Re: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-10 Thread Einar Stefferud
What you don't understand is that I do not have the technical understanding at the detailed level that is required to get it all right, but my mail forwarder at ics.uci.edu is upportive and only puts in the NMA.COM zone file what I agree to have put there. He controls the passward, but does not

RE: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-10 Thread John B. Reynolds
Michael Sondow wrote: It's not delegated to the tech contact. It's arrogated by the tech contact. There's a big, big difference. The only ISP who lets the client have control over the zone file is pgmedia, where the client is not only the admin and billing contacts but also the tech

Re: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-09 Thread Michael Sondow
Einar Stefferud a écrit: And, for Michael's information, the fact that he has contractred with an ISP to do everythig for his DNS Zone, and not let him have password control of it is his decision and not a feature of the DNS! In my own case, I cvontrol all aspects of the content of my

Re: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
In message 001401be52fb$9ddc9320$010a@jbr, "John B. Reynolds" writes: Michael Sondow wrote: Einar Stefferud a écrit: I agree with this concern, and I suggest that the initial membership be defined in some other more well defined way. One suggestion that makes sense to me is

Re: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread Einar Stefferud
All of them! (see Eberhard's question below;-)... I also agree that the initial members of the startup DNSO should be the Zone Administrators and not the Technical Contacts! And, for Michael's information, the fact that he has contractred with an ISP to do everythig for his DNS Zone, and not

Re: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread Roeland M.J. Meyer
At 09:49 PM 2/7/99 -0500, Michael Sondow wrote: John B. Reynolds a écrit: Every domain name holder directly or indirectly administers a DNS zone file. Are you sure you're not confusing "DNS zone" with "root zone"? No, the domain holders don't administer zone files. That's done by the ISPs

Re: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Michael, John is right. In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Sondow writes: John B. Reynolds a =E9crit: You administer your zone indirectly by controlling which ISP runs it directly. Administer the zone indirectly? What are you talking about? Is this a game of semantics to you?

Re: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Roeland M.J. Meyer" wri tes: At 09:49 PM 2/7/99 -0500, Michael Sondow wrote: John B. Reynolds a écrit: Every domain name holder directly or indirectly administers a DNS zone file. Are you sure you're not confusing "DNS zone" with "root zone"? No, the

RE: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread John B. Reynolds
You contact with an ISP to create and maintain a zone file on your behalf. If you don't like what they do with it, you can move to another ISP or make other arrangements. Ultimate control remains vested in you. I don't see how I could make this any more clear than I already have. Oops,

Re: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread Bret A. Fausett
Kent Crispin wrote: Running the hearing slows down the process, intrinsically. A hearing takes time that would have been spent doing other things. As long as I am guaranteed a "fair hearing" at will, I can slow down the process. If a hearing catches and corrects a problem before the process

RE: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread Bret A. Fausett
John B. Reynolds wrote: 5.11 Further Review of Changes Whenever a proposal has been changed as a result of the preceding processes, any changes resulting from such processes shall be republished on the DNSO website and subject to review under the prior provisions of this section. My

RE: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread David Schutt
Translation: Expediency is more important than fairness David Schutt Running the hearing slows down the process, intrinsically. A hearing takes time that would have been spent doing other things. As long as I am guaranteed a "fair hearing" at will, I can slow down the process. Put it

RE: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread David Schutt
Not a good example, my browser timed out. There are lots of experimental and/or educational systems out there, I'm more interested in commercial services that can take a spike without gasping. David Schutt Linux and BIND are both free software. The real sticking point is the requisite

Re: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread Alex Kamantauskas
On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote: At 09:49 PM 2/7/99 -0500, Michael Sondow wrote: John B. Reynolds a écrit: Every domain name holder directly or indirectly administers a DNS zone file. Are you sure you're not confusing "DNS zone" with "root zone"? No, the domain holders

Re: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread Kent Crispin
On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 12:16:50PM -0500, Jay Fenello wrote: At 2/8/99, 11:48 AM, Kent Crispin wrote: I am not talking about there being just *one* hearing. As soon as the first FH concludes, the second one will be requested, and then after that the third, and so on. As far as I can see,

Re: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Sondow writes: The average client of an ISP, that is, the average domain name holder, cannot tell the ISP what to put into their zone file. I've had trouble with every single one of the five ISPs I've used because of this, and I've heard the same stories

Re: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-08 Thread Michael Sondow
Roeland M.J. Meyer a écrit: There is some argument that one can use a Windows machine for primary DNS. I'm a typical end-user. I have a laptop running Windows95. There are configuration pop-ups for TCP/IP and DNS confirguration. But I've never seen a book anywhere, and I've been looking for

Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-07 Thread Einar Stefferud
Good constructive and useful criticism as I read it;-)... From your message Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:42:42 -0600: } }William X. Walsh wrote: } } I call for a vote of participants on this list for which draft } they support. } } It is time to vocalize your support, and clearly indicate who you }

RE: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-07 Thread John B. Reynolds
I would have to see the specific wording, but my initial reaction is that the changes you suggest would largely answer my concerns (although I would still prefer explicitly defined initial constituencies), along with a revision to Section 5.9 similar to that suggested by AIP and NSI. I am not

RE: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-07 Thread John B. Reynolds
Michael Sondow wrote: Einar Stefferud a écrit: I agree with this concern, and I suggest that the initial membership be defined in some other more well defined way. One suggestion that makes sense to me is "Anyone with a DNS Zone file to administer" to be used to elect an INITIAL Names

Re: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-07 Thread Michael Sondow
John B. Reynolds a écrit: How would this give control to ORSC? Alright, perhaps my reaction was slightly exaggerated. Let's just say it's strictly in their interest, to the direct detriment of other interests, my own for example. Every domain name holder directly or indirectly administers

RE: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-07 Thread John B. Reynolds
Michael Sondow wrote: John B. Reynolds a écrit: Every domain name holder directly or indirectly administers a DNS zone file. Are you sure you're not confusing "DNS zone" with "root zone"? No, the domain holders don't administer zone files. That's done by the ISPs and the layers

Re: Useful Comments Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

1999-02-07 Thread Michael Sondow
John B. Reynolds a écrit: You administer your zone indirectly by controlling which ISP runs it directly. Administer the zone indirectly? What are you talking about? Is this a game of semantics to you? It's a file. How do I change it's contents when it's on a server in the house or office of