Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:51:05 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: snippage Speaking of roasts, how 'bout the ``I can eat hotter food than you'' contest between Evan, Calamity, et al. == hehehe I joined the list just about that time and I remember being confused thinking I had joined the wrong list. Was fun though!! Mike -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this ... Mike Andrew He helped me alot. Wherever he is, God bless him. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On 08/02/03 06:20, Michael Hipp wrote: Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this ... Mike Andrew He helped me alot. Wherever he is, God bless him. Last I heard he's still on Norfolk Island, in self-imposed exile. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:50am up 18 days, 9:32, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 08:20:35 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this ... Mike Andrew He helped me alot. Wherever he is, God bless him. Amen, brother. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Net Llama! wrote: Mike Andrew Last I heard he's still on Norfolk Island, in self-imposed exile. Maybe we should organize a Skippy-esque manhunt. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Quoth Michael Hipp: Net Llama! wrote: Mike Andrew Last I heard he's still on Norfolk Island, in self-imposed exile. Maybe we should organize a Skippy-esque manhunt. No, I don't think so. Mikey left the list for reasons he alone can explain. He's alive and well and gainfully occupied. Kurt -- Mr. Cole's Axiom: The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:20 pm, Michael Hipp wrote: Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this ... Mike Andrew He helped me alot. Wherever he is, God bless him. Michael Being a Norfolk islander, thats where he will still be. His address will be hard to get though. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:54 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On 08/02/03 06:20, Michael Hipp wrote: Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this ... Mike Andrew He helped me alot. Wherever he is, God bless him. Last I heard he's still on Norfolk Island, in self-imposed exile. They are a special sort of people, one cannot live there unless you have a Norfolk hereitage or kin. They have there own languauge, its rare for them to leave the island except on business etc. Colleen McCullough lives there as she married an islander, loves the isolation. Its 2 hrs North on NZ and 2 Hrs East of Sydney in the Sth Pacific and it ain't big. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:34 am, Michael Hipp wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Mike Andrew Last I heard he's still on Norfolk Island, in self-imposed exile. Maybe we should organize a Skippy-esque manhunt. As I said he is isolated and frankly all the islanders want it that way. They govern themselves although they are still uner Oz Govt umbrella. Its a beautiful place very small and its popular here as a short holiday destination. However they restrict the number of visitors to the available accomodation also its not cheap. Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Quoth dep: quoth Keith Antoine: | As I said he is isolated and frankly all the islanders want it that | way. They govern themselves although they are still uner Oz Govt | umbrella. Its a beautiful place very small and its popular here as a | short holiday destination. However they restrict the number of | visitors to the available accomodation also its not cheap. and they have a great national slogan: we don't smoke. we don't drink. norfolk, norfolk, norfolk! Which likely explains the population problem... Kurt -- Valerie: Aww, Tom, you're going maudlin on me ... Tom: I reserve the right to wax maudlin as I wane eloquent ... -- Tom Chapin ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:47:36 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: quoth Keith Antoine: | As I said he is isolated and frankly all the islanders want it that | way. They govern themselves although they are still uner Oz Govt | umbrella. Its a beautiful place very small and its popular here as a | short holiday destination. However they restrict the number of | visitors to the available accomodation also its not cheap. and they have a great national slogan: we don't smoke. we don't drink. norfolk, norfolk, norfolk! === Gee, dep, Keith made it sound rather intriguing. No drinking?? sigh I just lost interest ;o) Mike (not Andrew) -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
:) Oh, I can imagine that I got a well-deserved roasting... begin On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:08:36 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can tell you've been talking to my ex-wives. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Development and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
I think it was Doug, too, that fixed the script I needed fixed... I think it was DHCP screwing with the hosts file or somethingorother :) begin On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:45:20 -0500 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List All have said a lot about ed, but when I was fairly new then I tried 4 or 5 distros, they all had some problem to get them up and going. ED, put in the cd make a few slections in about 45 minutes to an hour you were syrfing the net. No muss, no fuss. Easy to learn, easier to maintain. and with Dougs fix of checkinstall, I think it was Doug, if wrong I 'm sorry, we had another tool to build our programs. My $0.02. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Development and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
What about his email address? [EMAIL PROTECTED] or something like that? begin On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:21:05 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a Norfolk islander, thats where he will still be. His address will be hard to get though. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Development and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
chkconfig smb on chkconfig nmb on They separated the file service from the name service so they both need to be started... The chkconfig utility is quite nice. On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:33:43 -0500 Alma J Wetzker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am testing out SuSE and I still can't get samba to startup automagically on reboot. (Something about xinetd that I still need to chase down..., or maybe figure out how to start webmin...) -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Development and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Caldera made a nice cake, but D.B. and friends put on the 'fine' icing! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:05:47 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:29 am, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Lots of people wrote too much to quote. Between reminiscing about eDesk 2.4 and favorite brews, this is becoming another eDesk 2.4 wake. Not that that is a bad thing. How many other distro's of the past command such fond loyalty? I still wonder though how much the excellent mailing list contributed to its success. In my case the ratio was: 10% - Caldera was the first distro that would actually install on my old hardware (K6/II with a SIS video chip). I did not get tremendous support directly from Caldera. 90% - the best mailing list (still is) on the planet. The list solved my ppp problem (Caldera struck out) in short order. eD 2.4 was ok, but I never had a love affair with it. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Net Llama! shocked and awed us all by speaking: No offense, but what's with the critique of answers? I didn't realize that this had do be an essay with well thought out replies. just trying to get to the 'meat-and-potatos' part of it all. hard to make a 'what do we need to accomplish to create a competitor to eD?' list from sentiment. that's all. didn't mean anything by it anyone - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org PROGRAM - n. A magic spell cast over a computer allowing it to turn one's input into error messages. v. tr.- To engage in a pastime similar to banging one's head against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KpPD2MO5UukaubkRAnnfAJ44PyS37euFyM2eUi7V7c6awE2tvACfWVQU qBy3R2FTcRD+aDri3FvlGZ0= =HGcX -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
That's ok. Let's just say that between you and Kurt, I learned a lot of showing respect and being humble, especially on an email list. On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:43:23 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Carpenter wrote: | :) Glad to know we can still joke around. I still remember the first time you and I spoke... it was not necessarily pleasant, in fact I believe Kurt had to step in :) | Great to still be seeing you, mate! Time does odd things. | | On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:08:34 -0600 | Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | |Ooh! A new entry in my local.cf: |score FROM_EISGR_DOT_COM 1000 |blacklist_from [EMAIL PROTECTED] |G | | | I can't remember having an unpleasant conversation, so I guess it wasn't too serious. Of course my memory is about half of what Skippy says his is now. g ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Quoth Matthew Carpenter: That's ok. Let's just say that between you and Kurt, I learned a lot of showing respect and being humble, especially on an email list. Hmm. I think this is a compliment, but I'm not sure. I've certainly been know to enter a fray with a double-barreled flamethrower, but I haven't teed off on anyone in quite a long time. Guess I've gotten all soft and mushy. But, we've definitely had some roasts on this list and its predecessor. Ah, the rEvErBgood old days/ReVeRb. I can't remember having an unpleasant conversation, so I guess it wasn't too serious. Of course my memory is about half of what Skippy says his is now. g ;-) Kurt -- It's so stupid of modern civilization to have given up believing in the Devil when he is the only explanation of it. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Matthew Carpenter: That's ok. Let's just say that between you and Kurt, I learned a lot of showing respect and being humble, especially on an email list. Hmm. I think this is a compliment, but I'm not sure. I've certainly been know to enter a fray with a double-barreled flamethrower, but I haven't teed off on anyone in quite a long time. Guess I've gotten all soft and mushy. But, we've definitely had some roasts on this list and its predecessor. Ah, the rEvErBgood old days/ReVeRb. And sadly, little to no waving of chicken's feet. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Keith Morse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Matthew Carpenter: That's ok. Let's just say that between you and Kurt, I learned a lot of showing respect and being humble, especially on an email list. Hmm. I think this is a compliment, but I'm not sure. I've certainly been know to enter a fray with a double-barreled flamethrower, but I haven't teed off on anyone in quite a long time. Guess I've gotten all soft and mushy. But, we've definitely had some roasts on this list and its predecessor. Ah, the rEvErBgood old days/ReVeRb. And sadly, little to no waving of chicken's feet. Actually, I stopped waving chicken's feet and sacrificing goat parts when I moved up to gentoo grin. Most of the mysteries for which I needed the appropriate incantations are now solved by a world-wide team. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 05:59:10PM -0400, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Matthew Carpenter: That's ok. Let's just say that between you and Kurt, I learned a lot of showing respect and being humble, especially on an email list. Hmm. I think this is a compliment, but I'm not sure. I've certainly been know to enter a fray with a double-barreled flamethrower, but I haven't teed off on anyone in quite a long time. Guess I've gotten all soft and mushy. But, we've definitely had some roasts on this list and its predecessor. Ah, the rEvErBgood old days/ReVeRb. Speaking of roasts, how 'bout the ``I can eat hotter food than you'' contest between Evan, Calamity, et al. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The cry has been that when war is declared, all opposition should therefore be hushed. A sentiment more unworthy of a free country could hardly be propagated. If the doctrine be admitted, rulers have only to declare war and they are screened at once from scrutiny ... In war, then, as in peace, assert the freedom of speech and of the press. Cling to this as the bulwark of all our rights and privileges. -- William Ellery Channing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Quoth Bill Campbell: On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 05:59:10PM -0400, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Matthew Carpenter: That's ok. Let's just say that between you and Kurt, I learned a lot of showing respect and being humble, especially on an email list. Hmm. I think this is a compliment, but I'm not sure. I've certainly been know to enter a fray with a double-barreled flamethrower, but I haven't teed off on anyone in quite a long time. Guess I've gotten all soft and mushy. But, we've definitely had some roasts on this list and its predecessor. Ah, the rEvErBgood old days/ReVeRb. Speaking of roasts, how 'bout the ``I can eat hotter food than you'' contest between Evan, Calamity, et al. I thought they tried to settle that at LinuxWorld. In any event, Evan won (as far as I'm concerned) when he claimed that he used Wasabi as crotch wash... Just thinking about that makes my eyes water. Kurt -- Now this is a totally brain damaged algorithm. Gag me with a smurfette. -- P. Buhr, Computer Science 354 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Actually, Kurt, you were the one loaning me some asbestos undergarments, protecting me from the (so I thought at that time) evil Andrew Mathews... Still, watching you still humbled me. It reminded me of the Mudding days of old, when I was a newbie and some uberMudder allowed me to join him on killing sprees... that same kind of awe. Humility can be taught in many ways... On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:59:10 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm. I think this is a compliment, but I'm not sure. I've certainly been know to enter a fray with a double-barreled flamethrower, but I haven't teed off on anyone in quite a long time. Guess I've gotten all soft and mushy. But, we've definitely had some roasts on this list and its predecessor. Ah, the rEvErBgood old days/ReVeRb. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Development and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
List All have said a lot about ed, but when I was fairly new then I tried 4 or 5 distros, they all had some problem to get them up and going. ED, put in the cd make a few slections in about 45 minutes to an hour you were syrfing the net. No muss, no fuss. Easy to learn, easier to maintain. and with Dougs fix of checkinstall, I think it was Doug, if wrong I 'm sorry, we had another tool to build our programs. My $0.02. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Carpenter wrote: | Actually, Kurt, you were the one loaning me some asbestos undergarments, protecting me from the (so I thought at that time) evil Andrew Mathews... snip I can tell you've been talking to my ex-wives. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 9:01pm up 20 days, 1:20, 9 users, load average: 1.08, 1.05, 1.05 - - HTTPD Error 666 : BOFH was here - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/Kys0idHQ0m/kEssRAnz3AJsFXWOmX06hQl8AY1l6xLq1Bx4EYQCeO1BG daFzqsUpWyZ5AwSFoyBvwZw= =yRGl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? 0) Nearly everything worked out of the box (hardware, software) 1) The packages included were well chosen. There was a little of everything for everyone, and not too much of anything irrelevant 2) It was very stable, and getting addons running was relatively easy 3) Everything was integrated well. It didn't feel like some packages were shoehorned into place, just because. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shawn L Johnston shocked and awed us all by speaking: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:49, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? It was elegant, from installation to end use. whilst I agree, that's not very specific is it? In fact, it's rather objectively non-specific. got any details Shawn? - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org I have plenty of talent and vision, I just don't give a damn. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KWay2MO5UukaubkRAoc1AJ9bu++piEprRLGjfm9i1A3OX3ffoQCdFi4C lp9LRvHz7FVWG3P/IqE30NE= =OBMr -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Net Llama! shocked and awed us all by speaking: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? 0) Nearly everything worked out of the box (hardware, software) nod. much like Knoppix's hardware detection these days. *very* nice 1) The packages included were well chosen. There was a little of everything for everyone, and not too much of anything irrelevant that's subjective Llama (I'm not disagreeing). But how does one define 'well chosen' and 'relevant'? 2) It was very stable, and getting addons running was relatively easy true that. but what distro(s) are unstable these days? and by 'easy' do you mean installing an rpm, or installing from source? 3) Everything was integrated well. It didn't feel like some packages were shoehorned into place, just because. agreed - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KWeF2MO5UukaubkRAsPxAKCc93BPM/edLRh5pOXnpcBVrRVCwwCfT6iB unx2FV0RDXnaB+7qJtRww4c= =n0n9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas J Hunley shocked and awed us all by speaking: whilst I agree, that's not very specific is it? In fact, it's rather objectively non-specific. got any details Shawn? damn! s/objectively/subjectively/ - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Always try to do things in chronological order; it's less confusing that way. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KWei2MO5UukaubkRAt6wAJwPHBeZp7EfXUixVIzSKXeZpZXLwACfWP7k lEJAjya1UhYxvBO4GI7fB7A= =wOSS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
1) The packages included were well chosen. There was a little of everything for everyone, and not too much of anything irrelevant that's subjective Llama (I'm not disagreeing). But how does one define 'well chosen' and 'relevant'? It seemed to me that they picked a set of categories and installed the most straightforward app per category by default. Others might ship on the CD, but there was no '20 text editors' syndrome. Also (in blinding contrast to RH) the menus made sense. 2) It was very stable, and getting addons running was relatively easy true that. but what distro(s) are unstable these days? and by 'easy' do you mean installing an rpm, or installing from source? Either installation from source or binary was pretty easy, of course back then they and RH were on roughly the same library sets, so the major binary incompatibilites were few. Now if only they had added an 'of course I want the devel packages' option it would have been perfect. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
At 01:49 PM 7/31/03 -0400, you wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD snip From my perspective eD was great simply because it worked. It worked each time I installed it, it continued to work, and it, in fact, still works on at least one machine. The installer worked, the combination of executables and libraries and such worked on any piece of hardware I threw at it ... in short, it all worked, all the time. I'm currently using RH9 for production stuff, but have used TurboLinux and SuSE. eD was never bleeding edge and perhaps that is part of the it worked, but I'd rather have it worked any day than it works, but I need to fiddle, or deal with this or that, or muck about with a dependency issue, etc. on a fairly regular basis as I do with RH9. YMMV - Rich Thompson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tina M Berendt wrote: | Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old | Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify | what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? | The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it | hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness | has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on | OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my | 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' | SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do | when talking about eD | | It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current | base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was | about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading | it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right | around the corner). | | So, what *specifically* made eD so great? | I think that at least 50% of it was attributable to the caldera-users mailing list. There were quite a few people there who helped make it what it was, and luckily enough, they made the transition to this list. We may bicker, roll our eyes, scoff or call each other names, but that dynamic is also what makes a list worth listening to. The other 50% was the fact that it was painless as far as supported hardware close to the cutting edge for the time, there were few incompatibility issues with the software, and it began appearing on retail shelves where anyone could pick it up and try it. It didn't cost $129, it started at a reasonable price ($39 was the highest I ever saw) and their support was pretty good. They participated (some employees) in the community and their support group which earned them some points too. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 2:15pm up 110 days, 22:57, 16 users, load average: 1.38, 1.39, 1.40 - - Someone whom you reject today, will reject you tomorrow. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/KXxuejAu2RVHwF4RAsc8AJ4u/4asOd202XtlFcYBuMEZrCM4dQCfXyLK 5Bomjcm7BckeD+rNziG2iKQ= =VJDn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? - It was solid. It worked. It was stable. Gave the impression that some real QA had gone into it. - Webmin and Caldera's extensions to the KDE control center were great. - They focused on 1 GUI and made that one work really well. - Their manual was quite good (for a newbie anyway). - It was not a kitchen sink distro (sensible choices for all apps, not just a shrink wrapped CD dump of FreshMeat/Sourceforge) - Lizard. Still the best installer. Red Hat's Anaconda is only now beginning to approach it (some 3+ years later). - It was reasonably priced. - People like Marcus Meissner (sp?) that participated on the list, and even released packages for users to try. - In that same vein, the release was not frozen in time. Updated packages were released by the company. KDE 2 is the one I remember best. Things that were terrible about eD: - The installer would sometimes just barf and refuse to install without the slightest hint of why. They never did fix that one. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
* Things generally worked. * Install was beautiful and intelligent (found my network settings and installed while I finished supplying config info) * Packages were used AS IS. Any config or comealong tools worked with the original config files (which allowed you to manually edit the conf files and still have the GUI tools work as well :) * Menuing system wasn't dorked around with. * Simple design allowed a full install to come from one CD and give you a great base system which you could then install apps on. * Integration with KDE (KControl integration) * Stable and solid as a rock. * Good package selection didn't give too many options for the same thing, but generally the best one. * Caldera developed the little fine-toothed-comb items like the GUI config which let you configure how KDE treated a CD when it was first inserted. Little pieces that just made the whole thing seem cohesive. Even SuSE, my latest love, can't pull that one off. They still take the Hitler approach: Usen meinen konfigurator toolen und leik it. Things I would have liked to see: * Repository for packages specifically designed for, but not included with, the distro. I like RPM's. I like the cleanliness included. * Installer which did not inform me that it could not install on my system (which it should have) On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:49:11 -0400 Tina M Berendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right around the corner). So, what *specifically* made eD so great? -- Tina ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Speak for yourself, jerk-wad :) On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:30:39 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We may bicker, roll our eyes, scoff or call each other names, but that dynamic is also what makes a list worth listening to. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Thursday 31 July 2003 05:49 pm, Tina M Berendt wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right around the corner). So, what *specifically* made eD so great? Well, I cut my teeth on eD2.4. I found the install very good for a newbie. It's hardware detection was very good. After install, the admin tools(COAS) were the best. Also, the way it used /etc was very straightforward. If you wanted to change something you went to /etc/somewhere/configfile and changed it. The file was usually commented quite well and COAS reflected the changes and didn't change it back to some default. COAS was both ncurses and X Windows based. You could also use webmin and do the same thing that COAS did and they both agreed and worked together quite well. The menus were very easy to understand. One thing I liked was that it shipped with KDE 1.1.2 and when KDE 2.x came out, Caldera provided rpms that worked. Also, you could compile just about any tarball on it and it worked. They used /opt which made sense to me(personal preference). It was very upgradable and customizable. Once W3.1 was released, over a year and a half after eD2.4, most people had upgraded eD2.4 to where W3.1 was or past and saw no need to install W3.1 and start over. I'm not sure if you could take Lycoris and rework the menu, update/include some packages and include COAS(proprietary code?) and it would be what most people would want. I don't know if a LFS(ish) build would be the answer. Here are some things that would be needed: - A Lizard type installer that detected most all hardware(like Knoppix's detection). - You'd have to have good admin tool like COAS. - Straightforward use of /etc for those that liked to edit files by hand. - Changes by hand to config files would be reflected in the admin tool and the admin tool wouldn't overwrite them. - Webmin(for those that didn't like the admin tool or remote configuration) - Menus that made sense(very subjective for each person) - Very good multimedia coverage. It could handle most any multimedia file in or out of the browser. - Includes OpenOffice.org for an office suite - A rpm repository that would be maintained and reflect updated/new software packages as they were released. - The ability to customize and upgrade with tarballs with relative ease as the user deemed needed. - Use of /opt (again my personal preference) - Had at least one and no more than two programs installed for every task needed. Other packages available for user from rpm repository. - It would be stable and up-to-date, but not bleeding edge, to satisfy most users. I'm sure others could add to this list. Those that want to work on such product(I'm not a developer), kudos to them. They should be saving this list and other such e-mails to refer to while developing the distro. I've since moved to mandrake and like it, but again no 'warm fuzzies'. It's admin tools are decent, but it's menus can be confusing. Also, msec can change somethings back that you don't want it to change. One thing that irks me is that they don't have a KDE package maintainer. When KDE has a new release, you have to rely on texstar or somebody else to package KDE for you or you can try to compile it yourself. This can lead to a unusable desktop if you break too many things. Also, mandrake doesn't use /opt (my preference again). Sometimes I wonder if the 'warm fuzzies' from eD2.4 are just nostalgia, kinda like that car you had, or that favorite chair, or is it genuine admiration for a product well done. I think since I'm not the only one, it's the latter. Jim -- 3:01pm up 16 days, 1:34, 3 users, load average: 0.08, 0.05, 0.07 Running Mandrake 9.0 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:40 am, Shawn L Johnston wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:49, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? It was elegant, from installation to end use. Shawn Yes, that describes it souciently. Plus maintenance was so easy it did not matter, rpm or tarball it went up and worked. The lousy rpm dependency issue I have these days was not around or very minor. In fact one could abuse thesystem and get away with it within reason. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Lots of people wrote too much to quote. Between reminiscing about eDesk 2.4 and favorite brews, this is becoming another eDesk 2.4 wake. Not that that is a bad thing. How many other distro's of the past command such fond loyalty? I still keep eDesk 2.4 on an old P 233 box. It is a word processing station. I installed WordPerfect Office 2000/linux on it and it runs flawlessly. Performance is quite satisfactory, since KDE 1.1 imposes so little system overhead. My only gripe is that I could never get a Netscape 4.7x upgrade to work on it. My eDesk 2.4 system will be doing my correspondence for me indefinitely. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.8 Debian System LI ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Thursday 31 July 2003 01:49 pm, Tina M Berendt wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. --snip-- - It cleanly installed on just about everything I tried. Yes, I had a few bad installs, but nothing like the other distros of the time. - It shipped with a perfect mix of applications - It all worked. PERIOD. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 5:42pm up 21 days, 3:40, 4 users, load average: 1.08, 1.24, 1.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
No offense, but what's with the critique of answers? I didn't realize that this had do be an essay with well thought out replies. On 07/31/03 12:01, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Net Llama! shocked and awed us all by speaking: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? 0) Nearly everything worked out of the box (hardware, software) nod. much like Knoppix's hardware detection these days. *very* nice 1) The packages included were well chosen. There was a little of everything for everyone, and not too much of anything irrelevant that's subjective Llama (I'm not disagreeing). But how does one define 'well chosen' and 'relevant'? 2) It was very stable, and getting addons running was relatively easy true that. but what distro(s) are unstable these days? and by 'easy' do you mean installing an rpm, or installing from source? 3) Everything was integrated well. It didn't feel like some packages were shoehorned into place, just because. agreed -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 4:10pm up 16 days, 18:53, 1 user, load average: 0.26, 0.24, 0.11 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Quoth James Conner: On Thursday 31 July 2003 05:49 pm, Tina M Berendt wrote: [clip] So, what *specifically* made eD so great? [snip] Sometimes I wonder if the 'warm fuzzies' from eD2.4 are just nostalgia, kinda like that car you had, or that favorite chair, or is it genuine admiration for a product well done. I think since I'm not the only one, it's the latter. A product well done. Kurt -- Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. -- W. C. Fields ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Tina M Berendt wrote: snip So, what *specifically* made eD so great? I'm not linux learned. I got POed at M$ and not knowing much stumbled upon Indiot's Guide to Linux and started with 1.3. I migrated to 2.2, 2.3 and finally to eD2.4. Everything worked on my box. When it didn't I called and got a straight answer. Then I became aware of the List. Almost all of what I know came from that list (pretty much the same core bunch that is this list) and this list. All of the releases of Caldera worked out of the box for every thing I needed and EXPECTED. I never had a You have performed an illegal operation and at the time that was about all I was interested in. I've tried Mandrake 8.2 and my CDrom/Burner freezes up the whole system (oops, I had to get the sxs steps to make the burner work