H1-B, I was highly skilled, and highly paid. America has a habit of going to sleep for a decade then waking up to discover the outside world has overtaken them (viz the HP / Motorola memory chip wakeup call, viz the collapse of Fairchild) America also has the phenonemal ability to re-invent itself. You were written off 15 years ago, It took a decade of imports, such as myself, to give your industries the breathing space they needed with new college Grads. The 'highly paid US workers' retrained during that time to get, highly paid. No-one ever said to me, ozzie go home. I would have been more than happy to. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Hidden directory contents in fstab-mounted Windows partition
Interesting hypothesis but no - there was nothing there. I've just booted into native win98 in DOS mode and removed the system flags from Program Files and win, but that hasn't made any difference either. here's my ordinary uninteresting fstab /dev/hda1 /mnt/dos vfat defaults,users,umask=0 0 0 I run my linux os on any given machine each week and 'carry' it as a hard drive (hdbX), hence the dos primary disk and partition, because it's no interest to me what the machine is normally used for. The above is real standard syntax regardless. if still no go, I need to see some 'pristine' /var/log/messages, you need to knock out any automounters, reboot, then mount the dos drive, before you do that, look at /etc/mtab to be CERTAIN the dos drive is not mounted. i need to see tail /var/log/messages, and lsmod immediately after you mount. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: no printing from kmail
On Tuesday 29 January 2002 09:15 pm, Ted Ozolins warbled: I better hurry up and settle on a distro soon as I have a neet to set up a data base for cross refferencing partnumbers. no sarcasm intended. How are you going to do that? What database? I've found nothing 'out there' that's useable. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: no printing from kmail
On Sunday 03 February 2002 11:16 pm, Mike Andrew wrote: On Tuesday 29 January 2002 09:15 pm, Ted Ozolins warbled: I better hurry up and settle on a distro soon as I have a neet to set up a data base for cross refferencing partnumbers. no sarcasm intended. How are you going to do that? What database? I've found nothing 'out there' that's useable. None taken Mike. You are absolutely right, I have searched every site on this planet looking for a package that would allow me to do this. As it turns out, I'll have to do this the hard way. Until now I've had no need to play with any data base programs of any kind. Aside from tutorials on the web, and help from some local programmers, I'll be attempting to set up Mysql for this. I rebuild and calibrate a lot of Tek and Fluke/Phillips equipment. The newer models aren't to hard to get parts for, but some of the older (esp Tek) models at times impossible. I have on many occasion gone through spec sheets and sub'd parts by comparing hfe and other characteristics of a particular transistor to fix various scopes. This can be quite time consuming. So, I've started to work on a database (Mysql) that will allow me to query for values other than cross ref replacement tables found at local distributors. This is one project that seems almost endless but once completed, will be an invaluable tool. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (ot) K-mail test
working... 4 5 6 8^) On Monday 04 February 2002 00:41, you were heard blurting out: testing 123... ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Bill Day ( a.k.a. BadMan )188133 http://counter.li.org #linux-users irc.openprojects.net:6667 Our crystal tears now fall upon the ashes, but from the dust shall grow a spirit, to be in compassion for those who are lost, and one in determination to break those who dare test our resolve to be free... 9/11/01 http://www.daysdomain.com/tribute.html 6:30am up 186 days, 21:24, 12 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Wierd mail problem...
I am having a wierd problem.. using 1 of 2 accounts with my ISP's mails ervice the account I used to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] will no longer complete downloads. Gets approximately 3/4 way through the dl of mail (135 of 195 messages) and I get disconnected. This is the wierd part. first it was in KMail, 2.1.1. So I deleted the accoutn and a set it back up on KMail. continued the same behavior. Second I setup the account on a Windows box with LookOut 5.5(128bit) and the problem has continues. I even tried this in pine on a console as well. My question, would a malformed mail header cause this? Or has anyone ever experienced this? I was not running an imap setup(haven't had time to set it up). I am going to contact the ISP today and have them 'reset' the account. Of course it is run through winders, the ISP, so its really got me.I have a total of 3, 1 for the wife and 2 for me. Only one does this. my other one and hers do not do this from any client here. TIA, -- Bill Day ( a.k.a. BadMan )188133 http://counter.li.org #linux-users irc.openprojects.net:6667 Our crystal tears now fall upon the ashes, but from the dust shall grow a spirit, to be in compassion for those who are lost, and one in determination to break those who dare test our resolve to be free... 9/11/01 http://www.daysdomain.com/tribute.html 6:30am up 186 days, 21:24, 12 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT MS product placement
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:33:31 +1130 begin Mike Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:47, David A. Bandel wrote: The stunning success of the U.S. tech-powered boom in the 1990s drew some 500,000 highly skilled H1-B visa holders from around the world and Yeah, the H1-B's worked cheap, while the highly skilled, highly paid US workers went unemployed. Not this H1-B, I was highly skilled, and highly paid. America has a habit of going to sleep for a decade then waking up to discover the outside world has overtaken them (viz the HP / Motorola memory chip wakeup call, viz the collapse of Fairchild) America also has the phenonemal ability to re-invent itself. You were written off 15 years ago, It took a decade of imports, such as myself, to give your industries the breathing space they needed with new college Grads. The 'highly paid US workers' retrained during that time to get, highly paid. No-one ever said to me, ozzie go home. I would have been more than happy to. Yep, Mike, you're exactly the Indian subcontinent H1-B I was talking about. Couldn't communicate with them. They could code in C. But I speak English and Spanish, not C or Indian (any dialect). And the ones I knew of were not well paid, no where near as well paid as the English speaking C programmers who were looking for (and not finding) work they could make a living off. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: no printing from kmail
