Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-22 Thread Dimitri Alexandris
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 01:39, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote: Hmm,  No, close, but not really correct. *all* flash will eventually fail if you write to it enough.  It's physics. I do not disagree of course. Fine with theory. SLC NAND flash is typically rated at about 100k cycles,

Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-22 Thread Seth Mos
On 21-3-2012 18:08, Adam Piasecki wrote: What hard drive is recommended for pfSense. Or can someone tell me what your running. Any ide or sata drive should do. If you really want a SSD drive I recommend the Intel 320 series SSD drives. These have a capacitor inside which means it will survive

Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-22 Thread Seth Mos
On 21-3-2012 18:40, Jeppe Øland wrote: I deployed about a dozen Kingston 64G SSDs about a year and a half ago (in laptops and desktops) and I've seen about a quarter of them fail with different symptoms in each case. Garbage Totally agree. I have gone through 2 Kingston 4GB industrial SSDs

Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-22 Thread Jim Thompson
On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:08, Dimitri Alexandris d.alexand...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 01:39, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote: Hmm, No, close, but not really correct. *all* flash will eventually fail if you write to it enough. It's physics. I do not disagree of

Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-22 Thread Adam Piasecki
On 3/22/2012 9:52 AM, Jim Thompson wrote: Yes, and I discussed this, but better than this is wear-leveling, which works to avoid the issue, rather than reacting to failure. Combine this with some of the advanced error correction, and you can greatly extend the lifetime of (especially

Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-22 Thread Mike McLaughlin
For everyone, real world write tests (with synthetic writes), notice most drives able to write hundreds of TiB some approaching a PiB -- http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm Adam - If you partition free space (under provision) the modern

Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-22 Thread David Burgess
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Adam Piasecki apiase...@midatlanticbb.com wrote: 1) Windows has TRIM support for ware-leveling. Does FreeBSD include this? I can't speak to FreeBSD, but pfsense does not as of 2.0 2) If 8.1 does not support ware-leveling, would it be recommend that we not

Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-22 Thread Jim Thompson
On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Adam Piasecki wrote: On 3/22/2012 9:52 AM, Jim Thompson wrote: Yes, and I discussed this, but better than this is wear-leveling, which works to avoid the issue, rather than reacting to failure. Combine this with some of the advanced error correction, and you

Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-21 Thread David Burgess
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Adam Piasecki apiase...@midatlanticbb.com wrote: What hard drive is recommended for pfSense. Or can someone tell me what your running. I use a Lexar Professional 2G and 4G compact flash with the embedded version in a couple of pfsenses. I deployed about a

Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-21 Thread Jeppe Øland
I deployed about a dozen Kingston 64G SSDs about a year and a half ago  (in laptops and desktops) and I've seen about a quarter of them fail with different symptoms in each case. Garbage Totally agree. I have gone through 2 Kingston 4GB industrial SSDs so far - and it didn't take long either.

Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-21 Thread Ulrik Lunddahl
vegne af Jeppe Øland Sendt: 21. marts 2012 18:40 Til: pfSense support and discussion Emne: Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive? I deployed about a dozen Kingston 64G SSDs about a year and a half ago   (in laptops and desktops) and I've seen about a quarter of them fail with different

Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-21 Thread Chris Buechler
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Adam Piasecki apiase...@midatlanticbb.com wrote: I'm getting the following error when logging into the box. It's at the top of the page when presented with the username and password prompt. You can not go past the login page.  pretty sure it's due to faulty hard

Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-21 Thread Jeppe Øland
I'm getting the following error when logging into the box. It's at the top of the page when presented with the username and password prompt. You can not go past the login page.  pretty sure it's due to faulty hard drives. Indeed it is. We discussed this with the vendor you got them from at

Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-21 Thread Chris Buechler
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Jeppe Øland jol...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting the following error when logging into the box. It's at the top of the page when presented with the username and password prompt. You can not go past the login page.  pretty sure it's due to faulty hard drives.

Re: [pfSense] pfSense error, maybe hard drive?

2012-03-21 Thread Dimitri Alexandris
Normal commercial flash will eventually fail. It's not designed for this purpose. We use only industrial products which include error correction blocks and mechanism (transparent to the system), like: