Re: [Linux-users] WAS Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete NOW Evolution connection

2012-10-12 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Fri 12 Oct 2012 11:57:20 NZDT +1300, Jim Cheetham wrote: It would help, except for the fact that Evolution/GNOME(?) have simply ignored the whole use-case of I do not want Network Manager to manage my network, but I have not uninstalled it. NM is a user-based tool, which is very good if

Re: [Linux-users] Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete

2012-10-12 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Fri 12 Oct 2012 21:50:47 NZDT +1300, chris wrote: gmail accepts imap... using dialup? Yes. Dialup is a method to connect to the Internet. How you connect to the Internet is totally irrelevant for how you connect to your mail server. I don't expect the traffic volume to be substantially

Re: [Linux-users] Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete

2012-10-12 Thread John
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:50:47 +1300 chris wrote: On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 17:57 +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 17:50 +1300, chris wrote: On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 17:34 +1300, Nick Rout wrote: snip open to try anything (within limits). :-) As long as you are

Re: [Linux-users] Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete

2012-10-12 Thread chris
On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 21:58 +1300, John wrote: On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:50:47 +1300 chris wrote: snip using dialup? Why should/would using dialup make any difference? John asking because of lack of knowledge on my part, so thank you your reply has answered my query. Regards Chris

Re: [Linux-users] Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete

2012-10-12 Thread Helmut Walle
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: On Fri 12 Oct 2012 21:50:47 NZDT +1300, chris wrote: gmail accepts imap... using dialup? Yes. Dialup is a method to connect to the Internet. How you connect to the Internet is totally irrelevant for how you connect to your mail server. I don't

Re: [Linux-users] Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete

2012-10-12 Thread chris
On Sat, 2012-10-13 at 11:16 +1300, Helmut Walle wrote: On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: snip Just some thoughts... Kind regards, Helmut. Many thanks to you all, and special thanks to Volker and Helmut. The information was exactly what I needed to move forward. At least, at my

Re: [Linux-users] Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete

2012-10-12 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 18:53 +1300, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: 2/ If installed on Gnome does it need lots of KDE stuff as well? Are you serious? What exactly is your problem here? Shall we pass a hat around so you can buy yourself a 10GB hard disk extension from Molten Media? Volker If you

Re: [Linux-users] WAS Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete NOW Evolution connection

2012-10-12 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 19:01 +1300, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: On Fri 12 Oct 2012 11:57:20 NZDT +1300, Jim Cheetham wrote: It would help, except for the fact that Evolution/GNOME(?) have simply ignored the whole use-case of I do not want Network Manager to manage my network, but I have not

Re: [Linux-users] Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete

2012-10-12 Thread chris
On Sat, 2012-10-13 at 12:11 +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 18:53 +1300, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: 2/ If installed on Gnome does it need lots of KDE stuff as well? Are you serious? What exactly is your problem here? Shall we pass a hat around so you can buy yourself a

Re: [Linux-users] WAS Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete NOW Evolution connection

2012-10-12 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Sat 13 Oct 2012 12:13:08 NZDT +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: I do not use NM for my VPNs, just the main network connection. There is no requirement to do so for OpenVPN. How do you start your openvpn? I tried to do so directly, which works fine as far as extablishing the tunnel is concerned,

Re: [Linux-users] Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete

2012-10-12 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Sat 13 Oct 2012 11:16:56 NZDT +1300, Helmut Walle wrote: Regarding the claim some made here that all email clients suck... agreed, obviously with the one notable exception of pine / alpine... Hehe, that pine in the a... is always the first thing I send to /dev/null. When downloading mail

Re: [Linux-users] Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete

2012-10-12 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Sat 13 Oct 2012 12:11:00 NZDT +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: If you notice, the OP is on dialup Robert on dialup? No I didn't notice. Doesn't the basic install media cover all the basic desktop stuff? It does for me, so dropping extra desktop stuff onto disk doesn't involve more downloads.

Re: [Linux-users] WAS Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete NOW Evolution connection

2012-10-12 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Sat, 2012-10-13 at 12:30 +1300, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: On Sat 13 Oct 2012 12:13:08 NZDT +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: I do not use NM for my VPNs, just the main network connection. There is no requirement to do so for OpenVPN. How do you start your openvpn? I tried to do so directly,

Re: [Linux-users] WAS Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete NOW Evolution connection

2012-10-12 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Sat 13 Oct 2012 13:01:28 NZDT +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: Openvpn is started automagically at bootup. I'm still in the land of /etc/init.d/ wherever possible myself. Routing tables are modified from the server config on startup of that connection. look at the (eg) server 10.12.14.0

Re: [Linux-users] Chit chat Re: Testing List - please delete

2012-10-12 Thread Robert Fisher
On 13/10/12 12:52, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: On Sat 13 Oct 2012 12:11:00 NZDT +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: If you notice, the OP is on dialup Robert on dialup? No I didn't notice. No I was not the original poster but I was inquiring on his behalf. -- Robert