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:18, Ted Ozolins wrote: Aside from tutorials on the web, and help from some local programmers, I'll be attempting to set up Mysql for this. sometimes I practice really really hard to be an idiot. This is one where I went the extra mile and outdid myself. I cannot find *anything* out there in gui land that even begins to do it. All this talk about mysql etc is find and good but what front end are you going to use. I've tried Kylix, hk_classes, even kde's not-for-public-consumption Kbase, I cannot find a single front end that will let me enter data into a (mysql) dbase or any other 'server'. And it's this that gets me really really confuzed because, if there's a server such as mysql, where the hell is the front end for it? What obvious bit have I missed? -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:41, Burns MacDonald wrote: frontal lobotomy can produce a Windows OS clone. You're opinion is always worth respecting Burns but that's a cheap throway shot at explaining away the need to make an OS user friendly. A killer line to knock out opposition. (anyway, it takes a real idiot to create 10million lines of code and call it Windows, a lobotomy would have reduced the line count) The arcane blitheringly stupid cli syntax of Linux can get consigned to the dustbin where it deserved to be 20 years ago. The cli is an embarassment to those who use it. I no longer need to grep an awk before I bash it. It hasn't put one more hair on my chest. While I've learned a few more verbs since 1972 *nix hasn't kept up beyond the monosylable. We're stuck in a time warp with ls, tre, man, and a host of other inscrutable geek. The only reason people defend tar: a tape archiver for god's sake, is because it brings back fond memories of Bob Dylan, Coffee Shops and Duffel coats. (Ask them to be rational and the expression mists over) I'd call this geekspeak a high entry barrier when what I want to do is design T shirts and run accounts. If that were my profession, i'd like to love Linux, not wrestle it to the mat. CP/M did better. Bash syntax and the engine that runs it is more profuse with bloat than any complaint about kde. (read the maintainers' comments on same subject) Gui's and point n click assist in a need, and it doesn't equate to being a Windows clone. X is a good idea(tm). If there are similarities, then it's because Bill was savvy enough to use the original Xerox reccomendations, and the laid-in-concrete specifications for the 'special' keys of the keyboard, Not many people realise that the feel in windows look 'n feel is an IBM dictation(SAA something) for System 36/8 in existence prior to the PC, adopted by DEC, and passed on (partly) via the x-motif widget set. I would certainly back you in an argument where some distro was stupid enough to chase the Windoze market by emulating Windoze, but being a self-confessed gui-adorer doesn't make me a me-too Windoze luser. then maybe there are some users we just don't need to attract. /sunday evening rant too bloody right. I've never been attracted to *nix. I use it because Bill Gates and Steve Jobs gave me no choice. Linux has some way to go before I 'like' it. A decent gui is one. The MAC suffered because they insisted on a completely proprietary model in an increasingly generic market model. They were clobbered by the dominance of the PC clone model and all the explosive cross-development that brought with it. I would argue with you here, not on the clearness of above, but Steve's greed. The cause of all of the above ills were and are that Macs are crazily, greedily, unnecessarily, expensive. It was the Apple ][ that introduced the bus concept, *the* item from above that made all the difference for the Oem. Motorola fuelled to the 68040, a far better cpu in all respects than it's 80486 counterpart (not my say so, industry definition), Apple would not reduce the price sufficiently to get the cpu chip-volume up, Motorola, sensibly, gave the public what it deserved. Intel. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Wierd mail problem...
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 00:06, Bill Day wrote: downloads. Gets approximately 3/4 way through the dl of mail (135 of 195 [snip] absolutely unqualified here, but this is typical of an isp who has set the keep-alive wrong. I'ts not retriggering on icmp requests to port 110, just ignoring them. try activating a program like licq. If the line disconnects after (say) 10 mins of just licq. it's an isp issue. If not, keep licq running and read your mail, if it doesn't drop out, it's *definitely* an isp issue. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT MS product placement
David A. Bandel wrote: On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:33:31 +1130 begin Mike Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:47, David A. Bandel wrote: The stunning success of the U.S. tech-powered boom in the 1990s drew some 500,000 highly skilled H1-B visa holders from around the world and Yeah, the H1-B's worked cheap, while the highly skilled, highly paid US workers went unemployed. Not this H1-B, I was highly skilled, and highly paid. America has a habit of going to sleep for a decade then waking up to discover the outside world has overtaken them (viz the HP / Motorola memory chip wakeup call, viz the collapse of Fairchild) America also has the phenonemal ability to re-invent itself. You were written off 15 years ago, It took a decade of imports, such as myself, to give your industries the breathing space they needed with new college Grads. The 'highly paid US workers' retrained during that time to get, highly paid. No-one ever said to me, ozzie go home. I would have been more than happy to. Yep, Mike, you're exactly the Indian subcontinent H1-B I was talking about. Couldn't communicate with them. They could code in C. But I I worked with an Australian contractor a few months back...he might have as well have been speaking a foreign tongue! I could only pick out every 3rd word...I think he filled his mouth with marbles in the morning before he came to work. -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.homeip.net/] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 23:23:38 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: has a caldera-like desire to achieve and maintain stability. mandrake is in many ways little more than a broken red hat. Ouch! I thought RedHat was broken enough! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 00:34:59 -0500 burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand that SuSE is common in Europe and 7.2 and 7.3 Pro are getting rave reviews as a server load, but for all intents and purposes, SuSE just doesn't exist in the North American corporate market. FWIW, I am running SuSE 7.2 Pro Maybe it's whiplash from their 6.x days when dieser dokumentation wast very Duetsche! Their broken english scared me off. They were the first distro I ever installed. Now I remember why Caldera is my first love. They were the second install (COL2.2) and the difference was night and day. (To say nothing of the fact that SuSE didn't get X working and COL was GUI from bootup/install. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
While I agree with some of what you said, Mike, I must add that as of February 4th, 2002, GUI apps for remote administration are still infants. They are relatively insecure and bloated in their use of bandwidth when compared with the their slick cousin, SSH. Yes, you can get lost in bash/etc... but that is because it is so powerful, as is the CLI. GUI's are great and I love to see more added to Linux all the time. I fight for Linux on the desktop and GUI-everything is what it is going to take. But when I administer remote clients (especially the poor souls locked into a 5 year contract with their 56k ISDN connection) SSH and the command line is what I want. Dated and trapped in a time-warp? Perhaps. Pragmatic? You betcha. On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 00:17:38 +1130 Mike Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:41, Burns MacDonald wrote: frontal lobotomy can produce a Windows OS clone. You're opinion is always worth respecting Burns but that's a cheap throway shot at explaining away the need to make an OS user friendly. A killer line to knock out opposition. (anyway, it takes a real idiot to create 10million lines of code and call it Windows, a lobotomy would have reduced the line count) The arcane blitheringly stupid cli syntax of Linux can get consigned to the dustbin where it deserved to be 20 years ago. The cli is an embarassment to those who use it. I no longer need to grep an awk before I bash it. It hasn't put one more hair on my chest. While I've learned a few more verbs since 1972 *nix hasn't kept up beyond the monosylable. We're stuck in a time warp with ls, tre, man, and a host of other inscrutable geek. The only reason people defend tar: a tape archiver for god's sake, is because it brings back fond memories of Bob Dylan, Coffee Shops and Duffel coats. (Ask them to be rational and the expression mists over) I'd call this geekspeak a high entry barrier when what I want to do is design T shirts and run accounts. If that were my profession, i'd like to love Linux, not wrestle it to the mat. CP/M did better. Bash syntax and the engine that runs it is more profuse with bloat than any complaint about kde. (read the maintainers' comments on same subject) Gui's and point n click assist in a need, and it doesn't equate to being a Windows clone. X is a good idea(tm). If there are similarities, then it's because Bill was savvy enough to use the original Xerox reccomendations, and the laid-in-concrete specifications for the 'special' keys of the keyboard, Not many people realise that the feel in windows look 'n feel is an IBM dictation(SAA something) for System 36/8 in existence prior to the PC, adopted by DEC, and passed on (partly) via the x-motif widget set. I would certainly back you in an argument where some distro was stupid enough to chase the Windoze market by emulating Windoze, but being a self-confessed gui-adorer doesn't make me a me-too Windoze luser. then maybe there are some users we just don't need to attract. /sunday evening rant too bloody right. I've never been attracted to *nix. I use it because Bill Gates and Steve Jobs gave me no choice. Linux has some way to go before I 'like' it. A decent gui is one. The MAC suffered because they insisted on a completely proprietary model in an increasingly generic market model. They were clobbered by the dominance of the PC clone model and all the explosive cross-development that brought with it. I would argue with you here, not on the clearness of above, but Steve's greed. The cause of all of the above ills were and are that Macs are crazily, greedily, unnecessarily, expensive. It was the Apple ][ that introduced the bus concept, *the* item from above that made all the difference for the Oem. Motorola fuelled to the 68040, a far better cpu in all respects than it's 80486 counterpart (not my say so, industry definition), Apple would not reduce the price sufficiently to get the cpu chip-volume up, Motorola, sensibly, gave the public what it deserved. Intel. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Mysql
On Monday 04 February 2002 05:08 am, Mike Andrew wrote: And it's this that gets me really really confuzed because, if there's a server such as mysql, where the hell is the front end for it? What obvious bit have I missed? I am using knoda to set up the database. It allows you to add/delete/edit database/tables/fields/index. knoda has a forms design tool as well as a querry tool. This has taken me some time to get this far as I know zip about database implementation but am learning. Initially I set up the database and its table and fields using Webmin. I then found knoda and compiled it. I haven't figured out how to set up the forms and querries yet but I'm getting there. After a whole lot of RTFM I do know how to setup querry criteria to acquire info from a database (command line) what I have to do now is to implement them within knoda. A local programmer has offered to come up with a program/script that will import data from various sources (ie: ecg cross ref data, motorola data etc) which will save a lot of input time. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
You make good points, Matthew. But seems to me that something Webmin-ish should be able to run over most any link. Webmin, imho, is the best candidate for a be-all administrator's gui tool. (Its many current shortcomings notwithstanding). But on the desktop I wish the likes of Mandrake, et al would stop mucking with their very functional but utterly oddball things like HardDrak and such. If we could put all their efforts into Kde Control Center the issue could shortly be put into the solved problem file. Michael On Monday 04 February 2002 09:40 am, Matthew Carpenter wrote: While I agree with some of what you said, Mike, I must add that as of February 4th, 2002, GUI apps for remote administration are still infants. They are relatively insecure and bloated in their use of bandwidth when compared with the their slick cousin, SSH. Yes, you can get lost in bash/etc... but that is because it is so powerful, as is the CLI. GUI's are great and I love to see more added to Linux all the time. I fight for Linux on the desktop and GUI-everything is what it is going to take. But when I administer remote clients (especially the poor souls locked into a 5 year contract with their 56k ISDN connection) SSH and the command line is what I want. Dated and trapped in a time-warp? Perhaps. Pragmatic? You betcha. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Monday 04 February 2002 06:47 am, Mike Andrew wrote: [snip] The arcane blitheringly stupid cli syntax of Linux can get consigned to the dustbin where it deserved to be 20 years ago. The cli is an embarassment to those who use it. I no longer need to grep an awk before I bash it. It hasn't put one more hair on my chest. While I've learned a few more verbs since 1972 *nix hasn't kept up beyond the monosylable. We're stuck in a time warp with ls, tre, man, and a host of other inscrutable geek. The only reason people defend tar: a tape archiver for god's sake, is because it brings back fond memories of Bob Dylan, Coffee Shops and Duffel coats. (Ask them to be rational and the expression mists over) I'd call this geekspeak a high entry barrier when what I want to do is design T shirts and run accounts. If that were my profession, i'd like to love Linux, not wrestle it to the mat. [snip] Gui's and point n click assist in a need, and it doesn't equate to being a Windows clone. X is a good idea(tm).[snip] Bravo! Wish I'd said all that. I would certainly back you in an argument where some distro was stupid enough to chase the Windoze market by emulating Windoze, but being a self-confessed gui-adorer doesn't make me a me-too Windoze luser. Agreed. But I believe the likes of Lycoris and Elx are contributing something real to Linux with innovation like simplified menu structure, simple network browser, preconfiguration targeted to end users, etc. It don't see any of the below as a foregone conclusion: 1) That an OS must be difficult to use in order to be powerful and stable. 2) That an OS cannot satisfy both users and gurus alike. 3) That emulating those things that Windows does well (*not* a null list) will somehow turn Linux into a proprietary, unsecure, unstable, expensive, resource hogging, reboot-and-reload clone of Windows. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Wierd mail problem...
Already thought about that, and gave it a go again. same problem no matter whats running. I feel it is some rogue piece of mail of some sorts, but cant figure out how it could cause my linux box to do something such as disconnect. Im haveing the isp check it and delete approximate messages. around the 135 mark of dls.. On Monday 04 February 2002 08:18, you were heard blurting out: On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 00:06, Bill Day wrote: downloads. Gets approximately 3/4 way through the dl of mail (135 of 195 [snip] absolutely unqualified here, but this is typical of an isp who has set the keep-alive wrong. I'ts not retriggering on icmp requests to port 110, just ignoring them. try activating a program like licq. If the line disconnects after (say) 10 mins of just licq. it's an isp issue. If not, keep licq running and read your mail, if it doesn't drop out, it's *definitely* an isp issue. -- Bill Day ( a.k.a. BadMan )188133 http://counter.li.org #linux-users irc.openprojects.net:6667 Our crystal tears now fall upon the ashes, but from the dust shall grow a spirit, to be in compassion for those who are lost, and one in determination to break those who dare test our resolve to be free... 9/11/01 http://www.daysdomain.com/tribute.html 11:30am up 187 days, 2:24, 12 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Wierd mail problem... [Solved]
Well, it seems to be taken care of now. Some rogue message from co.kr (spam) that everytime I tried to get, no matter what client I used, it would cause my connection to drop. had isp remove all messages in it and all seems good now. Thanks, On Monday 04 February 2002 11:44, you were heard blurting out: Already thought about that, and gave it a go again. same problem no matter whats running. I feel it is some rogue piece of mail of some sorts, but cant figure out how it could cause my linux box to do something such as disconnect. Im haveing the isp check it and delete approximate messages. around the 135 mark of dls.. On Monday 04 February 2002 08:18, you were heard blurting out: On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 00:06, Bill Day wrote: downloads. Gets approximately 3/4 way through the dl of mail (135 of 195 [snip] absolutely unqualified here, but this is typical of an isp who has set the keep-alive wrong. I'ts not retriggering on icmp requests to port 110, just ignoring them. try activating a program like licq. If the line disconnects after (say) 10 mins of just licq. it's an isp issue. If not, keep licq running and read your mail, if it doesn't drop out, it's *definitely* an isp issue. -- Bill Day ( a.k.a. BadMan )188133 http://counter.li.org #linux-users irc.openprojects.net:6667 Our crystal tears now fall upon the ashes, but from the dust shall grow a spirit, to be in compassion for those who are lost, and one in determination to break those who dare test our resolve to be free... 9/11/01 http://www.daysdomain.com/tribute.html 11:30am up 187 days, 2:24, 12 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Cartoon
Scribbling feverishly on February 04, burns managed to emit: This is a classic: http://images.ucomics.com/comics/fw/2002/fw020203.gif Classic indeed! Kurt -- You love your home and want it to be beautiful. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 12:17:38AM +1130, Mike Andrew wrote: On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:41, Burns MacDonald wrote: frontal lobotomy can produce a Windows OS clone. You're opinion is always worth respecting Burns but that's a cheap throway shot at explaining away the need to make an OS user friendly. A killer line to knock out opposition. (anyway, it takes a real idiot to create 10million lines of code and call it Windows, a lobotomy would have reduced the line count) The arcane blitheringly stupid cli syntax of Linux can get consigned to the dustbin where it deserved to be 20 years ago. The cli is an embarassment to those who use it... Bovine defacation! Doug Gwyn put it best when he said ``GUIs make simple things simple, and complex things impossible''. I'm not saying that GUIs aren't useful for many things, and I certainly would find life a lot harder without them. On the other hand, there are many things I can do much more easily and quickly from the command line than I can poking through endless menus and screens to accomplish the same thing. It's a lot easier to copy all the text files in a directory to a floppy by typing ``cp *.txt /auto/floppy'' than it is to select them with a GUI, right-click copy, go find the floppy in another file manager, then right-click paste. How many times have you been selecting files from a dialog box with ctrl-leftclick, only to let up on the ctrl key, and loose all the ones you had selected? Some applications are by nature GUI. GUIs make the infrequently performed system administration jobs more convenient. GUIs make it extremely difficult if not impossible to automate jobs. The best GUI administration tools are basically front ends for command line programs, and either display or log the commands they execute so that jobs that are done frequently can be repeated very quickly by putting those commands in a script. As an example of this, I frequently have to burn CDs containing all the vendor updates for a system along with all of the software we've written for installations, and the directory this is in has gotten too large to fit on a single CDrom so I have to exclude some files and directories. I did this with xcdroast, tweaking patterns until I got it right, then put the commands it used to make the ISO file system, burn, and verify the CD into a short script that I can now execute from the command line in less time than it takes to get xcdroast past the initial greeting screen (less people time, not the time to actually do the processing). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ A fake fortuneteller can be tolerated. But an authentic soothsayer should be shot on sight. Cassandra did not get half the kicking around she deserved. -- R.A. Heinlein ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
At 09:11 PM 2/3/2002, you wrote: Tyler wrote: They're all there, its just that Mandrake has practically eliminated the need for the CLI tools. Oh swell... like filling your car floor to ceiling with cotton candy, then trying to drive down the street. To clarify; the GUI tools are eliminating the need for CLI tools, not removing them from the distros. As Linux is all about choice (whereas M$ is about using M$ and nothing else) the simple fact that most GUIs are front-ends to CLI tools means you can use what you like. MS RANT SNIPPED. SEE Matt Carpenter's MSG ON SAME The Mac was there, but it succumbed to poor management, a 'hippy' mentality, and an accomplice factor that causes them to lump in with MS instead of compete. The MAC suffered because they insisted on a completely proprietary model in an increasingly generic market model. They were clobbered by the dominance of the PC clone model and all the explosive cross-development that brought with it. If Apple suffers from proprietary hardware then there would be decline and not growth. The popularity of the iMac, ridiculous as it may be, is clear indication that people want something simple and easy to use. And, lest we forget, the dominance of the PC platform was defined by the oft illegal marketing and contract policies of Microsoft. If market were based entirely on quality and ease of use then Amiga and Apple would own the market. Next comes Psion/Symbian. I know, this doesn't make much sense, but its a reality. EPOC32 and the Symbian OS (which are really quite similar) is very compatible with Windows and MS file formats, is extremely scalable (from phone to desktop), and handles Java and TCP/IP with native aplomb. Psion's inability to properly market handheld devices to the consumer and keep a steady flow of new, evolutionary devices coming did, however, clearly indicate that it will take longer to get to the desktop. Psion did a pretty good business in Europe, especially with their handhelds devices... they were years ahead of the current PDA market. However, they became stagnant and are starting to lose share in a market they should have dominated. They easily could have been Palm, but for old boy parochialism and an inability to think globally and reach beyond regional markets. You're a PDA guy - you should know that. Begging your pardon, Burns, but I that's what I said. Psion's withdrawal from the consumer market was created by their inability to properly market the devices to consumers and their lack of new products that met the demands of the user. That they bowed to the parochial is moot as made clear by the ludicrous introduction of the SonicBlue/Diamond Mako as an entry into the US market. Too little, too late. Tyler ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Wierd mail problem... [Solved]
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 12:05:15PM -0500, Bill Day wrote: Well, it seems to be taken care of now. Some rogue message from co.kr (spam) that everytime I tried to get, no matter what client I used, it would cause my connection to drop. had isp remove all messages in it and all seems good now. This may be a case where using IMAP would have solved the problem since it doesn't move messages to the client until you specifically open the message to view it. IMAP just gets the basic header information from each document so your mail client can display the messages available. When one of ISP customers gets a problem like this, I usually have them open the customer's mailbox with mutt so they can see and delete the offending messages. This can cause problems though because one of our ISP's customers asked one of their support people to fix his mailbox. The support person told him that she would have to look at his mail messages to fix it. She found a bunch of kiddie porn in the mail, and now the customer's a guest of the state. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent. -- H. L. Mencken ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Konqueror problem in kde 2.2.2 (hopefully solved)
On Wednesday 30 January 2002 21:36, I wrote: now konqueror seemed to stall for 5-6 seconds before any directory opened, and it did so with any subdirectory, which is rather annoying and makes you appreciate command line again ... I browsed the kde mailing lists and found that the delay in opening a folder in konqueror might be due to a bug in qt-2.3.2. So I downgraded to qt-2.3.1 and experienced no problems with kde up to now, although the kde 2.2.2 rpms on RH 7.2 seem to be compiled against qt-2.3.2 (I had to use rpm -Uvh --nodeps --force qt ... to downgrade). Klaus ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
At 10:04 AM 2/4/2002, you wrote: Bovine defacation! Doug Gwyn put it best when he said ``GUIs make simple things simple, and complex things impossible''. Doug Gwyn was incorrect. Good GUI design makes everything simple. Bad GUI design makes doing anything unbearable. I'm not saying that GUIs aren't useful for many things, and I certainly would find life a lot harder without them. On the other hand, there are many things I can do much more easily and quickly from the command line than I can poking through endless menus and screens to accomplish the same thing. It's a lot easier to copy all the text files in a directory to a floppy by typing ``cp *.txt /auto/floppy'' than it is to select them with a GUI, right-click copy, go find the floppy in another file manager, then right-click paste. How many times have you been selecting files from a dialog box with ctrl-leftclick, only to let up on the ctrl key, and loose all the ones you had selected? While I've never had to use two file managers to copy files to a floppy I can certainly understand why you selected this task as one complicated by a GUI. Of course, I'm talking about GUI design and not existing GUI technology. One should be able to select a number of files and then send them to floppy with a one click affair. A five file transfer should take no more than six clicks, seven tops. I also commiserate with you on the multiple select problem, but consider how much time it would take to copy several files of varying extension types from different directories to a floppy. Some applications are by nature GUI. GUIs make the infrequently performed system administration jobs more convenient. GUIs make it extremely difficult if not impossible to automate jobs. I think you have this backwards. A CLI tool is fine for infrequent management tasks. You can call it easily from a console. You can add it to a script or automate it with cron or what have you. You can concatenate it with other tools. OTOH, a GUI is well suited to frequent tasks for reporting and administration. Being able to glance at an activity monitor or click once to add a user is a time saver. The best GUI administration tools are basically front ends for command line programs, and either display or log the commands they execute so that jobs that are done frequently can be repeated very quickly by putting those commands in a script. Here, I emphatically agree with you. And its really this that offers the best tool for what the user prefers. Prefer the CLI, use it. Want a GUI, here it is. Same tool, different interface. Then again, there are some tools that are, as you've stated before, decidedly GUI oriented. A paint or illustration tool ala GIMP is a good example. --- Tyler Regas PHM Editor-in-Chief [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.pdahandyman.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RE: OT MS product placement
Yep, Mike, you're exactly the Indian subcontinent H1-B I was talking about. Couldn't communicate with them. They could code in C. But I speak English and Spanish, not C or Indian (any dialect). And the ones I knew of were not well paid, no where near as well paid as the English speaking C programmers who were looking for (and not finding) work they could make a living off. In the late 80's/early 90's I headed a software team made up almost exclusively of people for whom English was a second language. Some were pretty sharp, some were dull as marbles. Some were fractious, some were total team players. The only Indian of the bunch, however, was a *very* dedicated worker. She called me at 8:30 one morning to ask if it was all right if she didn't come to work that day. Her son had been born at 5:30 (a week premature) and her maternity leave wasn't scheduled to start until the next Monday. She did quality work -- not brilliant, but thorough. It was a pleasure to work with people that dedicated. I have no idea what their pay scale was. I do know, however, that management gave the big raise to the only one I'd have fired. They didn't bother to ask the lead for inputs, though. That company is now about 10% of the size it was. Oh, and we completed a project in 15 months that sales had promised in 9, so we were considered a failure. The fact that the Systems Engineer told them it was an 18 month project, and that none of the three other companies trying to deliver in the same time frame finished in two years wasn't even considered. This was accomplished despite the language problems in a mix of: 2 Chinese from Hong Kong 2 Chinese from Taiwan 1 Indian 3 Syrians (*don't* call them Arabs) 1 Canadian 3 US citizens We in the US have a distorted view of a living wage. Most of the world would be glad to have what we refer to as poverty. The difference being that they would make much better use of that money. They haven't bought into the gadgets mentality that the US has. I know a poor person who always is broke, but always has that latest CD that he wants. You can also tell when the bean counters have taken over the Engineering department. Don't blame the people who are improving their lives, blame the bean counters. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) +--+ | Thomas A. Condonemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Computer Engineer phone: (360) 315-7609| | Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358| +--+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Monday 04 Feb 2002 23:30, Keith Antoine wrote: On Sunday 03 February 2002 04:56 pm, Peter Ruskin warbled: I have 8.1 and Cooker, Keith. Do menudrake - Action - Menu style - Standard menu. Ok managed to do thata, thanks. There are loads of mirrors, I use these ( I won't list Cooker because you probably won't want that ) : ftp://ftp.sunet.se/Mandrake-devel/contrib/ ftp://ftp.sunet.se/Mandrake/updates/8.1/ ftp://ftp.sunet.se/Mandrake-devel/unsupported/8.1/ I believe that Software Manager will check the net if you're online and find sources for you. I have managed for the first time to update from online, no idea what Good. the source was though. However are ther not total new updates like later kernael available ?? There are currently 105 RPMs in Mandrake/updates/8.1/, including kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk. Mandrake-devel/unsupported/8.1/ has 66 RPMs plus 4 sub-directories. -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. AMD Athlon XP 1600+, 512MB RAM. Registered Linux User 219434. Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (Vitamin) Kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk-win4lin, XFree86 4.1.0, patch level 21mdk. KDE: 2.2.2. Qt: 2.3.2. Up 1 hour 39 minutes. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
fstab problems
Ladies Gentlemen, I'm back at the trough. Appreciate any and all help. I was monkeying around with the /etc/fstab on hdb1 and buggered it up and need help. Following The Llama's advice I had purchased Running Linux 3rd Ed. and am able to get at the file, but can't seem to get it right. Here is a copy of the file I have on hdb3; devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 /proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto,exec 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto defaults,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/hdb2 swap swap defaults 0 0 */dev/hdb3 / ext2 defaults 1 3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 vfat ro 0 0 */dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 ext2 defaults 1 0 Would exchanging the *'d lines make it work? I thought I'd done that, but it didn't seem to work. I saved it in emacs with C-x C-s. The reason I think it is the fstab file is on bootup the Checking file systems Fail's and when it gets to System loggers it freezes. By the way I have to start the hdb3 with a rescue floppy. So/Or could the /bootgrub/menu.lst be the buggered one? Thanks, again. Bob ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Wierd mail problem...
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:36:13 -0500 begin Bill Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: I am having a wierd problem.. using 1 of 2 accounts with my ISP's mails ervice the account I used to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] will no longer complete downloads. Gets approximately 3/4 way through the dl of mail (135 of 195 messages) and I get disconnected. This is the wierd part. first it was in KMail, 2.1.1. So I deleted the accoutn and a set it back up on KMail. continued the same behavior. Second I setup the account on a Windows box with LookOut 5.5(128bit) and the problem has continues. I even tried this in pine on a console as well. My question, would a malformed mail header cause this? Or has anyone ever experienced this? I was not running an imap setup(haven't had time to set it up). I am going to contact the ISP today and have them 'reset' the account. Of course it is run through winders, the ISP, so its really got me.I have a total of 3, 1 for the wife and 2 for me. Only one does this. my other one and hers do not do this from any client here. There are one or two pop3 servers (cucipop comes to mind) that will exhibit this behavior when an e-mail is larger than 2Mb. But if that's the case, you have idiots working in the ISP who should limit incoming mail (sendmail will do this) to under 2Mb in size but haven't. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: fstab problems
--- Robert L. Hemus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was monkeying around with the /etc/fstab on hdb1 and buggered it up and need help. Following The Llama's advice I had purchased Running Linux 3rd Ed. and am able to get at the file, but can't seem to get it right. Here is a copy of the file I have on hdb3; devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 /proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto,exec 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto defaults,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/hdb2 swap swap defaults 0 0 */dev/hdb3 / ext2 defaults 1 3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 vfat ro 0 0 */dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 ext2 defaults 1 0 Would exchanging the *'d lines make it work? I thought I'd done that, but it didn't seem to work. I saved it in emacs with C-x C-s. The reason I think it is the fstab file is on bootup the Checking file systems Fail's and when it gets to System loggers it freezes. By the way I have to start the hdb3 with a rescue floppy. So/Or could the /bootgrub/menu.lst be the buggered one? Your problem is a bad fsck, not anything related to /etc/fstab or GRUB. If checking the filesystem fails, then you need to run a manual fsck against each unmounted or read-only ext2 partition. I have no clue what /mnt/hdb1 is supposed to be, but its certainly not a standard mountpoint. What did fstab look like before you started touching it? = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Wierd mail problem...
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:11:22PM -0500, David A. Bandel wrote: ... There are one or two pop3 servers (cucipop comes to mind) that will exhibit this behavior when an e-mail is larger than 2Mb. But if that's the case, you have idiots working in the ISP who should limit incoming mail (sendmail will do this) to under 2Mb in size but haven't. While I agree with the sentiment, it doesn't work in the Real World(tm) where customers insist on using e-mail to do file transfers instead of ftp. They bitch like crazy with 2MB limits, and many ISPs kick this up to 8MB or so. I don't know how many times I've gotten calls where some idiot's mailed the family photo album as a Word document full of BMP attachments. Then they wondered why they could never retrieve their mail from the server -- even it it's on the same LAN! The last time I had to fix one of these, the user's mailbox was well over 100MB, and contained three copies of the same 33MB message. I always point them to my on-line help page on this, but it never seems to go any good. As they say, ``you can always tell a Harvard Man, but not much''. http://www.celestial.com/on-line-help/mailfiles.html Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.'' -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Wierd mail problem...
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:40:59 -0800 begin Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:11:22PM -0500, David A. Bandel wrote: ... There are one or two pop3 servers (cucipop comes to mind) that will exhibit this behavior when an e-mail is larger than 2Mb. But if that's the case, you have idiots working in the ISP who should limit incoming mail (sendmail will do this) to under 2Mb in size but haven't. While I agree with the sentiment, it doesn't work in the Real World(tm) where customers insist on using e-mail to do file transfers instead of ftp. They bitch like crazy with 2MB limits, and many ISPs kick this up to 8MB or so. I don't know how many times I've gotten calls where some idiot's mailed the family photo album as a Word document full of BMP attachments. Then they wondered why they could never retrieve their mail from the server-- even it it's on the same LAN! The last time I had to fix one of these, the user's mailbox was well over 100MB, and contained three copies of the same 33MB message. Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt. Not all pop3 servers exhibit this behavior, so a better pop3 server is needed. Guys that work at ISPs really should have a clue, but ... I've been working with one here whose network guy doesn't understand the importance of the proper netmask on a router. Go figure. I have a very large client that sends equally large (mostly autocad files) attachments. And when the network goes down from here to Sweden (their headquarters), and folks are sending each other 9Mb mp3's as well as all the large autocad files, the predictable always happens. I've rescued them twice, and both times expanded their /var filesystem. But it will happen again next time the transatlantic line goes down in the middle of the morning. I bet even the 20Gb /var they now have will fill (largest disk drive I could get on short notice). That's up from the 9Gb one I put on the first time (their original install was done by their first administrator who only put a 300Mb /var filesystem in on a dedicated e-mail server with 100+ engineers using it). Fortunately, they don't have one of those silly limited pop3 servers or they'd have had two nightmares. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Poor Man's Remote Admin
I'm setting up a simple lan server for a client. It's behind a NAT router so I can't actually do any remote admin. But I can at least keep track of how goes it on the server with a simple script file that runs 1-2 times per day and emails me the output of, say: df ps -aux free tail --lines=50 /var/log/messages dmesg Anything else that would be useful? What is the easiest way to send a simple text email from the command line? Thanks, Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 03:10, Matthew Carpenter wrote: They are relatively insecure and bloated in their use of bandwidth when compared with the their slick cousin, SSH. agreed. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Suggested module for PCI LAN Card..?
I am about to blow my uptime to throw another NIC into my box, 8^(, but the only ones I havve currently are Linksys EtherPCI LAN Card II's. I have th available PCI slots but I can't seem to find anything on the Caldera Hardware Compatibility about them.. Anyone currently using the mentioned card and if so what module are you using with it. I have a stock eDesktop 2.4 kernel installed and currently an NetGear FA310TX in the box running on a tulip.o module. TIA, -- Bill Day Our crystal tears now fall upon the ashes, but from the dust shall grow a spirit, to be in compassion for those who are lost, and one in determination to break those who dare test our resolve to be free... 9/11/01 http://www.daysdomain.com/tribute.html 6:30pm up 187 days, 9:24, 12 users, load average: 2.39, 2.28, 1.80 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Suggested module for PCI LAN Card..?
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:09:54 -0500 Bill Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in frustration: I am about to blow my uptime to throw another NIC into my box, 8^( snippage 6:30pm up 187 days, 9:24, 12 users, load average: 2.39, 2.28, 1.80 ___ Hey Bill, Why not wait just two weeks and put yourself over the 200 day mark? ;o) Mike -- Many loads of beer were brought. What disorder, whoring, fighting, killing, and dreadful idolatry took place there. Baltasar Rusow, Estonia, mid 16th Century ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Suggested module for PCI LAN Card..?
According to LinkSys support page they work fine with the ne2000 driver. Link: http://www.linksys.com/support/support.asp?spid=26 Michael On Monday 04 February 2002 06:09 pm, Bill Day wrote: I am about to blow my uptime to throw another NIC into my box, 8^(, but the only ones I havve currently are Linksys EtherPCI LAN Card II's. I have th available PCI slots but I can't seem to find anything on the Caldera Hardware Compatibility about them.. Anyone currently using the mentioned card and if so what module are you using with it. I have a stock eDesktop 2.4 kernel installed and currently an NetGear FA310TX in the box running on a tulip.o module. TIA, ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Suggested module for PCI LAN Card..?
By the time that they have the stuff running it will likely be about 2 more weeks before I actually get on the service. but I want to get a car in and working so I can get away fromt he dialup crapola as soon as possible 8^) SO I just wanna see what someone else with a Linksys EtherPCI LAN Card II is using for a module.. ne2000, tulip.. etc. On Monday 04 February 2002 19:13, you were heard blurting out: On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:09:54 -0500 Bill Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in frustration: I am about to blow my uptime to throw another NIC into my box, 8^( snippage 6:30pm up 187 days, 9:24, 12 users, load average: 2.39, 2.28, 1.80 ___ Hey Bill, Why not wait just two weeks and put yourself over the 200 day mark? ;o) Mike -- Bill Day Our crystal tears now fall upon the ashes, but from the dust shall grow a spirit, to be in compassion for those who are lost, and one in determination to break those who dare test our resolve to be free... 9/11/01 http://www.daysdomain.com/tribute.html 6:30pm up 187 days, 9:24, 12 users, load average: 2.39, 2.28, 1.80 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Suggested module for PCI LAN Card..?
Why thank you Mr. Hipp I truly despise Linksys site.. way to many graphics crap on it 8^) but im reading the link now On Monday 04 February 2002 19:16, you were heard blurting out: According to LinkSys support page they work fine with the ne2000 driver. Link: http://www.linksys.com/support/support.asp?spid=26 Michael On Monday 04 February 2002 06:09 pm, Bill Day wrote: I am about to blow my uptime to throw another NIC into my box, 8^(, but the only ones I havve currently are Linksys EtherPCI LAN Card II's. I have th available PCI slots but I can't seem to find anything on the Caldera Hardware Compatibility about them.. Anyone currently using the mentioned card and if so what module are you using with it. I have a stock eDesktop 2.4 kernel installed and currently an NetGear FA310TX in the box running on a tulip.o module. TIA, ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Bill Day Our crystal tears now fall upon the ashes, but from the dust shall grow a spirit, to be in compassion for those who are lost, and one in determination to break those who dare test our resolve to be free... 9/11/01 http://www.daysdomain.com/tribute.html 6:30pm up 187 days, 9:24, 12 users, load average: 2.39, 2.28, 1.80 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Poor Man's Remote Admin
On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:51:45 -0600 begin Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: I'm setting up a simple lan server for a client. It's behind a NAT router so I can't actually do any remote admin. But I can at least keep track of how goes it on the server with a simple script file that runs 1-2 times per day and emails me the output of, say: df ps -aux free tail --lines=50 /var/log/messages dmesg Anything else that would be useful? What is the easiest way to send a simple text email from the command line? Look around for something called dailyscript. I still have it (and have customized it heavily, so it probably won't work for you). I just mash it around a bit for each distro/release. Wouldn't be without it. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 04:34, Bill Campbell wrote: It's a lot easier to copy all the text files in a directory to a floppy by typing ``cp *.txt /auto/floppy'' than it is to select them with a GUI, right-click copy, go find the floppy in another file manager, then It's a lot easier to make a typo, too. The best GUI administration tools are basically front ends for command line [snip] No contest. A good gui is a visual front end to a script. It might contain additional checks, some automation etc, but that's the bottom line. There's no fite about the goodness(tm) of a cli. It's evolvement under *nix has a lot to answer for. It doesn't need to be that tuff. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Poor Man's Remote Admin
I use mutt for email attachments. I haven't found the option to attach things with mail. so: echo This is your message in the letter body sent `date` | mutt -s Update -a FileToAttach YourAddress What is the easiest way to send a simple text email from the command line? ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: MySQL front ends, was: Re: no printing from kmail
On Monday 04 Feb 2002 21:08, David A. Bandel wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 00:38:23 +1130 begin Mike Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:18, Ted Ozolins wrote: Aside from tutorials on the web, and help from some local programmers, I'll be attempting to set up Mysql for this. sometimes I practice really really hard to be an idiot. This is one where I went the extra mile and outdid myself. I cannot find *anything* out there in gui land that even begins to do it. All this talk about mysql etc is find and good but what front end are you going to use. I've tried Kylix, hk_classes, even kde's not-for-public-consumption Kbase, I cannot find a single front end that will let me enter data into a (mysql) dbase or any other 'server'. And it's this that gets me really really confuzed because, if there's a server such as mysql, where the hell is the front end for it? What obvious bit have I missed? xmysql, webmin mysql module, phpmysqladmin, and there are others (tk module, ...) Ciao, David A. Bandel ... and from KDE there are Rekall and knoda -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. AMD Athlon XP 1600+, 512MB RAM. Registered Linux User 219434. Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (Vitamin) Kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk-win4lin, XFree86 4.1.0, patch level 21mdk. KDE: 2.2.2. Qt: 2.3.2. Up 6 hours 36 minutes. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 11:44:48AM +1130, Mike Andrew wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 04:34, Bill Campbell wrote: It's a lot easier to copy all the text files in a directory to a floppy by typing ``cp *.txt /auto/floppy'' than it is to select them with a GUI, right-click copy, go find the floppy in another file manager, then It's a lot easier to make a typo, too. Yabbut with command history, it's easy to fix it and rerun the command. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.'' -- Frederick Douglass. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Sylpheed vs courier-imap and shared mailboxes
Is anybody here using sylpheed with courier-imap, managing folders on the IMAP server? In particular, I'm interested in using shared folders, but don't see them at all using sylpheed-0.7.0. The sylpheed-0.7.0claw release appears to handle shared folders, but I haven't built it yet to try it on the servers. My goal is to encourage business users to keep their folders on the IMAP server where they may be accessible from their normal desktops, and via a webmail or IMAP interface when away from the office as well (and I can still use mutt on my mailboxes since I'll run it on the server :-). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Independent self-reliant people would be a counterproductive anachronism in the collective society of the future where people will be defined by their associations.'' 1896 John Dewey, educational philosopher, proponent of modern public schools. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Wierd mail problem...