on Caldera). I Am using RH7.3 now. I tried 8.0, but get the same problem with the CDROM. Caldera was comfortable, easy to use, easy to make something work and seemed to like me. Maybe that's what is important? Bob ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Carpenter wrote: | Speak for yourself, jerk-wad :) | | On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:30:39 -0600 | Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | |We may bicker, roll our |eyes, scoff or call each other names, but that dynamic is also what makes a |list worth listening to. | | Ooh! A new entry in my local.cf: score FROM_EISGR_DOT_COM 1000 blacklist_from [EMAIL PROTECTED] G - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 7:04pm up 18 days, 23:28, 9 users, load average: 1.07, 1.14, 1.14 - - Among the lucky, you are the chosen one. - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/Kb2SidHQ0m/kEssRAgtQAJ97vNU0mwOBzI/H1L73ckHSwvTIRQCfUHGD D4CIi5kxK3s1mBIcSR0kJcg= =uOhz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Quoth Tina M Berendt: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD I've never had the warm fuzzy for any distro the way I had it for eDesktop 2.3 and, even more, eDesktop 2.4 - 'course, maybe because I helped build 2.4, I'm biased. I liked OpenLinux 1.3, too. Vis-a-vis eDesktop 2.4, though, a lot of time and effort went into to making it, in large part because we (at what was then Caldera) knew we had to offer a compelling alternative to Red Hat, which, even in 1999 and 2000, had already captured considerable mind share. That extra polish showed. These days, the extra effort that went into eDesktop 2.4 isn't necessary because there is no real competitor on the desktop to Red Hat. Red Hat have won the branding wars (in the U.S., anyway), so they no longer are trying quite as hard to produce a polished, seamless, trouble-free product. Why should they, when there's no one left with whom to compete for desktop space and mind share? It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right around the corner). So, what *specifically* made eD so great? - The installation worked 95% of the time (the other 5%, though, bag it) - A terrific set of applications - Almost everything worked; almost everything worked together - Solidly engineered -- some might say solidly _over_-engineered - Good tradeoffs between features and stability, with a tendency to prefer stability to features - Reasonably attractive - *Great* mailing list - Pretty decent company behind it - Self-hosted build system - the binaries shipped were built from the sources shipped - No library conflicts Kurt -- Who's on first? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:05:05 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:40 am, Shawn L Johnston wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:49, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? It was elegant, from installation to end use. Shawn Yes, that describes it souciently. Plus maintenance was so easy it did not matter, rpm or tarball it went up and worked. The lousy rpm dependency issue I have these days was not around or very minor. In fact one could abuse thesystem and get away with it within reason. AND.., a superlative user mail list; many are now here, but also Les, Mike Andrews and others. Mike -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:29 am, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Lots of people wrote too much to quote. Between reminiscing about eDesk 2.4 and favorite brews, this is becoming another eDesk 2.4 wake. Not that that is a bad thing. How many other distro's of the past command such fond loyalty? I still wonder though how much the excellent mailing list contributed to its success. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Keith Antoine wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:29 am, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: > Lots of people wrote too much to quote. > > Between reminiscing about eDesk 2.4 and favorite brews, this is becoming > another eDesk 2.4 wake. > Not that that is a bad thing. How many other distro's of the past > command such fond loyalty? I still wonder though how much the excellent mailing list contributed to its success. I'd say significantly. If you like statistics, the contribution was 50%. Of course, the engineers and programmers contributed the other 50% What good is a superbly engineered product nobody likes? Like the "anatomically perfect" car seats Daimler Benz used to make. The users were happy and enthusiastic and wanted to wring the maximum performance out of eDesk 2.4. I remember when Erik Ratcliffe and Marcus Meissner were active list members. I would like to think that they participated because of the professional pride they had in their "baby" and enjoyed talking to the people who used, and appreciated, their work. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.8 Debian System LI ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
:) Glad to know we can still joke around. I still remember the first time you and I spoke... it was not necessarily pleasant, in fact I believe Kurt had to step in :) Great to still be seeing you, mate! Time does odd things. On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:08:34 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooh! A new entry in my local.cf: score FROM_EISGR_DOT_COM 1000 blacklist_from [EMAIL PROTECTED] G -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Development and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