David A. Bandel wrote: snip I bet even the 20Gb /var they now have will fill (largest disk drive I could get on short notice). That's up from the 9Gb one I put on the first time (their original install was done by their first administrator who only put a 300Mb /var filesystem in on a dedicated e-mail server with 100+ engineers using it). Ciao, David A. Bandel snip Sounds similar to what I inherited at my current job. 1300+ users on a 2.1G drive running Post.Office on AIX. First thing I did was cd /var/spool/mailbox (Post.Office's default directory) find . -mtime +30 | xargs rm -f Regained almost a gig of space. If people hadn't pulled mail for a month, it wasn't *that* important. I've just finished another machine to replace it with an 18G drive just for /var/spool/mailbox, mirroring both rootvg and mailvg volume groups. This will hopefully last until this summer when it will be replaced with a linux/sendmail machine. -- Andrew Mathews 7:40pm up 14 days, 10:17, 7 users, load average: 1.04, 1.05, 1.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Poor Man's Remote Admin
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:25:07 -0500 David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look around for something called dailyscript. I still have it (and have customized it heavily, so it probably won't work for you). I just mash it around a bit for each distro/release. Wouldn't be without it. found it here... http://speakeasy.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=dailyscript -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Alberta Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://mylesg.homelinux.net/ -- PROGRAM - n. A magic spell cast over a computer allowing it to turn one's input into error messages. v. tr.- To engage in a pastime similar to banging one's head against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
ssh X11 forwarding weirdness
I've got 2 boxes networked together with a patch cable. I can SSH back forth between them without a single problem. However, if i try to run an X app while SSH'ed into either, the resulting behavior is very very weird: 1) Some applications refuse to run altogether with the error Error: Can't open display:. Netscape is one of them. Others do run, however, this leads to the 2nd bit of weirdness 2) They appear on the monitor of the box where they are running (the box I'm SSH'd into) rather than the box where the ssh client is running. I've never seen such strange behavior before, and i've worked with similar setups. Anyone have any ideas? = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Poor Man's Remote Admin
On Feb 4 David A. Bandel was heard saying: -On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:51:45 -0600 -begin Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: - snip - What is the easiest way to send a simple text email from the command - line? *** Is this related to geting information from your server that's behind NAT? In that case make a script which will write the output of what you want to see in a a text file and mail it with: #!/bin/bash echo = df output = /tmp/output.txt df /tmp/output.txt echo = ps output = /tmp/output.txt (= etc...) ps -aux /tmp/output.txt free /tmp/output.txt tail --lines=50 /var/log/messages /tmp/output.txt dmesg /tmp/output.txt mail -s Info my clients server [EMAIL PROTECTED] /tmp/output.txt This is just to get you going, I spent 0 sec. testing it... ;-) Cheers, Zoran. -- If you find me, please return me to my $HOME: my address is 'cd'. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
Today Mike Andrew was heard saying: -On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:41, Burns MacDonald wrote: - - frontal lobotomy can produce a Windows OS clone. - snip -count) The arcane blitheringly stupid cli syntax of Linux can get consigned -to the dustbin where it deserved to be 20 years ago. The cli is an *** But before that somebody will have to come with a valid alternative. At this point I don't see any so I don't think you should send something to a dustbin without having something new and better to replace it. The arcane blitheringly stupid cli syntax is the building stone of a lot of things, scripts for one, which would end up in the dustbin too. Don't you think you're a bit short sighted? -embarassment to those who use it. I no longer need to grep an awk before I *** No not at all. Why an embarrassment? I'm very much OK the way it is. -bash it. It hasn't put one more hair on my chest. While I've learned a few -more verbs since 1972 *nix hasn't kept up beyond the monosylable. We're -stuck in a time warp with ls, tre, man, and a host of other inscrutable geek. -The only reason people defend tar: a tape archiver for god's sake, is -because it brings back fond memories of Bob Dylan, Coffee Shops and Duffel -coats. (Ask them to be rational and the expression mists over) *** Simplicity (tar cvf [output.file] [input file] is all it takes), compatibility, the fact it exists and nobody came up with something else. Furthermore, advance or something better does not necessarily mean something else. If it works don't brake it. It works, why changing? -I'd call this geekspeak a high entry barrier when what I want to do is design -T shirts and run accounts. If that were my profession, i'd like to love -Linux, not wrestle it to the mat. CP/M did better. Bash syntax and the engine -that runs it is more profuse with bloat than any complaint about kde. (read -the maintainers' comments on same subject) *** You switched on your rant mode!? Your views used to be more balanced. snip -but being a self-confessed gui-adorer doesn't make me a me-too Windoze -luser. *** Is this what p* you off. OK, I can understand that. -then maybe there are some users we just don't need to attract. -/sunday evening rant - -too bloody right. I've never been attracted to *nix. I use it because -Bill Gates and Steve Jobs gave me no choice. Linux has some way to go -before I 'like' it. A decent gui is one. *** You do not use it because you believe it can solve your problem but because you do not have a choice. I think that is your problem. Cheers, Zoran. -- If you find me, please return me to my $HOME: my address is 'cd'. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Poor Man's Remote Admin
On Monday 04 February 2002 06:25 pm, David A. Bandel wrote: Look around for something called dailyscript. I still have it (and have customized it heavily, so it probably won't work for you). I just mash it around a bit for each distro/release. Wouldn't be without it. Thanks. I'll check out DailyScript. In looking for DS, I came across LogWatch that the author claims is better'n DS. Might be worth a look: http://www.kaybee.org/~kirk/html/linux.html Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
